Re: [Discuss] Its not possible to make things easier for users

2013-01-14 Thread Matthew Gillen
On 01/13/2013 12:52 PM, Rich Pieri wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 14:55:26 -0500 Mark Woodward ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: Problems with computers are mostly over at this point. It isn't about computers at all. It is about the tasks the users want to accomplish. You can't make them easier without

Re: [Discuss] Its not possible to make things easier for users

2013-01-14 Thread Mark Woodward
On 01/14/2013 11:47 AM, Rich Pieri wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:41:26 -0500 Matthew Gillen m...@mattgillen.net wrote: I don't think that's quite right. It's not that people don't want choices, it's that they don't want to make choices where they don't understand the options, and there is a

Re: [Discuss] Its not possible to make things easier for users

2013-01-14 Thread Rich Pieri
On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:35:18 -0500 Mark Woodward ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: That depends on the particular joe you are talking about. For some quantity of joe, you will have a range from don't know, don't care to knows, and cares. If you go too simple, then only the don't The guy who knows,

Re: [Discuss] Its not possible to make things easier for users

2013-01-14 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 01:27:34PM -0500, Rich Pieri wrote: The guy who knows, and cares isn't Joe Consumer. In that specific area, yes. Though, that doesn't preclude the notion that the same guy could be Joe Consumer with regard to anything or everything else... I think it's reasonable to

Re: [Discuss] Its not possible to make things easier for users

2013-01-14 Thread Rich Pieri
On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:47:24 -0600 Derek Martin inva...@pizzashack.org wrote: Only the base (V6) does. Every other model of Mustang (GT, Boss, Shelby) require premium gas. Even the Shelby will run fine with 87 octane. It won't knock if the engine sensors are working properly. You lose 10 HP

Re: [Discuss] Its not possible to make things easier for users

2013-01-14 Thread Mark Woodward
On 01/14/2013 03:09 PM, Rich Pieri wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:47:24 -0600 Derek Martin inva...@pizzashack.org wrote: Only the base (V6) does. Every other model of Mustang (GT, Boss, Shelby) require premium gas. Even the Shelby will run fine with 87 octane. It won't knock if the engine

Re: [Discuss] Its not possible to make things easier for users

2013-01-14 Thread Daniel C.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Mark Woodward ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: This is exactly why you can't help users. User's do not know what they do not know and somehow expect the world to take care of them. Even Apple is getting spanked for being too simple. More people use android than

Re: [Discuss] Its not possible to make things easier for users

2013-01-14 Thread Mark Woodward
On 01/14/2013 03:50 PM, Daniel C. wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Mark Woodward ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: This is exactly why you can't help users. User's do not know what they do not know and somehow expect the world to take care of them. Even Apple is getting spanked for being too

Re: [Discuss] Its not possible to make things easier for users

2013-01-14 Thread Mark Woodward
On 01/14/2013 04:00 PM, Rich Pieri wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:35:02 -0500 Mark Woodward ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: It should be noted that knock sensors detect a gas detonation and cause the control system to retard the engine timing. Two things about this: The detonation damages the

Re: [Discuss] Its not possible to make things easier for users

2013-01-14 Thread Shirley Márquez Dúlcey
On modern cars there is no timing that a mechanic can adjust; that's a throwback to the days of carburetors and camshafts. Nowadays cars have electronic fuel injection and electronically controlled valves and the timing is all done by the engine computer. If the computer is programmed competently,

Re: [Discuss] Its not possible to make things easier for users

2013-01-14 Thread Rich Pieri
On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:37:53 -0500 Mark Woodward ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: A single detonation won't damage an engine much. The timing retard that happens after a know is temporary. You will get repeated knocking even with sensors. You just won't notice it except for the lack of power and

Re: [Discuss] Its not possible to make things easier for users

2013-01-14 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 06:21:59PM -0500, Rich Pieri wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:39:10 -0500 Shirley Márquez Dúlcey m...@buttery.org wrote: The catch is that this may cause a severe performance drop in an engine designed for high octane fuel, not the mere 10HP that somebody alluded to.

Re: [Discuss] Its not possible to make things easier for users

2013-01-14 Thread Mark Woodward
On 01/14/2013 05:39 PM, Shirley Márquez Dúlcey wrote: On modern cars there is no timing that a mechanic can adjust; that's a throwback to the days of carburetors and camshafts. Nowadays cars have electronic fuel injection and electronically controlled valves and the timing is all done by the

Re: [Discuss] Its not possible to make things easier for users

2013-01-14 Thread Rich Pieri
Derek, A coworker of mine pointed out to me that there are a small number of car engines out there that really can't run on low octane gasoline. He was specific about the new BMWs (he's a BMW guy) requiring 89 octane gasoline. So yes, there are exceptions. Such exceptions are documented (at

Re: [Discuss] Its not possible to make things easier for users

2013-01-14 Thread Rich Braun
All that talk about cars and smart-phone marketshare led me to two thoughts: 1) Back in the days when regular gas meant leaded, my mom got a car as part of a divorce settlement. Riding in her car on a weekend home from college, she pulled up to a gas pump and filled up with unleaded. I looked