Re: need article: How is working D-GC?

2019-06-11 Thread rikki cattermole via Digitalmars-d-learn

On 12/06/2019 11:40 AM, Rémy Mouëza wrote:
If I recall correctly, there is (or was) also a precise GC in the work, 
but I currently don't have any links to it.


Its already in.

Its a modification on the conservative GC to make it more efficient.

https://github.com/dlang/druntime/blob/master/src/core/gc/config.d#L19
https://github.com/dlang/druntime/blob/master/src/gc/impl/conservative/gc.d#L116


Re: need article: How is working D-GC?

2019-06-11 Thread Rémy Mouëza via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Tuesday, 11 June 2019 at 18:20:59 UTC, KnightMare wrote:

please write some explanation about subj.
- what exactly it scans?
- why it scan data-segment?
https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15723
https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19947
precise GC doesn't help with issues.
- maybe add new type like gcpointer or something (making word 
"pointer" as keyword is not good idea) that must be scanned 
100%. some mix of uint/ulong and void* with arithmetic support 
+=N -=N for bytes offset without any cast. not for @safe.
- maybe to make precise gc as option for compiler (not runtime) 
that will scans only pointer vars, gcpointer and other roots, 
not the all data segment (no longs, no doubles[5], no 
long/double fields in structs etc)?
at runtime GC has no info about data-segment so its pessimistic 
and scans all of it (probably. need clarifying article).
if make it compile option than compiler/linker can say exactly 
what should be scanned and what shouldn't.
- when I transfer some gcptr to C or another library its only 
my responsibility to invoke GC.addRoot/addRange or some 
.holdThisData in case addRoot/addRange has another mean.


the point is "dont scan everything, scan what user/compiler 
point to u".
GC is dangerous for now, it should be fixed, nobody will work 
with such GC at critical/24/7 systems. imo pessimistic gc 
should be removed at all.

in case GC won't be fixed tell us, it will be fair.


Mike Parker has written a series of articles explaining the D GC: 
https://dlang.org/blog/the-gc-series/


It talks about:
- its basic operations,
- how to measure its usage and profile a D program for 
allocations,
- various strategies to manage memory like the stack and C's 
malloc/free functions.


At D Conf 2019, Walter Bright made his keynote presentation about 
memory allocation strategies, going beyond the GC:

- video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PB6Hdi4R7M
- slides: https://dconf.org/2019/talks/bright.pdf

If I recall correctly, there is (or was) also a precise GC in the 
work, but I currently don't have any links to it.





need article: How is working D-GC?

2019-06-11 Thread KnightMare via Digitalmars-d-learn

please write some explanation about subj.
- what exactly it scans?
- why it scan data-segment?
https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15723
https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19947
precise GC doesn't help with issues.
- maybe add new type like gcpointer or something (making word 
"pointer" as keyword is not good idea) that must be scanned 100%. 
some mix of uint/ulong and void* with arithmetic support +=N -=N 
for bytes offset without any cast. not for @safe.
- maybe to make precise gc as option for compiler (not runtime) 
that will scans only pointer vars, gcpointer and other roots, not 
the all data segment (no longs, no doubles[5], no long/double 
fields in structs etc)?
at runtime GC has no info about data-segment so its pessimistic 
and scans all of it (probably. need clarifying article).
if make it compile option than compiler/linker can say exactly 
what should be scanned and what shouldn't.
- when I transfer some gcptr to C or another library its only my 
responsibility to invoke GC.addRoot/addRange or some 
.holdThisData in case addRoot/addRange has another mean.


the point is "dont scan everything, scan what user/compiler point 
to u".
GC is dangerous for now, it should be fixed, nobody will work 
with such GC at critical/24/7 systems. imo pessimistic gc should 
be removed at all.

in case GC won't be fixed tell us, it will be fair.