On 2018-10-22 12:06, Russel Winder wrote:
Jacob,
GitHub is currently making a total mess for me of our conversation on
Issue 42, I see stuff then it goes away. Apologies if I have made a
mess of that conversation for you.
Yeah, I noticed that. GitHub had/still having some major issues [1].
On 2018-10-21 22:31, Patrick Schluter wrote:
I like it and I'm looking forward that it gets beyond swt 3.4.
I ported my Java GUI SWT program to D and it was a breeze to do. I
didn't even require to change the structure of the app and the class
hierarchy. There was only the file and string
On Mon, 2018-10-22 at 16:23 +, Gregor Mückl via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
>
[…]
> It's easy to go and proclaim a strategic goal such as this. What
> actually matters is execution. And that requires some serious
> developer time that someone (ideally a whole team) needs to
> invest. I don't see
On Sunday, 21 October 2018 at 17:15:03 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
On Sun, 2018-10-21 at 08:42 +, Paolo Invernizzi via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
[…]
Linux is not only the desktop, and Qt simply dominates in
industrial, medical and automation sector, that's where the
money is.
Qt is pushing
On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 03:49:44 -0400, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote:
> So I'm honestly *shocked* to hear this. I NEVER would've guessed. I'm
> pretty sold on rolling-release at this point, but I'm intrigued enough
> that I'm gonna have to give the latest Ubuntu a try, at least in a VM.
The
On Mon, 2018-10-22 at 03:49 -0400, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
> […]
> Just to see what's up with this "Qt-based Ubuntu", which to me, is
> much
> like hearing of Mario on a Dreamcast, or Sonic on SNES...
Canonical got heavily into Qt (well QML actually) when they were
Jacob,
GitHub is currently making a total mess for me of our conversation on
Issue 42, I see stuff then it goes away. Apologies if I have made a
mess of that conversation for you.
On Sun, 2018-10-21 at 20:24 +0200, Jacob Carlborg via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
>
[…]
> There's probably a ton of
On 10/22/18 1:58 AM, Neia Neutuladh wrote:
Unity 7 and prior for the desktop use Nux, an OpenGL-based widget toolkit.
Unity 8 and all mobile versions of Unity use Qt. The application set that
Ubuntu shipped with Unity was, I think, heavier on the GTK+ side.
Fascinating. I'm actually shocked
On 10/22/18 1:08 AM, Gerald wrote:
On Monday, 22 October 2018 at 04:41:08 UTC, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa)
wrote:
On 10/21/18 1:13 PM, Russel Winder wrote:
[...]
First of all, minor nitpick: Unless some bombshell news occurred that
I managed to miss, Ubuntu pushes their own Unity, NOT Gnome.
On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 00:41:08 -0400, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote:
> Ultimately, everything points to the same thing: Those who actually CARE
> about GTK/Gnome/Unity vs Qt/KDE, typically prefer Qt/KDE. The rest are
> just swing votes.
Unity 7 and prior for the desktop use Nux, an OpenGL-based
On 10/21/18 1:29 PM, Russel Winder wrote:
No, D should not forget DWT. It's one of the few (they only?) D GUI
toolkit that has a native look and feel.
Apart from GtkD on GTK+ systems, and dqml, QtE5, qtD, and dqt on Qt,
and wxD on wxWidgets. Qt and wxWidgets pride themselves on being able
to
On Monday, 22 October 2018 at 04:41:08 UTC, Nick Sabalausky
(Abscissa) wrote:
On 10/21/18 1:13 PM, Russel Winder wrote:
[...]
First of all, minor nitpick: Unless some bombshell news
occurred that I managed to miss, Ubuntu pushes their own Unity,
NOT Gnome. Yes, that's still GTK, but
On 10/21/18 1:13 PM, Russel Winder wrote:
On Sun, 2018-10-21 at 04:15 -0400, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
[…]
That's pure nonsense: It's Linux - unless one option actually goes
away
(KDE is still actively used and developed), then there's no such
thing
as one "winning"
On 10/21/18 7:36 AM, Andre Pany wrote:
While talking about bindings, do not forget Delphi. It has still a good
eco system. Combining Delphi's advanced Runtime reflection capabilities
with D's advanced compile reflection capabilities opens this eco system.
I created a proof of concept and
On Sunday, 21 October 2018 at 18:24:30 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
On 2018-10-21 19:29, Russel Winder wrote:
But who apart from Eclipse and JetBrains uses Java for desktop
GUI
applications?
There's probably a ton of business/enterprise applications that
are written in Java.
But I don't
On 2018-10-21 19:29, Russel Winder wrote:
But who apart from Eclipse and JetBrains uses Java for desktop GUI
applications?
There's probably a ton of business/enterprise applications that are
written in Java.
But I don't care for that, that's why I'm using D :)
I do not have Eclipse to
On Sun, 2018-10-21 at 12:54 +0200, Jacob Carlborg via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
>
[…]
> As has been stated elsewhere, it's working on Windows and macOS but
> looks very alien on macOS. When I was in school I wrote a program
> using
> C# (Mono) and GTK on macOS. GTK seemed to be the best alternative
On Sun, 2018-10-21 at 12:49 +0200, Jacob Carlborg via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> On 2018-10-21 09:33, Russel Winder wrote:
>
> > The SWT framework is being replaced with JavaFX, so should D forget
> > DWT
> > and do something similar?
>
> Where do you get that idea? SWT (and therefore DWT) is using
On Sun, 2018-10-21 at 08:42 +, Paolo Invernizzi via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> […]
>
> Linux is not only the desktop, and Qt simply dominates in
> industrial, medical and automation sector, that's where the money
> is.
>
> Qt is pushing strongly on the embedded marked, bare metal or
> linux
On Sun, 2018-10-21 at 04:15 -0400, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
> […]
>
> That's pure nonsense: It's Linux - unless one option actually goes
> away
> (KDE is still actively used and developed), then there's no such
> thing
> as one "winning" over the other.
Hardly
On Saturday, 20 October 2018 at 16:37:07 UTC, Atila Neves wrote:
I've also realised that there are parts of C++ that are
probably unstranslatable no matter what I do.
This can be solved with good gui. It need to look like meld on
linux where original cpp and translated d files are side by
On Sunday, 21 October 2018 at 01:32:22 UTC, Nick Sabalausky
(Abscissa) wrote:
On 10/20/18 6:28 AM, Gregor Mückl wrote:
Even though web and mobile UIs seem to be the rage at the
moment, I believe a solid support for desktop UIs is very
important for a general purpose language, if it wants to
On 2018-10-20 11:25, Russel Winder wrote:
GtkD works very well for me. But I guess GTK+ has a reputation of not
working on Windows and macOS. Once a reputation is established it is
nigh on impossible to refute.
As has been stated elsewhere, it's working on Windows and macOS but
looks very
On 2018-10-21 09:33, Russel Winder wrote:
The SWT framework is being replaced with JavaFX, so should D forget DWT
and do something similar?
Where do you get that idea? SWT (and therefore DWT) is using the native
drawing operations of the OS.
No, D should not forget DWT. It's one of the few
On 2018-10-21 03:25, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote:
What about DWT? It seemed pretty good from what I could tell, though I
still haven't ventured into D GUIs just yet myself. Are there issues
people have with DWT? Or WxD?
DWT is currently stuck at SWT version 3.4 and no macOS version is
On Sunday, 21 October 2018 at 07:33:45 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
The GTK/Qt battle on Linux was won by GTK+2 hence GNOME over
KDE as the default for Debian and Fedora. Whether this was
right or wrong is left as a choice for the reader!
Linux is not only the desktop, and Qt simply dominates
On 10/21/18 3:33 AM, Russel Winder wrote:
On Sat, 2018-10-20 at 21:25 -0400, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
I've heard a lot of very good things about GtkD, and honestly, I have
no
doubts about any of it. Unfortunately though, the main problem with
GtkD
is simply GTK itself
On Sat, 2018-10-20 at 21:25 -0400, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
> […]
>
> And KDE.
Not entirely true, you can run KDE application on a GNOME system, and I
assume GNOME application on a KDE system.
> I've heard a lot of very good things about GtkD, and honestly, I have
>
On Sat, 2018-10-20 at 16:37 +, Atila Neves via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> […]
>
> It turns out that translating C++ is *hard*. Partly because the
> language is huge and complicated, but also partly because
> libclang isn't all it's cracked up to be. But... dpp is probably
> a few full work
On Sat, 2018-10-20 at 23:38 +, Gregor Mückl via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
>
[…]
> I don't want to judge, but I need to point out that we have
> managed to make this discussion progress from outward-facing
> marketing to technical difficulties and related pull requests.
> This is not bad, but it
On 10/20/18 6:28 AM, Gregor Mückl wrote:
Even though web and mobile UIs seem to be the rage at the moment, I
believe a solid support for desktop UIs is very important for a general
purpose language, if it wants to be successful in the market.
I think that may be doubly true in the case of
On 10/20/18 5:25 AM, Russel Winder wrote:
On Sat, 2018-10-20 at 08:52 +, Gregor Mückl via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
[…]
I periodically look at how I can make use of D for small
projects. Most often, I shy away because I want to build a GUI
and none of the libraries that I can find look mature
On Saturday, 20 October 2018 at 22:19:48 UTC, 12345swordy wrote:
On Saturday, 20 October 2018 at 16:37:07 UTC, Atila Neves wrote:
On Saturday, 20 October 2018 at 10:28:47 UTC, Gregor Mückl
wrote:
[...]
It turns out that translating C++ is *hard*. Partly because
the language is huge and
On Saturday, 20 October 2018 at 16:37:07 UTC, Atila Neves wrote:
On Saturday, 20 October 2018 at 10:28:47 UTC, Gregor Mückl
wrote:
[...]
It turns out that translating C++ is *hard*. Partly because the
language is huge and complicated, but also partly because
libclang isn't all it's cracked
On Saturday, 20 October 2018 at 10:28:47 UTC, Gregor Mückl wrote:
On Saturday, 20 October 2018 at 09:25:58 UTC, Russel Winder
wrote:
On Sat, 2018-10-20 at 08:52 +, Gregor Mückl via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
[…]
I periodically look at how I can make use of D for small
projects. Most often, I
On Saturday, 20 October 2018 at 14:24:56 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
On Sat, 2018-10-20 at 12:43 +, tide via Digitalmars-d wrote:
[…]
I mean it *may* work, but that isn't the problem if the
developers completely lack support for the platform. I can
download Qt with prebuilt libraries and
On Sat, 2018-10-20 at 12:43 +, tide via Digitalmars-d wrote:
>
[…]
> I mean it *may* work, but that isn't the problem if the
> developers completely lack support for the platform. I can
> download Qt with prebuilt libraries and it works out of the box
> with MSVC. There's an obvious
On Saturday, 20 October 2018 at 09:25:58 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
On Sat, 2018-10-20 at 08:52 +, Gregor Mückl via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
[…]
I periodically look at how I can make use of D for small
projects. Most often, I shy away because I want to build a GUI
and none of the libraries
On Saturday, 20 October 2018 at 09:25:58 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
On Sat, 2018-10-20 at 08:52 +, Gregor Mückl via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
[…]
I periodically look at how I can make use of D for small
projects. Most often, I shy away because I want to build a GUI
and none of the libraries
On Sat, 2018-10-20 at 08:52 +, Gregor Mückl via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
>
[…]
> I periodically look at how I can make use of D for small
> projects. Most often, I shy away because I want to build a GUI
> and none of the libraries that I can find look mature and well
> maintained enough to put
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