On Monday, 5 December 2022 at 14:48:33 UTC, cc wrote:
On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 09:53:41 UTC, vushu wrote:
[...]
If your program runs, does some stuff, and terminates, use the
GC.
If your program runs, stays up for a while with user
occasionally interacting with it, use the GC.
If your
On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 17:47:38 UTC, ryuukk_ wrote:
On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 09:53:41 UTC, vushu wrote:
[...]
D gives you the choice
But the most important thing is your usecase, what kind of
library are you making?
Once you answer this question, you can then ask what your
On Monday, 5 December 2022 at 10:53:33 UTC, Guillaume Piolat
wrote:
On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 21:55:52 UTC, Siarhei Siamashka
wrote:
Is it possible to filter packages in this list by @nogc or
@safe compatibility?
You can list DUB packages for "@nogc usage"
On Monday, 5 December 2022 at 10:48:59 UTC, Guillaume Piolat
wrote:
There are legitimate uses cases when you can't afford the
runtime machinery (attach/detach every incoming thread in a
shared library), more than not being able to afford the GC from
a performance point of view.
[...]
On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 23:25:34 UTC, Adam D Ruppe wrote:
On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 22:46:52 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:
That's way beyond my pay grade. Explain please. :)
The reason that the GC stops threads right now is to ensure
that something doesn't change in the middle of its
On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 09:53:41 UTC, vushu wrote:
What are your thoughts about using GC as a library writer?
If your program runs, does some stuff, and terminates, use the GC.
If your program runs, stays up for a while with user occasionally
interacting with it, use the GC.
If your
On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 21:55:52 UTC, Siarhei Siamashka
wrote:
Is it possible to filter packages in this list by @nogc or
@safe compatibility?
You can list DUB packages for "@nogc usage"
https://code.dlang.org/?sort=score=20=library.nogc
There are legitimate uses cases when you can't afford the runtime
machinery (attach/detach every incoming thread in a shared
library), more than not being able to afford the GC from a
performance point of view.
GC gives you higher productivity and better performance with the
time gained.
On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 23:37:39 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:
On 12/4/22 15:25, Adam D Ruppe wrote:
> which would trigger the write barrier. The thread isn't
> allowed to complete this operation until the GC is done.
According to my limited understanding of write barriers, the
thread moving
On 12/4/22 15:25, Adam D Ruppe wrote:
> which would trigger the write barrier. The thread isn't
> allowed to complete this operation until the GC is done.
According to my limited understanding of write barriers, the thread
moving to 800 could continue because order of memory operations may
On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 22:46:52 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:
That's way beyond my pay grade. Explain please. :)
The reason that the GC stops threads right now is to ensure that
something doesn't change in the middle of its analysis.
Consider for example, the GC scans address 0 - 1000 and
ALl it means is certain memory patterns (such as writes), will tell the
GC about it.
Its required for pretty much all advanced GC designs, as a result we are
pretty much maxing out what we can do.
Worth reading:
On 12/4/22 12:17, Adam D Ruppe wrote:
On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 17:53:00 UTC, Adam D Ruppe wrote:
Interesting... you know, maybe D's GC should formally expose a mutex
that you can synchronize on for when it is running.
.. or compile in write barriers. then it doesn't matter if the
On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 21:55:52 UTC, Siarhei Siamashka
wrote:
Do you mean the top of the
https://code.dlang.org/?sort=score=library list?
Well, I was referring to the five that appear on the homepage,
which shows silly instead of emsi containers.
How do you know that they embrace
On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 12:37:08 UTC, Adam D Ruppe wrote:
All of the top 5 most popular libraries on code.dlang.org
embrace the GC.
Do you mean the top of the
https://code.dlang.org/?sort=score=library list?
How do you know that they embrace GC? Is it possible to filter
packages in
On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 17:53:00 UTC, Adam D Ruppe wrote:
Interesting... you know, maybe D's GC should formally expose a
mutex that you can synchronize on for when it is running.
.. or compile in write barriers. then it doesn't matter
if the thread is unregistered, the write
On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 16:02:28 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:
D's GC needed to stop the world, which meant it would have to
know what threads were running. You can never be sure whether
your D library function is being called from a thread you've
known or whether the Java runtime (or other
On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 09:53:41 UTC, vushu wrote:
Dear dlang community.
I am unsure about what idiomatic D is.
Some of the Dconf talks tells people just to use the GC, until
you can't afford
it.
If there are documents that describes what idiomatic D is then
I would appreciate it.
On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 15:57:26 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:
On 12/4/22 05:58, vushu wrote:
> I was worried if my library should be GC free
May I humbly recommend you question where that thinking comes
from?
Ali
P.S. I used to be certain that the idea of GC was wrong and the
creators of
On 12/4/22 06:27, Sergey wrote:
> if it will be possible to write
> library in D and use it from
> C/++/Python/R/JVM(JNI)/Erlang(NIF)/nameYourChoice smoothly it will be a
> win.
Years ago we tried to call D from Java. I realized that it was very
tricky to introduce the calling thread to D's
On 12/4/22 05:58, vushu wrote:
> I was worried if my library should be GC free
May I humbly recommend you question where that thinking comes from?
Ali
P.S. I used to be certain that the idea of GC was wrong and the creators
of runtimes with GC were simpletons. In contrast, people like me,
On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 12:37:08 UTC, Adam D Ruppe wrote:
All of the top 5 most popular libraries on code.dlang.org
embrace the GC.
Interesting. It seems that most of the community suppose that
“library” should be used from D :-)
But in my opinion - “foreign library experience” is much
On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 13:03:07 UTC, Hipreme wrote:
On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 09:53:41 UTC, vushu wrote:
Dear dlang community.
I am unsure about what idiomatic D is.
Some of the Dconf talks tells people just to use the GC, until
you can't afford
it.
If there are documents that
On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 12:37:08 UTC, Adam D Ruppe wrote:
On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 09:53:41 UTC, vushu wrote:
What are your thoughts about using GC as a library writer?
Do it. It is lots of gain for very little loss.
If you wan't to include a library into your project aren't you
On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 09:53:41 UTC, vushu wrote:
Dear dlang community.
I am unsure about what idiomatic D is.
Idiomatic D code produces the correct result, it's readable, and
it's easy for others to use.
Some of the Dconf talks tells people just to use the GC, until
you can't
On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 09:53:41 UTC, vushu wrote:
Dear dlang community.
I am unsure about what idiomatic D is.
Some of the Dconf talks tells people just to use the GC, until
you can't afford
it.
If there are documents that describes what idiomatic D is then
I would appreciate it.
On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 09:53:41 UTC, vushu wrote:
What are your thoughts about using GC as a library writer?
Do it. It is lots of gain for very little loss.
If you wan't to include a library into your project aren't you
more inclined to use a library which is gc free?
No, GC free
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