Re: [Discuss] Rob Conery's critique of MySQL?

2012-08-04 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 08/03/2012 10:51 AM, Richard Pieri wrote: On 8/2/2012 10:57 PM, Mark Woodward wrote: going. They eventually gave up when Ameritrade wouldn't commit to replacing the entire cluster with bigger servers. Ahhh Bingo! We have the problem. Yes. Relational databases don't scale. You just keep

[Discuss] Big Data obsession

2012-08-04 Thread Mark Woodward
In our drawn out discussion about databases, and most discussions about databases this happens as well, the subject of HUGE scalability was trotted out. Now I am by no means dismissing big data as a real problem. Seriously, I worked on some pretty large systems -- hundreds of servers. It is a

[Discuss] Using raw host hard disk in virtual client

2012-08-04 Thread Jerry Natowitz
I share a computer with my wife. She sticks to Windows 7, I generally use Linux. There are a lot of partitions on the systems, NTFS, VFAT, and ext4. I would like to have a virtual Linux client running on W7 that I can either ssh to, or ftp mount partitions from a laptop. I've used

Re: [Discuss] Big Data obsession

2012-08-04 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 08/04/2012 11:24 AM, Mark Woodward wrote: In our drawn out discussion about databases, and most discussions about databases this happens as well, the subject of HUGE scalability was trotted out. Now I am by no means dismissing big data as a real problem. Seriously, I worked on some pretty

Re: [Discuss] Using raw host hard disk in virtual client

2012-08-04 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 08/04/2012 11:33 AM, Jerry Natowitz wrote: I share a computer with my wife. She sticks to Windows 7, I generally use Linux. There are a lot of partitions on the systems, NTFS, VFAT, and ext4. I would like to have a virtual Linux client running on W7 that I can either ssh to, or ftp mount

Re: [Discuss] Big Data obsession

2012-08-04 Thread Rich Pieri
Big is relative. Small companies grow, and when they grow they want their operations to scale to match. So yeah, Facebook ignored scaling at the start but the result is an excessively complex system that's a costly nightmare to maintain. -- Rich P.

Re: [Discuss] Rob Conery's critique of MySQL?

2012-08-04 Thread Rich Braun
Mark Woodward ma...@mohawksoft.com observed: My favorite example is facebook. Yes, they are a big data show case. OMFG they have a lot of data and a lot of computational requirements. They did not start out dreaming of big data. It started small and grew. I believe that this inadvertent

Re: [Discuss] Using raw host hard disk in virtual client

2012-08-04 Thread Kent Borg
Quite awhile ago I set up Linux clients on a Linux host, and looking for greater disk performance I gave the clients disk partitions directly. I do not know if it made things faster, but I do know that it makes things a pain in general. File systems are nice, they offer lots of features.

Re: [Discuss] Rob Conery's critique of MySQL?

2012-08-04 Thread Rich Pieri
On Sat, 4 Aug 2012 10:50:02 -0700 Rich Braun ri...@pioneer.ci.net wrote: Another example is firewall security: if you've got this cool new web site running, and later decide to add firewalls: I can speak to this specifically: adding firewalls after the fact will break your product. In the

Re: [Discuss] Using raw host hard disk in virtual client

2012-08-04 Thread Jerry Natowitz
I may not have been specific enough in what I want to do. I want the Linux client to be able to directly mount ext4 partitions, not to do raw I/O to partitions. Many decades ago (3) I worked on a project that did raw disk I/O. This was back in the days of washing machine sized drives, with

Re: [Discuss] Using raw host hard disk in virtual client

2012-08-04 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Jerry Natowitz j.natow...@rcn.com wrote: I may not have been specific enough in what I want to do. I want the Linux client to be able to directly mount ext4 partitions, not to do raw I/O to partitions. Actually, I think you do want raw I/O.When a native

Re: [Discuss] Rob Conery's critique of MySQL?

2012-08-04 Thread Mark Woodward
On 08/04/2012 01:50 PM, Rich Braun wrote: Mark Woodward ma...@mohawksoft.com observed: My favorite example is facebook. Yes, they are a big data show case. OMFG they have a lot of data and a lot of computational requirements. They did not start out dreaming of big data. It started small and

Re: [Discuss] Using raw host hard disk in virtual client

2012-08-04 Thread Rich Pieri
In my experience, if you're going to use either VMware Workstation or VMware Fusion or VirtualBox then you really shouldn't bother with raw disk access. It's a pain to configure and if you make a mistake then you can destroy things like your operating system. As long as you have sufficient

Re: [Discuss] Using raw host hard disk in virtual client

2012-08-04 Thread Rich Pieri
On Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:22:34 -0700 Rich Braun ri...@pioneer.ci.net wrote: Performance is equal to or possibly better than the bare-metal, This is not possible. Even with raw disk I/O the guest does not talk directly to the disk controllers. It talks to the emulated controllers exposed by the