Re: is(this : myClass)

2017-10-21 Thread Patrick via Digitalmars-d-learn


But with the current compiler you would never write

is(typeOf(myC) : typeof(c))

if in your mind "c" is actually a class "C" because if that is 
in your mind you would just write


is(typeof(myC) : c)

which would get you the error. You only need typeof(variable) 
to get to the type, there is no point in doing typeof(type), 
you just write type and C is a type. Right?


But what value is evaluating a class type to a primitive type? It 
will never be true? There has to be a reasonable chance for the 
evaulation to be true for the 'is' operator to provide value. The 
compiler should reject this 'is' statement or at minimum issue a 
warning of incompatible types. This is nonsense creep of unusable 
code (being able to write code that has no meaning and value).


This is equivalent to writing code like the following. It is just 
more obfuscated:


if(false)
{
 ...
}
else
{
 ...
}

Patrick


Re: is(this : myClass)

2017-10-21 Thread Igor via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Friday, 20 October 2017 at 23:24:17 UTC, Patrick wrote:
On Friday, 20 October 2017 at 23:01:25 UTC, Steven 
Schveighoffer wrote:

On 10/20/17 6:23 PM, Patrick wrote:
On Friday, 20 October 2017 at 22:15:36 UTC, Steven 
Schveighoffer wrote:

On 10/20/17 5:55 PM, Patrick wrote:
Due to the very specific nature of the 'is' operator, why 
wouldn't the compiler know to implicitly query the class 
types? Why must it be explicitly written, typeof(this)?


The compiler generally doesn't "fix" errors for you, it 
tells you there is a problem, and then you have to fix it. 
You have to be clear and unambiguous to the compiler. 
Otherwise debugging would be hell.



Not asking the compiler to fix my errors.

When would
is(this, myClass) not mean: is(typeof(this) : 
typeof(myClass))?


class C
{
}

int c;

C myC;

is(myC : c);

oops, forgot to capitalize. But compiler says "I know, you 
really meant is(typeof(myC) : typeof(c)) -> false.


-Steve


If I explicitly wrote: is(typeof(myC) : typeof(c)) the outcome 
would still be false and it would still require debugging. So 
your example demonstrates nothing other then a type-o was made. 
Try again...


In this unique case, the compiler should identify the class and 
primitive types are incompatible and should issue an error 
instead (and not return false).


Patrick


But with the current compiler you would never write

is(typeOf(myC) : typeof(c))

if in your mind "c" is actually a class "C" because if that is in 
your mind you would just write


is(typeof(myC) : c)

which would get you the error. You only need typeof(variable) to 
get to the type, there is no point in doing typeof(type), you 
just write type and C is a type. Right?


Re: is(this : myClass)

2017-10-20 Thread Patrick via Digitalmars-d-learn
On Friday, 20 October 2017 at 23:01:25 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer 
wrote:

On 10/20/17 6:23 PM, Patrick wrote:
On Friday, 20 October 2017 at 22:15:36 UTC, Steven 
Schveighoffer wrote:

On 10/20/17 5:55 PM, Patrick wrote:
Due to the very specific nature of the 'is' operator, why 
wouldn't the compiler know to implicitly query the class 
types? Why must it be explicitly written, typeof(this)?


The compiler generally doesn't "fix" errors for you, it tells 
you there is a problem, and then you have to fix it. You have 
to be clear and unambiguous to the compiler. Otherwise 
debugging would be hell.



Not asking the compiler to fix my errors.

When would
is(this, myClass) not mean: is(typeof(this) : typeof(myClass))?


class C
{
}

int c;

C myC;

is(myC : c);

oops, forgot to capitalize. But compiler says "I know, you 
really meant is(typeof(myC) : typeof(c)) -> false.


-Steve


If I explicitly wrote: is(typeof(myC) : typeof(c)) the outcome 
would still be false and it would still require debugging. So 
your example demonstrates nothing other then a type-o was made. 
Try again...


In this unique case, the compiler should identify the class and 
primitive types are incompatible and should issue an error 
instead (and not return false).


Patrick


Re: is(this : myClass)

2017-10-20 Thread Steven Schveighoffer via Digitalmars-d-learn

On 10/20/17 7:04 PM, user1234 wrote:
Strangely this is not always true, in other contexts this is seen as 
atype, although probably a bug


class Foo
{
     class Bar : this {}
     static assert(is(Bar : Foo));
}



Definitely a bug. You should have to write typeof(this) (which is valid 
in this context).


-Steve


Re: is(this : myClass)

2017-10-20 Thread Steven Schveighoffer via Digitalmars-d-learn

On 10/20/17 6:23 PM, Patrick wrote:

On Friday, 20 October 2017 at 22:15:36 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

On 10/20/17 5:55 PM, Patrick wrote:
Due to the very specific nature of the 'is' operator, why wouldn't 
the compiler know to implicitly query the class types? Why must it be 
explicitly written, typeof(this)?


The compiler generally doesn't "fix" errors for you, it tells you 
there is a problem, and then you have to fix it. You have to be clear 
and unambiguous to the compiler. Otherwise debugging would be hell.



Not asking the compiler to fix my errors.

When would
is(this, myClass) not mean: is(typeof(this) : typeof(myClass))?


class C
{
}

int c;

C myC;

is(myC : c);

oops, forgot to capitalize. But compiler says "I know, you really meant 
is(typeof(myC) : typeof(c)) -> false.


-Steve


Re: is(this : myClass)

2017-10-20 Thread user1234 via Digitalmars-d-learn
On Friday, 20 October 2017 at 21:42:32 UTC, Jonathan M Davis 
wrote:
On Friday, October 20, 2017 21:32:48 Patrick via 
Digitalmars-d-learn wrote:
The compiler seems to reject the following code in a class 
method:


bool test = is(this : myClass);

Could some please explain this?


"this" is not a type.


Strangely this is not always true, in other contexts this is seen 
as atype, although probably a bug


class Foo
{
class Bar : this {}
static assert(is(Bar : Foo));
}



Re: is(this : myClass)

2017-10-20 Thread Patrick via Digitalmars-d-learn
On Friday, 20 October 2017 at 22:15:36 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer 
wrote:

On 10/20/17 5:55 PM, Patrick wrote:
Due to the very specific nature of the 'is' operator, why 
wouldn't the compiler know to implicitly query the class 
types? Why must it be explicitly written, typeof(this)?


The compiler generally doesn't "fix" errors for you, it tells 
you there is a problem, and then you have to fix it. You have 
to be clear and unambiguous to the compiler. Otherwise 
debugging would be hell.


-Steve


Not asking the compiler to fix my errors.

When would
is(this, myClass) not mean: is(typeof(this) : typeof(myClass))?

Why would "is(this, myClass)" be ambiguous? What other 
interpretation would "is(this, myClass)" imply?


Patrick




Re: is(this : myClass)

2017-10-20 Thread Steven Schveighoffer via Digitalmars-d-learn

On 10/20/17 5:55 PM, Patrick wrote:
Due to the very specific nature of the 'is' operator, why wouldn't the 
compiler know to implicitly query the class types? Why must it be 
explicitly written, typeof(this)?


The compiler generally doesn't "fix" errors for you, it tells you there 
is a problem, and then you have to fix it. You have to be clear and 
unambiguous to the compiler. Otherwise debugging would be hell.


-Steve


Re: is(this : myClass)

2017-10-20 Thread Patrick via Digitalmars-d-learn
On Friday, 20 October 2017 at 21:42:32 UTC, Jonathan M Davis 
wrote:
On Friday, October 20, 2017 21:32:48 Patrick via 
Digitalmars-d-learn wrote:
The compiler seems to reject the following code in a class 
method:


bool test = is(this : myClass);

Could some please explain this?


"this" is not a type. is(T : U) is true if T is implicitly 
convertible to U.
T and U must both be types. So, you need to use the types of 
this and
myClass, even if that's just is(typeof(this) : typeof(myClass)) 
rather than

explicitly using their types.

- Jonathan M Davis


Thank you.

Due to the very specific nature of the 'is' operator, why 
wouldn't the compiler know to implicitly query the class types? 
Why must it be explicitly written, typeof(this)?


Patrick


Re: is(this : myClass)

2017-10-20 Thread Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d-learn
On Friday, October 20, 2017 21:32:48 Patrick via Digitalmars-d-learn wrote:
> The compiler seems to reject the following code in a class method:
>
> bool test = is(this : myClass);
>
> Could some please explain this?

"this" is not a type. is(T : U) is true if T is implicitly convertible to U.
T and U must both be types. So, you need to use the types of this and
myClass, even if that's just is(typeof(this) : typeof(myClass)) rather than
explicitly using their types.

- Jonathan M Davis



is(this : myClass)

2017-10-20 Thread Patrick via Digitalmars-d-learn

The compiler seems to reject the following code in a class method:

bool test = is(this : myClass);

Could some please explain this?

Thanks,

Patrick