RE: [digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-22 Thread Rud Merriam
Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Thompson Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:17 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE Depends; Shannon's theorem gives three variables: bitrate, modulation

RE: [digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-22 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Rud, Yes, the Military and Government HF users can and do at times operate with more RF EIRP that we Radio Amateurs have licensed limits for operating. However, WRT ALE at least, its not needed and the bulk of HF Military activity is usually within NVIS ranges as its tactical, and with

[digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-20 Thread Demetre SV1UY
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Lindecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Steinar, OK for 18h30 to 19h00 UTC to-morrow evening. Note: you must have a stable frequency to avoid drift (in ALE you are supposed to have a fixed frequency), so one hour of working before the QSO will

Re: [digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-20 Thread Patrick Lindecker
Patrick - Original Message - From: Demetre SV1UY To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 3:45 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Lindecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Steinar

[digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-20 Thread Demetre SV1UY
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Lindecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Demetre, Please let me know, the frequency you mentioned is it display frequency and are you going to use LSB or USB? It is the display frequency (3617 KHz) on your XCVR and in USB. Note: you can also

Re: [digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-20 Thread Patrick Lindecker
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 9:33 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Lindecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Demetre, Please let me know, the frequency you mentioned

Re: [digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-20 Thread Steinar Aanesland
Hi all, It was extremely heavy qrm on the frequency. I am now trying another antenna. and still sending CQ. 73 de LA5VNA Steinar Demetre SV1UY skrev: --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, Patrick Lindecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello

Re: [digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-20 Thread Steinar Aanesland
Demetre, Care for trying on 14.109,5 now ? LA5VNA Steinar Demetre SV1UY skrev: --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, Patrick Lindecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Demetre, Please let me know, the frequency you mentioned is it display

[digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-20 Thread Demetre SV1UY
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steinar Aanesland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Demetre, Care for trying on 14.109,5 now ? LA5VNA Steinar OK Steinar, trying now 20:43 UTC 73 de SV1UY

Re: [digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-19 Thread Robert Thompson
I think the basic ALE multitone waveform is always x3, although there are others much more expert than I on this list. Note that if FEC is being used, the 375 bps would be the raw rate, not the end-to-end throughput rate. On 9/19/07, Demetre SV1UY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

[digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-19 Thread Demetre SV1UY
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the basic ALE multitone waveform is always x3, although there are others much more expert than I on this list. Note that if FEC is being used, the 375 bps would be the raw rate, not the end-to-end throughput

Re: [digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-19 Thread Patrick Lindecker
, in English, in the Word 95 document ARQ_FAE_version_1 situated in the Specifications heading on my WEB site (English page). - Original Message - From: Demetre SV1UY To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 10:38 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: [hflink

Re: [digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-19 Thread Rick
The 8FSK125 mode is quite an old mode now and from what I have been reading, commercial/government will eventually move away from that particular waveform in order to standardize on the other newer designs. Because it has one tone that frequency shifts to 8 locations at the rate of 125 baud so

Re: [digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-19 Thread Robert Thompson
Depends; Shannon's theorem gives three variables: bitrate, modulation width, minimum workable noise level. You can get extreme bitrates in narrow channels, but only if you're willing to accept really large minimum SNRs. There is a pretty good paper that analyzes BPL in terms of the Shannon

Re: [digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-18 Thread Robert Thompson
To Demetre, the speed is 125 bauds as the other ALE modes. 73 Patrick Hi again Patrick, How difficult is it to make 125 bauds faster, say 800 - 1200 bps so that it can at least compete with PACTOR II? 73 de Demetre SV1UY Just a note... 125 baud is not always 125 bits per second,

[digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-18 Thread Demetre SV1UY
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a note... 125 baud is not always 125 bits per second, since the modulation unit may contain multiple bits of data. An example: An eight-tone modem might have each tone represent one of the 8 different

[digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-17 Thread Demetre SV1UY
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Lindecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Steinar, We can plan a sked saturday if you want. You can also beacon APRS positions in FAE (non ARQ in that case), for test. To Demetre, the speed is 125 bauds as the other ALE modes. 73 Patrick

[digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-17 Thread Demetre SV1UY
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Lindecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Steinar, We can plan a sked saturday if you want. You can also beacon APRS positions in FAE (non ARQ in that case), for test. To Demetre, the speed is 125 bauds as the other ALE modes. 73 Patrick

Re: [digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-17 Thread Patrick Lindecker
interested to reduce the speed so as to be able to do QSO with very low S/N (but smaller throughput). 73 Patrick - Original Message - From: Demetre SV1UY To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:40 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE