Re: [Discuss] BLU's SEO (Martin Owens)

2013-10-22 Thread Joseph Guarino
Hello Martin/Everyone, Wow! I won something from the great and honorable Dr mo! Yippie! LOL! =P I was also trying to clarify what I think was missed in my communication. Tom and I were never talking about doing anything other than help the group grow membership by honest SEM practices.

Re: [Discuss] BLU's SEO (Martin Owens)

2013-10-22 Thread Richard Pieri
Joseph, Marketing is inherently unethical. At best, marketing presents incomplete truths in order to paint the product as favorably as possible; at worst, it's close to lying outright about the product. Even so-called honest marketing is still done Pointing at Google as an 'expert' on

Re: [Discuss] BLU's SEO

2013-10-22 Thread Joseph Guarino
Hello Richard, With the greatest respect I have to disagree. Your current understanding of Marketing is biased to say the least. Marketing is the art/science of communicating value to customers. There is nothing inherently dishonest about that at all. Like other fields there may be dishonest

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Re: [Discuss] BLU's SEO (Martin Owens)

2013-10-22 Thread Martin Owens
You're very welcome Joseph, On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 07:27 -0700, Joseph Guarino wrote: deluded and confused I think you mean mis-defined. I believe the two words above could be misconstrued as pejoratives for people who have genuine undeluded definitions. Marking is about getting attention; so

Re: [Discuss] BLU's SEO (Martin Owens)

2013-10-22 Thread john saylor
hi On 10/22/13 15:20 , Martin Owens wrote: Marking is about getting attention isn't this a bit simplistic? marketing also wants to persuade you to take some action. otherwise, self-immolation could qualify as marketing. i think it's the techniques used for this persuasion that put people off

Re: [Discuss] BLU's SEO

2013-10-22 Thread Richard Pieri
Joseph Guarino wrote: With the greatest respect I have to disagree. Your current understanding of Marketing is biased to say the least. Marketing is the art/science of communicating value to customers. There is nothing [snrk] Marketing is neither art nor science. It's the process of

Re: [Discuss] BLU's SEO (Martin Owens)

2013-10-22 Thread markw
hi On 10/22/13 15:20 , Martin Owens wrote: Marking is about getting attention isn't this a bit simplistic? marketing also wants to persuade you to take some action. otherwise, self-immolation could qualify as marketing. Well, the term obtuse comes to mind. :-) Marketing is a term used to

Re: [Discuss] BLU's SEO

2013-10-22 Thread markw
Joseph Guarino wrote: With the greatest respect I have to disagree. Your current understanding of Marketing is biased to say the least. Marketing is the art/science of communicating value to customers. There is nothing [snrk] Marketing is neither art nor science. It's the process of

Re: [Discuss] BLU's SEO (Martin Owens)

2013-10-22 Thread Martin Owens
On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 15:29 -0400, john saylor wrote: self-immolation could qualify as marketing. One man burning makes an entire middle east declare spring time. Talk about marketing! ;-) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org

Re: [Discuss] BLU's SEO (Martin Owens)

2013-10-22 Thread Richard Pieri
ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: If I plaster an ad with a picture of a cold glass orange juice, and write Fresh Orange Juice, tastes good and is good for you with natural vitamin C It is objectively truthful. Except that it isn't objectively truthful. What you're not saying is that orange juice

Re: [Discuss] BLU's SEO (Martin Owens)

2013-10-22 Thread markw
ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: If I plaster an ad with a picture of a cold glass orange juice, and write Fresh Orange Juice, tastes good and is good for you with natural vitamin C It is objectively truthful. Except that it isn't objectively truthful. What you're not saying is that orange

Re: [Discuss] BLU's SEO (Martin Owens)

2013-10-22 Thread Richard Pieri
ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: This is the real problem in this discussion, and probably on much larger fronts as well. Rather than a problem, I assert that this is the ultimate fine point of the discussion. Fact and truth are not synonymous. Related, yes, but not identical. Facts are things

Re: [Discuss] BLU's SEO (Martin Owens)

2013-10-22 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 03:20:33PM -0400, Martin Owens wrote: So a) Marketing is not all bad and mostly quite necessary and b) Marketing is an intrusion so should be always considerate. Well said, sir. Well said. -- Derek D. Martinhttp://www.pizzashack.org/ GPG Key ID: 0xDFBEAD02

Re: [Discuss] [OT] BLU's SEO (Martin Owens)

2013-10-22 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 05:35:51PM -0400, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: All facts and truths come with caveats. There is no non-trivial thing that can be considered universally true or false. If one were to say Water is wet, a fundamental objective truth, it can be countered as steam is water

Re: [Discuss] [OT] BLU's SEO (Martin Owens)

2013-10-22 Thread Martin Owens
On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 19:25 -0500, Derek Martin wrote: Neither steam nor ice are water; water is liquid dihydrogen monoxide. Steam is gaseous dihydrogen monoxide, and ice is solid dihydrogen monoxide. Water is a chemical compound, It's 'water' in all states. Only lit. vernacular hints that it

Re: [Discuss] [OT] BLU's SEO (Martin Owens)

2013-10-22 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 08:46:36PM -0400, Martin Owens wrote: On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 19:25 -0500, Derek Martin wrote: Neither steam nor ice are water; water is liquid dihydrogen monoxide. Steam is gaseous dihydrogen monoxide, and ice is solid dihydrogen monoxide. Water is a chemical

Re: [Discuss] [OT] BLU's SEO (Martin Owens)

2013-10-22 Thread Martin Owens
On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 19:56 -0500, Derek Martin wrote: ALL definitions indicate that it is H2O in liquid form. Far more authoritative than Wikipedia IMO. Also FWIW that post was meant to be humerous. I often forget that my brand of humor is lost on most people, and omitted the

[Discuss] UEFI

2013-10-22 Thread Matthew Gillen
I realized that my home computers are getting a little long in the tooth, and I'm looking to build a new one (or two). A lot of new motherboards come with UEFI BIOSes. Does this mean anything to me in terms of linux? I'm pretty sure I can put it in 'legacy mode' to disable whatever protection