Re: [digitalradio] Re: DVDRM KV9U

2007-03-24 Thread kv9u
These numbers seem very much what others have reported as well. A difference of 3 or 4 dB lower is highly significant, even with AWGN tests. When we were testing SCAMP, which used the RDFT protocol, there was nothing so frustrating as to watch the mode time itself out even though signals were

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Report of the ARRL Ad Hoc HF Digital Committee Dissenting Recommendation

2007-03-24 Thread John Champa
Dave, You make several excellent points! OK...Chris isn't perfect ($%#@). Plus, the recent alternative ARRL proposal causes me some concern. For example, might we not want some digital mode above 3 kHz someday? How about one spot on just a few bands where up to 6 kHz is permitted? Why take

Re: [digitalradio] Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-24 Thread John Champa
Bruce, Is all you know how to do is flame? Turn down the heat and go back on your meds, OK? Thanks from all of us, John K8OCL Original Message Follows From: bruce mallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Report of the ARRL Ad Hoc HF Digital Committee Dissenting

2007-03-24 Thread John Champa
PS - All you guys concerned with such need to write to your respective ARRL Director. Hamming it up on this reflector will do little good in the endUNLESS you cc your director, too. AND, I am not a spokesman for the League. I spend most of my Ham radio on the 2.4 GHz band, so what do I

[digitalradio] ARRL Offers Alternate Approach to Regulation by Bandwidth

2007-03-24 Thread Dave Bernstein
This was just posted: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2007/03/23/101/?nc=1 73, Dave, AA6YQ

Re: [digitalradio] ARRL Offers Alternate Approach to Regulation by Bandwidth

2007-03-24 Thread kv9u
Usually, I can follow this stuff pretty well, but for some reason, I am missing just what is the change that ARRL made to their original proposal? 73, Rick, KV9U Dave Bernstein wrote: This was just posted: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2007/03/23/101/?nc=1 73, Dave,

Re: [digitalradio] ARRL Offers Alternate Approach to Regulation by Bandwidth

2007-03-24 Thread John B. Stephensen
The ARRL deleted other changes below 30 MHz, but wants to change the voice/image segment bandwidth from the existing communications quality voice to 3 kHz. 73, John KD6OZH - Original Message - From: kv9u To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 19:50

[digitalradio] Can anyone identify this mode (jpg posted)

2007-03-24 Thread David Kruh
http://www.bambinomusical.com/screenshot1.jpg This signal was on 7068 Saturday afternoon ET. It is a pulsing signal that I cannot identify. Thanks for your help, group. David WB2HTO

RE: [digitalradio] ARRL Offers Alternate Approach to Regulation by Bandwidth

2007-03-24 Thread John Champa
Dave, Oh, that's great Dave!. Thanks a lot, partner. (HI) Not that it's not an excellent proposal, mind you, but the HSMM modes cover BRUCE's personally owned AM Worldwide 6M Calling spot @ 50.4 MHz! I am the destroyer of worlds! (The Hunt for Red October?) So now Bruce will be on constant

[digitalradio] Re: Report of the ARRL Ad Hoc HF Digital Committee Dissenting

2007-03-24 Thread Dave Bernstein
AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Champa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Dave's No. 1: Obviously, as he knows, Chris Imlay is a paid employee. He puts in more time than his pay demands, but he is paid. To lay this all on him is wrong, though. I know of 19 people

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Report of the ARRL Ad Hoc HF Digital Committee Dissenting

2007-03-24 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
I join the voices of the many who call for the release of source code for this busy detection and any patents under royalty-free license. If SCAMP's busy detector, for example, were to be released now, it would show goodwill, and would also spur innovation. Closed and unreleased, it fuels

Re: [digitalradio] Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-24 Thread Joe Serocki
From my time in Ham Radio: - Going from Class A to a structured licensing was the end of Ham Radio. - Giving Novices 10m voice was the end of Ham Radio. - Giving Novices 220 was the end of Ham Radio. - Dropping CW from structured classes to 5WPM was the end of Ham Radio. -

RE: [digitalradio] ARRL Offers Alternate Approach to Regulation by Bandwidth

2007-03-24 Thread bruce mallon
no the ARRL will pay with loss of 90% of its members ... they will see just how many unhappy hams are out there come renewal time . ENJOY YOUR BAND all 12 of you . im done ..

Re: [digitalradio] Can anyone identify this mode (jpg posted)

2007-03-24 Thread Darrel Smith
Looks like RTTY to me. Can't quite tell but the shift maybe 200Hz. Darrel VE7CUS On 24-Mar-07, at 3:12 PM, David Kruh wrote: http://www.bambinomusical.com/screenshot1.jpg This signal was on 7068 Saturday afternoon ET. It is a pulsing signal that I cannot identify. Thanks for your help,

Re: [digitalradio] Can anyone identify this mode (jpg posted)

2007-03-24 Thread Joe Veldhuis
Pactor 1 ARQ. -Joe, N8FQ On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:12:33 - David Kruh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.bambinomusical.com/screenshot1.jpg This signal was on 7068 Saturday afternoon ET. It is a pulsing signal that I cannot identify. Thanks for your help, group. David WB2HTO

[digitalradio] New PSKlive version available

2007-03-24 Thread Per
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Re: [digitalradio] Re: Report of the ARRL Ad Hoc HF Digital Committee Dissenting

2007-03-24 Thread kv9u
The discussion of automatic signal detection and not transmitting on a busy frequency has been a major item of discussion in the past day on one of the Winlink 2000 groups and the impression that I got from the main spokesperson/owner was that if they had to follow busy detection rules,

Re: [digitalradio] ARRL Offers Alternate Approach to Regulation by Bandwidth

2007-03-24 Thread kv9u
It was my understanding that the ARRL compromised on 3.5 kHz for SSB voice when they submitted the request to the FCC. I think that ESSB accomodation was part of that reasoning? Can anyone else recall that initially they were proposing 3.0 and then moved it to 3.5? Or is it now that they want

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Report of the ARRL Ad Hoc HF Digital Committee Dissenting

2007-03-24 Thread Danny Douglas
If they cant make it work, it should die. There is no sense in putting in a mode that is known to be one that will intefere with other signals. I really dont think it will come to that. We have too many smart people working on the problem (or at least I hope they are), and nothing is impossible

[digitalradio] Re: Can anyone identify this mode (jpg posted)

2007-03-24 Thread David Kruh
Thank you. --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Joe Veldhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pactor 1 ARQ. -Joe, N8FQ On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:12:33 - David Kruh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.bambinomusical.com/screenshot1.jpg This signal was on 7068 Saturday afternoon ET. It

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Report of the ARRL Ad Hoc HF Digital Committee Dissenting

2007-03-24 Thread list email filter
I don't believe anyone with the power to change the system is 'working on the problem'. The honest fact is that they believe the HF portion of the Winlink 2000 PMBO would cease to function if they implemented frequency in use signal detection, and a process to avoid the hidden transmitter

Re: [digitalradio] ARRL Offers Alternate Approach to Regulation by Bandwidth

2007-03-24 Thread John B. Stephensen
The initial proposal was 3.5 kHz bandwidth for any mode within certain HF band segments. 73, John KD6OZH - Original Message - From: kv9u To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 00:56 UTC Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ARRL Offers Alternate Approach to

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Report of the ARRL Ad Hoc HF Digital Committee Dissenting

2007-03-24 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
Well, then it's true. They don't care about the law. Leigh/WA5ZNU On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 5:49 pm, kv9u wrote: The discussion of automatic signal detection and not transmitting on a busy frequency has been a major item of discussion in the past day on one of the Winlink 2000 groups and the

[digitalradio] Re: Report of the ARRL Ad Hoc HF Digital Committee Dissenting

2007-03-24 Thread Dave Bernstein
I am not privy to the PMBO code, but I would be extremely surprised if Active busy detection would stop all PMBO operations. All that is required is for a PMBO in its idle state to not respond to an incoming user request if the busy detector output was positive anytime during the last X