Re: DFL is the best UIcontrols for D,compare it to dwt, tkd,dtk,dlangui,anchovy......
On Tuesday, 13 May 2014 at 23:26:20 UTC, ed wrote: On Tuesday, 13 May 2014 at 15:20:36 UTC, FrankLike wrote: DFL is just a thin wrapper around Win32, no surprise. I've found my apps written using DFL work quite fine in Linux via Wine, so I use them from both OSes. In Linux?The exe was compiled in win32? Don't play jokes on it. He's not joking, it is via wine. As for the DFL/DWT,GTK-d,TKd comparison you need to compare apples with apples. If you can improve DFL widgets so they: 1. support linux, windows, mac 2. support the same features as the more complex GUI widgets With the constraint that: 3. DFL uses less LOC and reduces code complexity comapred to GTK-d and DWT Then the comparison between DFL and other GUI libraries would be interesting. Cheers, ed Don't you want to look for the DFL's author Christopher E. Miller? 'DFL is Copyright (C) 2004-2010 Christopher E. Miller'
Re: DFL is the best UIcontrols for D,compare it to dwt, tkd,dtk,dlangui,anchovy......
well you are wrong. but it turns stomach to waste a lot of time searching in a huge collection of projects that were started and not finished. those are still advertised in a wiki. nobody wants a collection of incomplete shambles - its unfortunatly a huge turn off. one does pay a price for complex thing - sure - no problem. but do they work not just for x32, are they complete ... D/phobos is regrettably still a tinkertoy collection for people that have plenty of time. i mean no offence, i am just disapointed of the overall usability of it all. On Tuesday, 13 May 2014 at 21:23:04 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote: On Tuesday, 13 May 2014 at 20:42:11 UTC, jack death wrote: It would be cool if somebody will handle developing of DFL. It's better to have one such toolkit, than tons of complex and not finished toolkits. Tkd is finished. Gtk-D is finished. You aren't going to get very far unless you actually learn to use your tools, complex or not. Tkd is about as simple as it gets for GUI programming. Tkd-D is more complex but that's the price you pay for needing to create something more complex. isn't that the truth. as much as i like D, i find it unusable for me, since i do not have a ui-/db-toolkit. i want to use the language, not invent everything every step or fight for it. You've obviously never looked. https://github.com/gtkd-developers/GtkD https://github.com/nomad-software/tkd https://github.com/rejectedsoftware/mysql-native http://dlang.org/phobos/etc_c_sqlite3.html https://github.com/adilbaig/Tiny-Redis http://www.wikiservice.at/d/wiki.cgi?DatabaseBindings
Re: DFL is the best UIcontrols for D,compare it to dwt, tkd,dtk,dlangui,anchovy......
Although DFL not use on Linux or Mac os X,it's easy to do for high level Software Engineer. Well, go ahead and do it!
Re: DFL is the best UIcontrols for D,compare it to dwt, tkd,dtk,dlangui,anchovy......
On Wednesday, 14 May 2014 at 10:05:25 UTC, Dejan Lekic wrote: Although DFL not use on Linux or Mac os X,it's easy to do for high level Software Engineer. Well, go ahead and do it! Don't you want to look for the DFL's author Christopher E. Miller? 'DFL is Copyright (C) 2004-2010 Christopher E. Miller
Re: DFL is the best UIcontrols for D,compare it to dwt, tkd,dtk,dlangui,anchovy......
On Wednesday, 14 May 2014 at 06:14:16 UTC, FrankLike wrote: On Tuesday, 13 May 2014 at 23:26:20 UTC, ed wrote: On Tuesday, 13 May 2014 at 15:20:36 UTC, FrankLike wrote: DFL is just a thin wrapper around Win32, no surprise. I've found my apps written using DFL work quite fine in Linux via Wine, so I use them from both OSes. In Linux?The exe was compiled in win32? Don't play jokes on it. He's not joking, it is via wine. As for the DFL/DWT,GTK-d,TKd comparison you need to compare apples with apples. If you can improve DFL widgets so they: 1. support linux, windows, mac 2. support the same features as the more complex GUI widgets With the constraint that: 3. DFL uses less LOC and reduces code complexity comapred to GTK-d and DWT Then the comparison between DFL and other GUI libraries would be interesting. Cheers, ed Don't you want to look for the DFL's author Christopher E. Miller? 'DFL is Copyright (C) 2004-2010 Christopher E. Miller' Not particularly as I am not that interested in DFL. But you can work on DFL without the author, i.e. make improvements, port to Linux or whatever you wish. http://dsource.org/projects/dfl/browser/trunk/win32/dfl/license.txt The DFL library is under a 3-choice license, pick one that suits you: LGPL, ZLIB, DFL license. Then go code :) Cheers, ed
Re: DFL is the best UIcontrols for D, compare it to dwt, tkd, dtk, dlangui, anchovy......
On 13/05/14 02:10, FrankLike wrote: 1.DFL's Memory Usage is the least than other. winsamp.exe is 2.1M,DFL's example's exe is 2.7M. 2.The size of DFL's example's exe files is the least than other, and only a single file. 3.DFL's source code is the most easy to understand. Although DFL not use on Linux or Mac os X,it's easy to do for high level Software Engineer. Now D need a simple ,quickly,easy to study UI Controls for D to develop. I would think it would get more complicated if it got support for other platforms. Also, without having looked at its features, I'm guessing it's not as comprehensive as DWT, Gtk or Qt. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Re: DFL is the best UIcontrols for D,compare it to dwt, tkd,dtk,dlangui,anchovy......
On Tuesday, 13 May 2014 at 06:24:27 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 13/05/14 02:10, FrankLike wrote: 1.DFL's Memory Usage is the least than other. winsamp.exe is 2.1M,DFL's example's exe is 2.7M. 2.The size of DFL's example's exe files is the least than other, and only a single file. 3.DFL's source code is the most easy to understand. Although DFL not use on Linux or Mac os X,it's easy to do for high level Software Engineer. Now D need a simple ,quickly,easy to study UI Controls for D to develop. I would think it would get more complicated if it got support for other platforms. Also, without having looked at its features, I'm guessing it's not as comprehensive as DWT, Gtk or Qt. Thank you. DWT AND DFL ,their Memory Usage is the least . but DWT is more complicated than DFL. Look at the base control :Button at DFL :only 270 lines , but at DWT: need 1400 lines. Thank you again.
Re: DFL is the best UIcontrols for D, compare it to dwt, tkd, dtk, dlangui, anchovy......
On 13/05/14 08:44, FrankLike wrote: Thank you. DWT AND DFL ,their Memory Usage is the least . but DWT is more complicated than DFL. Look at the base control :Button at DFL :only 270 lines , but at DWT: need 1400 lines. Thank you again. The question is what the buttons in each library is capable to do. I know that at least in DWT, many widgets contain quite a lot of code to customize them, to make them behave similarly on all platforms. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Re: DFL is the best UIcontrols for D,compare it to dwt, tkd,dtk,dlangui,anchovy......
On Tuesday, 13 May 2014 at 09:32:43 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
On 13/05/14 08:44, FrankLike wrote:
Thank you.
DWT AND DFL ,their Memory Usage is the least .
but DWT is more complicated than DFL.
Look at the base control :Button
at DFL :only 270 lines ,
but at DWT: need 1400 lines.
Thank you again.
The question is what the buttons in each library is capable to
do. I know that at least in DWT, many widgets contain quite a
lot of code to customize them, to make them behave similarly on
all platforms.
Thank you.
Look at the Button class in DWT.
In Linux ,button class need 844 lines,but in win32 ,button class
need 1300 lines.
Look at the setText Method in button class.
There is a great difference between in Linux and in Win32.
public void setText (String string) {}
But if the same thing in DFL, the codes will be less. Because in
Win32 ,DFL only need 270~280 lines for button class.
Thank you again.
Re: DFL is the best UIcontrols for D,compare it to dwt, tkd,dtk,dlangui,anchovy......
On Tuesday, 13 May 2014 at 00:10:15 UTC, FrankLike wrote: 1.DFL's Memory Usage is the least than other. winsamp.exe is 2.1M,DFL's example's exe is 2.7M. 2.The size of DFL's example's exe files is the least than other, and only a single file. 3.DFL's source code is the most easy to understand. DFL is just a thin wrapper around Win32, no surprise. I've found my apps written using DFL work quite fine in Linux via Wine, so I use them from both OSes.
Re: DFL is the best UIcontrols for D,compare it to dwt, tkd,dtk,dlangui,anchovy......
DFL is really cool. Not all programmers need complex toolkits. A lot of need easy to learning toolkits for medium projects. It would be cool if somebody will handle developing of DFL. It's better to have one such toolkit, than tons of complex and not finished toolkits.
Re: DFL is the best UIcontrols for D,compare it to dwt, tkd,dtk,dlangui,anchovy......
DFL is just a thin wrapper around Win32, no surprise. I've found my apps written using DFL work quite fine in Linux via Wine, so I use them from both OSes. In Linux?The exe was compiled in win32? Don't play jokes on it.
Re: DFL is the best UIcontrols for D,compare it to dwt, tkd,dtk,dlangui,anchovy......
On Tuesday, 13 May 2014 at 15:28:05 UTC, Suliman wrote: DFL is really cool. Not all programmers need complex toolkits. A lot of need easy to learning toolkits for medium projects. It would be cool if somebody will handle developing of DFL. It's better to have one such toolkit, than tons of complex and not finished toolkits. Yes,if you have enough interesting,let us look for the DFL'author together,ok?
Re: DFL is the best UIcontrols for D, compare it to dwt, tkd, dtk, dlangui, anchovy......
On 2014-05-13 12:14, FrankLike wrote:
Look at the Button class in DWT.
In Linux ,button class need 844 lines,but in win32 ,button class need
1300 lines.
Look at the setText Method in button class.
There is a great difference between in Linux and in Win32.
public void setText (String string) {}
But if the same thing in DFL, the codes will be less. Because in Win32
,DFL only need 270~280 lines for button class.
If you look at the code you can see that DWT supports buttons with text
and images, which DFL doesn't. What I'm saying is that DWT does more
than DFL, supports more features.
--
/Jacob Carlborg
Re: DFL is the best UIcontrols for D,compare it to dwt, tkd,dtk,dlangui,anchovy......
It would be cool if somebody will handle developing of DFL. It's better to have one such toolkit, than tons of complex and not finished toolkits. isn't that the truth. as much as i like D, i find it unusable for me, since i do not have a ui-/db-toolkit. i want to use the language, not invent everything every step or fight for it. people here are sure smart and dedicated, but they develop very complex and badly documented/exampled libraries etc. i think D will not pick up as much as the developer think since it does not offer the the small little things that make it possible to develop (by joe blow) software easily and fast. i don't care for linux and complexity. thank you all.
Re: DFL is the best UIcontrols for D,compare it to dwt, tkd,dtk,dlangui,anchovy......
On Tuesday, 13 May 2014 at 20:42:11 UTC, jack death wrote: It would be cool if somebody will handle developing of DFL. It's better to have one such toolkit, than tons of complex and not finished toolkits. Tkd is finished. Gtk-D is finished. You aren't going to get very far unless you actually learn to use your tools, complex or not. Tkd is about as simple as it gets for GUI programming. Tkd-D is more complex but that's the price you pay for needing to create something more complex. isn't that the truth. as much as i like D, i find it unusable for me, since i do not have a ui-/db-toolkit. i want to use the language, not invent everything every step or fight for it. You've obviously never looked. https://github.com/gtkd-developers/GtkD https://github.com/nomad-software/tkd https://github.com/rejectedsoftware/mysql-native http://dlang.org/phobos/etc_c_sqlite3.html https://github.com/adilbaig/Tiny-Redis http://www.wikiservice.at/d/wiki.cgi?DatabaseBindings
Re: DFL is the best UIcontrols for D,compare it to dwt, tkd,dtk,dlangui,anchovy......
On Tuesday, 13 May 2014 at 19:02:03 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
On 2014-05-13 12:14, FrankLike wrote:
Look at the Button class in DWT.
In Linux ,button class need 844 lines,but in win32 ,button
class need
1300 lines.
Look at the setText Method in button class.
There is a great difference between in Linux and in Win32.
public void setText (String string) {}
But if the same thing in DFL, the codes will be less. Because
in Win32
,DFL only need 270~280 lines for button class.
If you look at the code you can see that DWT supports buttons
with text and images, which DFL doesn't. What I'm saying is
that DWT does more than DFL, supports more features.
|t is easy to support by modifing the baseButton for DFL,or
add anew imageButton.
Re: DFL is the best UIcontrols for D,compare it to dwt, tkd,dtk,dlangui,anchovy......
On Tuesday, 13 May 2014 at 15:20:36 UTC, FrankLike wrote: DFL is just a thin wrapper around Win32, no surprise. I've found my apps written using DFL work quite fine in Linux via Wine, so I use them from both OSes. In Linux?The exe was compiled in win32? Don't play jokes on it. He's not joking, it is via wine. As for the DFL/DWT,GTK-d,TKd comparison you need to compare apples with apples. If you can improve DFL widgets so they: 1. support linux, windows, mac 2. support the same features as the more complex GUI widgets With the constraint that: 3. DFL uses less LOC and reduces code complexity comapred to GTK-d and DWT Then the comparison between DFL and other GUI libraries would be interesting. Cheers, ed
DFL is the best UIcontrols for D,compare it to dwt, tkd,dtk,dlangui,anchovy......
1.DFL's Memory Usage is the least than other. winsamp.exe is 2.1M,DFL's example's exe is 2.7M. 2.The size of DFL's example's exe files is the least than other, and only a single file. 3.DFL's source code is the most easy to understand. Although DFL not use on Linux or Mac os X,it's easy to do for high level Software Engineer. Now D need a simple ,quickly,easy to study UI Controls for D to develop. Frank
