Re: [digitalradio] Crest factor in Pactor and other considerations

2008-08-14 Thread Patrick Lindecker
TKS for the information Rick, I noted the two S/N figures: > (with compression on plain text) could do close to 1000 wpm with about > a+8 to 10 dB S/N. After all even P3 drops to a net throughput of less It is not a very good performance. For 1000 wpm a more reasonable minimum S/N might be around

Re: [digitalradio] Crest factor in Pactor and other considerations

2008-08-14 Thread Rick W.
Hi Patrick, While you might get a lot of different opinions on what is needed for public service/emergency communications, absolute accuracy is what many of us consider to be mandatory. And because you are often going to be operating under less than ideal conditions and locations, having a rob

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Crest factor in Pactor

2008-08-14 Thread Jose A. Amador
Also, in the case of PSK / QAM, the simplest constellations may stand much more abuse. If you also have different levels (8QAM and more complex) clipping/limiting affects the Hamming distance and may confuse symbols. Once again, KISS may be the best way... 8-) 73, Jose, CO2JA --- Patrick

Re: [digitalradio] Crest factor in Pactor and other considerations

2008-08-14 Thread Patrick Lindecker
Hello Rick, RR for all. > developing a similar sound card protocol for emergency use. It does not I've never been implicated in emergency use and I don't know what are the needs. For example, what is the net absolute throughput required in bits/sec? Examples: * Pactor 2 in the most robust sc

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Crest factor in Pactor

2008-08-14 Thread Patrick Lindecker
Hello Votjech, > I wonder whether they reference their two tone crest factor to a > single PSK carrier? I think that it is the global crest factor as they gives an example: if the crest factor is 3 dB a 100 W SSB generates 50 watts, so that's true... > How about to shift one carrier in time by a

Re: [digitalradio] Crest factor in Pactor and other considerations

2008-08-14 Thread Rick W.
Considering the success that Pactor 2 has had, with what is one of the more bandwidth conserving modes available with very good throughput and yet only a 500 Hz bandwidth, this may be a "target" to meet by developing a similar sound card protocol for emergency use. It does not need to be the e

[digitalradio] Re: Crest factor in Pactor

2008-08-14 Thread Vojtech Bubnik
Hi Patrick. > The first mode of Pactor 3, with 2 carriers (in BPSK) specifies a crest factor of 1.9 dB (ratio of 1.55). > Pactor 2 specifies a crest factor of 1.45 (in ratio)...1.6 dB > > Meanwhile, Pactor 2 applies a root raised cosine window which gives for a one carrier only, a crest factor