Re: [Discuss] Encouraging Children to Explore Open Source

2013-02-04 Thread john saylor
hi On 2/3/13 19:50 , Chris O'Connell wrote: I have trouble thinking that a 9 year old will be able to find a creative use for Linux, as the OS is pretty complicated and requires a lot of knowledge. Further, why would someone so young like to play with a somewhat primitive Gnome interface when

Re: [Discuss] Encouraging Children to Explore Open Source

2013-02-04 Thread Drew Van Zandt
9 is old enough to solder. I was taught when I was 6 or 7. * Drew Van Zandt Cam # US2010035593 (M:Liam Hopkins R: Bastian Rotgeld) Domain Coordinator, MA-003-D. Masquerade aVST * ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org

Re: [Discuss] Encouraging Children to Explore Open Source

2013-02-04 Thread Rich Pieri
On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 10:07:40 -0500 john saylor js0...@gmail.com wrote: but also, when he seems ready for solder, think about an arduino ... The biggest drawback to things like Arduino and the Radio Shack science lab kits is that they don't explain why the projects work. So, find a good

[Discuss] Disk recovery utilities - dealing with deleted files

2013-02-04 Thread Rich Braun
I think we've all done this at some point: an rsync --delete or the equivalent, from an empty directory to a target directory that had stuff we didn't want to lose. In my case I have cron job that mirrors two systems. While swapping data around yesterday, I forgot about this cron job and rsync

Re: [Discuss] Disk recovery utilities - dealing with deleted files

2013-02-04 Thread Scott Ehrlich
Try FTK Imager Lite. Also look into TSK (The Sleuth Kit) / Autopsy (web frontend for TSK). Was this a RAID or a single disk? Scott On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Rich Braun ri...@pioneer.ci.net wrote: I think we've all done this at some point: an rsync --delete or the equivalent, from an

Re: [Discuss] Disk recovery utilities - dealing with deleted files

2013-02-04 Thread Jack Coats
Have you ever been able to get an undelete tool to work? I have used SpinRite from Gibson Research but it may not do well on ext* file systems, I haven't tried it with them. ext2 is the basis for ext3 and ext4 (they both SEEM to must add speed by cache/logs and disk/cpu overhead) while keeping

Re: [Discuss] Disk recovery utilities - dealing with deleted files

2013-02-04 Thread Rich Pieri
On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 08:33:36 -0800 Rich Braun ri...@pioneer.ci.net wrote: rsync, don't ever delete them until I manually confirm. (Anyone else have a script for that? It'll be a bit hairy to write from scratch...) It's easy with btrfs. This is how I do btrfs backups (modulo some logic to

Re: [Discuss] Disk recovery utilities - dealing with deleted files

2013-02-04 Thread Rich Braun
Scott Ehrlich srehrl...@gmail.com suggested: Try FTK Imager Lite. Also look into TSK (The Sleuth Kit) / Autopsy (web frontend for TSK). Thanks! I'll try those; the former seems to be a Windows-based tool but the TSK looks like it might work. One issue that I'm running into is that virtually

Re: [Discuss] Disk recovery utilities - dealing with deleted files

2013-02-04 Thread Scott Ehrlich
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Rich Braun ri...@pioneer.ci.net wrote: Scott Ehrlich srehrl...@gmail.com suggested: Try FTK Imager Lite. Also look into TSK (The Sleuth Kit) / Autopsy (web frontend for TSK). Thanks! I'll try those; the former seems to be a Windows-based tool but the TSK

Re: [Discuss] Disk recovery utilities - dealing with deleted files

2013-02-04 Thread David Miller
SpinRite doesn't care about the filesystem. It's working at the block level. I've used it to recover tivo drives to working order many years ago. I'm pretty sure they were ext3. -- David On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Jack Coats j...@coats.org wrote: Have you ever been able to get an

Re: [Discuss] Disk recovery utilities - dealing with deleted files

2013-02-04 Thread Scott Ehrlich
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Rich Braun ri...@pioneer.ci.net wrote: Scott Ehrlich srehrl...@gmail.com suggested: Try FTK Imager Lite. Also look into TSK (The Sleuth Kit) / Autopsy (web frontend for TSK). Thanks! I'll try those; the former seems to be a Windows-based tool but the TSK

Re: [Discuss] Disk recovery utilities - dealing with deleted files

2013-02-04 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Rich Braun Lesson learned: obviously, I'm going to change that cron job to some sort of sequestration method: move the files someplace before this rsync, don't ever delete them

[Discuss] sshuttle, a pseudo-VPN built on ssh

2013-02-04 Thread Tom Metro
A Hak5 episode talked about sshuttle, a poor man's VPN: https://github.com/apenwarr/sshuttle It uses some iptables rules, Python glue, and an ssh tunnel to create a VPN of sorts. It's supposed to be simpler to set up than a proper VPN, and doesn't require root on the end-point, as long as it

[Discuss] Ext4, ugh! Re: Disk recovery utilities - dealing with deleted files

2013-02-04 Thread Rich Braun
It's starting to look to me like the bottom line is this: DO *NOT* USE EXT4! There are a handful of well-documented utilities available for recovering ext3 volumes, and pretty much nothing for ext4. The ones that claim support for ext4 give no meaningful debugging output, and rely solely on

Re: [Discuss] Ext4, ugh! Re: Disk recovery utilities - dealing with deleted files

2013-02-04 Thread Tom Metro
Rich Braun wrote: There are a handful of well-documented utilities available for recovering ext3 volumes, and pretty much nothing for ext4. The ones that claim support for ext4 give no meaningful debugging output, and rely solely on contents of a journal that's apparently gone. You tried