[digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-23 Thread Vojtech Bubnik
Hi Rud. > The decoding delay is minimal and probably not even noticeable, even in chat > mode. The decoding delay will not be an issue in chat mode. But it is annoying for someone interesting in DXes or just high rate of QSOs. It will take too long to just decode call sign during CQ to find out

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-23 Thread Jose A. Amador
I am daring to post my opinion after reading the previous ones on this thread. In general, ARQ modes can insure the delivery of almost 100% correct transfers. FEC can do nearly alike, but since there is no feedback, transfers may get corrupted as SNR drops. ARQ + FEC can achieve a lower retry

[digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-23 Thread Dave Bernstein
Its more likely that they know exactly what they are missing -- but don't believe its worth the extra cost to obtain it. Furthermore, there are still quite a few KAMs and PK232s around; the incremental cost to their owners of running Pactor 1 would be very low -- and yet this mode is not frequ

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-23 Thread Rick
We have several modes that fall in to that category. Or, in one case, did have with SCAMP which has not been made available after it was developed. While it did not have the fall back position of the Pactor modes, the developer chose not to add more robust modes. The speed was quite good, faste

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-23 Thread Patrick VK2PN
Hear hear…. ~ Patrick VK2PN QF56pe on the east Australian coast From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of "John Becker, WØJAB" Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 11:37 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Mu

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-23 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
Ok I'll jump in on this one just once. I feel if such ARQ modes as Amtor or Pactor 1, 2 or 3 could be done via sound card. Most modes would be dead by noon tomorrow. But since they can't no need to go on. Some will never know what they are missing. John, W0JAB Louisiana, Missouri EM48LK

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-23 Thread Rud Merriam
The decoding delay is minimal and probably not even noticeable, even in chat mode. The delay in a chat is waiting for a buffer to fill so the FEC packet can be constructed. In non-FEC mode characters are sent as typed. So for a 20 character message it requires the time for 20 keystrokes, calculat

[digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-23 Thread Vojtech Bubnik
> >>>A new protocol with all of PSK31's current virtues augmented by > error correction and the ability to convey modest-sized files in real- > time would initiate a similar transition, I suspect. BTW, PSK63F has error correction, but I never heard it on air. FEC will always introduce decoding de