Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-20 Thread kv9u
You really had me going with the length of time it takes to get an STA. Glad to hear it is of a more reasonable time. I do wish they would allow longer STA testing periods, but I quite agree that since they will likely allow any reasonable experiment, you are fairly safe in getting the everythi

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-19 Thread John Champa
rst > John KD6OZH must get it to work! (HI). > > 73, > John - K8OCL > Former HSMM Chairman > > > Original Message Follows > From: kv9u <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > Subject:

RE: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-19 Thread John Champa
To: Subject: RE: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:25:56 -0500 http://home.satx.rr.com/wdubose/hsmm/hsmm-webpage.html is not a good reference. I have not maintained that page since 2005. Much has happened since then and I need to take it down since it is ver

RE: FW: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-19 Thread John Champa
Hey, knock it off Steve. Who are you to judge how I feel? I have been licensed for almost 50 years and I have seen regs come and go. I do care. I am NOT saying I don't care! What I am saying is don't replace your brain with the rule book. I worked closely the League's legal staff for 4 years a

RE: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-19 Thread DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
t: Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines If you look at the background of the ARRL direction, such as: http://home.satx.rr.com/wdubose/hsmm/hsmm-webpage.html It does not seem to me that much of this has come to the point of not requiring further study and experimentation. Where are the re

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-19 Thread kv9u
If you look at the background of the ARRL direction, such as: http://home.satx.rr.com/wdubose/hsmm/hsmm-webpage.html It does not seem to me that much of this has come to the point of not requiring further study and experimentation. Where are the results published since the 2001 inception? What

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-19 Thread kv9u
8OCL > Former HSMM Chairman > > > Original Message Follows > From: kv9u <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-18 Thread Walt DuBose
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 19:51:04 -0600 > > Perhaps at the time but I think the after the Board meeting in January and

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-18 Thread John Champa
eply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 21:05:10 -0500 Walt, It still seems peculiar that the BOD would close down a developing technology group as if it had done its job. We have

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-18 Thread kv9u
Walt, It still seems peculiar that the BOD would close down a developing technology group as if it had done its job. We have only begun with this technology. Instead you would have expected to see them request continued, if not even, expanded activity. Did you ever work with Paul Rinaldo on th

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-18 Thread John Champa
DuBose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 19:51:04 -0600 Perhaps at the time but I think the after the Board meeting in January and with a new Presid

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-18 Thread Walt DuBose
d <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:25:32 -0500 > > OK this is starting to look like character assassination. Pleas

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-18 Thread bruce mallon
John I SUPPORT any change that allows NEW forms of radio however anyone knows those changes need to take place on bands and with new modes that will not displace existent users. "6M is a huge band, that even when it is red hot, as we hope it is again in a few years, is very coveted by many

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-18 Thread John Champa
OTECTED]> Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:31:05 -0400 John, I beg to differ, I do get and from time to time I will offer comments to assist someone else who may not be

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-18 Thread John Champa
.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:25:32 -0500 OK this is starting to look like character assassination. Please excuse me while I still have my character 73, Chuck AA5J At 01:12 PM 3/18/2007, kv9u wrote: >Bruce

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-18 Thread Walt DuBose
Rick, You are not in possession of all the facts. The HSMM was chartered to find out what it would take to do high speed data and other modes on frequencies above HF. The report showed what bandwidth we believe would be necessary to accomplish the task. The HSMM Working Group's Basic Charter

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-18 Thread John Champa
by anybody else. Read the book "200 Meters and above" if a history lesson is needed. Hope that helps. 73, John K8OCL Original Message Follows From: Chuck Mayfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digita

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-18 Thread John Champa
te SS. 73, John K8OCL Original Message Follows From: "Bill Vodall WA7NWP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:18:24 -0700 > Th

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-18 Thread AAR2EY/AAA9DHT
John, I beg to differ, I do get and from time to time I will offer comments to assist someone else who may not be sure of how to proceed with new technology in the age of rapid software modem developments. However with your approach, sooner or later if you have not already, you will likely re

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-18 Thread Chuck Mayfield
OK this is starting to look like character assassination. Please excuse me while I still have my character 73, Chuck AA5J At 01:12 PM 3/18/2007, kv9u wrote: >Bruce, > >You have to understand that John and his group have (had?), very >different agendas than most hams, and that includes digitally

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-18 Thread Bill Vodall WA7NWP
> This is from the same guys that want to distroy 6 > meters with 200 khz wide signals? Not destroy it - save it... Amateur Radio used to be technology leaders. Today its the last bastion of otherwise obsolete 'museum modes' like AM, CW and ATV while the real world technologies of digital wide

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-18 Thread John Champa
Bruce, that is an extremely offensive posting. I happen to LOVE 6M and have operated the band for almost 50 years. Sorry, you feel the way you do. You are of course, in error once again. The excellent response from John, KD6OZH, clarified that our OFDM testing will not be on the AM calling freque

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-18 Thread kv9u
Bruce, You have to understand that John and his group have (had?), very different agendas than most hams, and that includes digitally oriented hams. Hopefully, he is one of the few U.S. hams who publicly recommend deliberately and knowingly violating Part 97 rules. It seems to me that the mos

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-18 Thread bruce mallon
s down the > road. > > Such folks are a cancer in what is otherwise a > wonderful avocation! > > 73, > John > K8OCL > > > Original Message Follows > From: Rodney Kraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > To: digital

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-17 Thread John Champa
frequency, etc. etc. and all will probably be OK. 73, John K8OCL Original Message Follows From: AAR2EY/AAA9DHT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-17 Thread John Champa
egs prohibiting everything new that comes down the road. Such folks are a cancer in what is otherwise a wonderful avocation! 73, John K8OCL Original Message Follows From: Rodney Kraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: R

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-17 Thread Steinar Aanesland
Ok , I was only curious . Every time someone discover a new mode or rediscover an old one like this MIL-STD-188-110 modem, this U.S. FCC rules initialize the same discussion . Don't forget the rest of the world. It is not very interesting to have to read through a lot of text with the same old

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-17 Thread kv9u
I strongly recommend that any new mode specifications be placed on the ARRL site with all the other mode specifications. Then anyone can refer to them easily. You do not have to be an ARRL member to access this information. It is a bit hard to find under support/regulatory information/FCC rules

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-17 Thread Rodney Kraft
Sir, There are so many laws in America that NO ONE person knows them all and because crime is so prevalent here we ALL need reminded of them. Not to mention that there are American Amateur Radio Operators trying all kinds of NEW ideas and some of them are NOT legal and can get them into some s

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-17 Thread AAR2EY/AAA9DHT
Hi Steiner, It would be nice if Part 97 was clear and simple and we did not have to help our fellow U.S. Radio Amateur's understand it, but unfortunately that is not yet the case. I am in hopes that the FCC will come around to any signal up to 3Khz using a published in detail protocol is lega

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-17 Thread Steinar Aanesland
My American friends, do you never get tired of telling each other what's not legal under your "FCC Part 97" ? 73 de LA5VNA Steinar AAR2EY/AAA9DHT wrote: > > > Hi Tony, > > I posted a comment on this the other day but I did not see it debut. > > The use of MIL-STD-188-110 serial tone data mod

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-17 Thread AAR2EY/AAA9DHT
Hi Tony, I posted a comment on this the other day but I did not see it debut. The use of MIL-STD-188-110 serial tone data modem is not legal under FCC Part 97 for data. Also, the RFSM2400 tool makes use of a non-disclosed Data Link Protocol (DLP), be it proprietary or something that is know

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-17 Thread KT2Q
e" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines > KT2Q wrote: >> All: >> >> The 'legal mode' issue keeps coming up >> everytime a >> new mode is introduced. Lif

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-16 Thread Les Keppie
KT2Q wrote: > All: > > The 'legal mode' issue keeps coming up everytime a > new mode is introduced. Life is too short to try > and make sense of Part 97 so I think it would be > useful to have a list of guidelines to help > determine whether a mode meets FCC rules or not. > > It should be to

[digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

2007-03-16 Thread KT2Q
All: The 'legal mode' issue keeps coming up everytime a new mode is introduced. Life is too short to try and make sense of Part 97 so I think it would be useful to have a list of guidelines to help determine whether a mode meets FCC rules or not. It should be to the point and concise; somethi