Re: [digitalradio] The decline of Olivia and DominoEX

2007-09-11 Thread Patrick Lindecker
Hello Rick, All the FEC appears to be roughly the same Viterbi encoding/decoding in Multipsk but perhaps there are some differences? No the Viterbi encoding of QPSK31 is smaller so a bit less powerful that the one used for MFSK16/MFSK8/PSK63F/PSK220F, this group of modes using the same Viterbi

Re: [digitalradio] The decline of Olivia and DominoEX

2007-09-10 Thread Simon Brown
Expect more Olivia in a few days, possibly some Domino modes next week. Why - because I'll be letting my test team lose on a new DM780 kit which already supports Throb and MFSK. Simon Brown, HB9DRV - Original Message - From: Andrew O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] What happened? It

RE: [digitalradio] The decline of Olivia and DominoEX

2007-09-10 Thread Peter G. Viscarola
I think that PSK and RTTY are still number 1 and 2, JT65A appears to be number 3 followed by MFSK16 and Hell. I pretty much agree, though I've personally seen waaay fewer Hell QSOs than Olivia. I think Hell is fun, and I'd like to work it more. I wonder if the lack of Olivia QSOs is due to

Re: [digitalradio] The decline of Olivia and DominoEX

2007-09-10 Thread Jose Amador
Andy, To me, it is a matter of being fashionable. No matter whatever happens, Olivia is a ROBUST mode, and most likely, the most robust conversational mode I know. The most robust is JT65A, but is hardly conversational, unless you do what you suggest on a previous mail using short phrases.

Re: [digitalradio] The decline of Olivia and DominoEX

2007-09-10 Thread Simon Brown
I think many are spoilt by PSK because the waterfall shows many QSO's whereas for Olivia etc. one has to hunt and then figure out what mode one has found. A suggestion is to call CQ using a video id supported in fldigi and now DM780 (guess where I stole the code from). Another idea is for

Re: [digitalradio] The decline of Olivia and DominoEX

2007-09-10 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
Tagging any CQ digimode transmission with a visual CQ at the end (even without a mode ID) will also increase responses. You can use the same frequency-domain font code from fldigi, as it is 2 chars wide at a minimum. 73, Leigh/WA5ZNU On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 9:57 am, Simon Brown wrote: I think many

Re: [digitalradio] The decline of Olivia and DominoEX

2007-09-10 Thread schuetzen
Andrew O'Brien wrote: What happened? It seemed that Olivia was poised to become the third most popular digital data mode (after PSK and RTTY). Now OLivia and also DominoEX are way down in use. I think that PSK and RTTY are still number 1 and 2, JT65A appears to be number 3 followed by

RE: [digitalradio] The decline of Olivia and DominoEX

2007-09-10 Thread Peter G. Viscarola
Called CQ tonight at 22:44Z on 14076.5, using Olivia 500/16. Andy, G8RZA answered me on my first call. Luck must be with me Now if I can just get 3B7C :-) de Peter K1PGV

Re: [digitalradio] The decline of Olivia and DominoEX

2007-09-10 Thread Rick
From my perspective, perhaps some of the reasons are: - Some digital programs only support a few modes, but typically they are all going to support PSK31 and RTTY - As new modes are developed, they are invariably going to be compared to the existing leaders and need to have some compelling

Re: [digitalradio] The decline of Olivia and DominoEX

2007-09-10 Thread schuetzen
Rick, a big plus to me is FEC, I do not see that you mentioned that in your comparisons. to me, that is a major deficiency in an otherwise interesting report. could you supplement?? thanks chas K5DAM Rick wrote: From my perspective, perhaps some of the reasons are: - Some digital

Re: [digitalradio] The decline of Olivia and DominoEX

2007-09-10 Thread Rick
Admittedly, my comments had to be very brief since there are even more modes and submodes. I personally find FEC to be very helpful. Some modes, such as MFSK16 and QPSK31 include Viterbi coding as well as Multipsk's PSK63F and PSK220F In fact, with some testing with a nearby ham (NVIS on

Re: [digitalradio] The decline of Olivia and DominoEX

2007-09-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Simon Brown wrote: Expect more Olivia in a few days, possibly some Domino modes next week. Why - because I'll be letting my test team lose on a new DM780 kit which already supports Throb and MFSK. Just had my 1st MFSK-16 QSO uning Simons' DM780 multi-mode digital program and I have a