Re: [Discuss] Most common (or Most important) privacy leaks

2015-02-17 Thread Richard Pieri
So. Someone replied directly to me instead of the list suggesting that character length is an important factor in password security. Letter count is a pointless factor in password security. Four score and seven years ago is 30 characters and still trivially vulnerable to dictionary attacks.

[Discuss] Most common (or Most important) privacy leaks

2015-02-17 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
I see a lot of people and businesses out there, that just don't care about their own privacy. They email passwords to each other, W2's with salary and social security information, photocopies of drivers' licenses and passports to be used by HR to complete I-9 forms... As an IT person advising

Re: [Discuss] Most common (or Most important) privacy leaks

2015-02-17 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
From: Kent Borg [mailto:kentb...@borg.org] An only half facetious suggestion: write passwords down, but ONLY on $100 bills. Now guard them accordingly. LOL, I like it. Ironically, however, a tightly held $100 bill is worth precisely $0, because if you'll never spend it, then it's just

Re: [Discuss] Most common (or Most important) privacy leaks

2015-02-17 Thread Kent Borg
On 02/17/2015 08:42 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote: As an IT person advising a business to be more responsible, what areas do you advocate securing most urgently? IT admin credentials? HR records? Financial records? Other stuff? Simply everything, bar none? I would lower the priority

Re: [Discuss] Most common (or Most important) privacy leaks

2015-02-17 Thread Kent Borg
On 02/17/2015 12:25 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote: Agreed - however - in my experience, there is a high correlation between the use of bad passwords, and the use of insecure systems. The people who choose bad passwords are the same ones who email it to other people, or stick their ssh keys

Re: [Discuss] Most common (or Most important) privacy leaks

2015-02-17 Thread Matthew Gillen
On 02/17/2015 12:51 PM, Kent Borg wrote: I think the only way to fix the password problem is to get people to discard security theater and think and understand and be disciplined. But if you can fix the password problem, I think the next problems ~start~ to fix themselves. But I don't know,

Re: [Discuss] Most common (or Most important) privacy leaks

2015-02-17 Thread Kent Borg
On 02/17/2015 01:29 PM, Matthew Gillen wrote: Most of the people I want to think and understand are actually the people running systems that need passwords and coming up with obnoxious requirements for passwords that essentially force you to write everything down. But writing down passwords

Re: [Discuss] Most common (or Most important) privacy leaks

2015-02-17 Thread Kent Borg
Passwords have serious problems, but they are bit like the problems with one-time-pads: cumbersome but otherwise perfect. There is never going to be a generalized crack of the password system. Even with some fancy Quantum Cryptography, passwords are not about to suffer a catastrophic failure.

Re: [Discuss] Most common (or Most important) privacy leaks

2015-02-17 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Kent Borg Writing down passwords is good. Well, writing down passwords for a little while until you memorize it is good. Writing it down and keeping it around changes it from something you know, to something

Re: [Discuss] Most common (or Most important) privacy leaks

2015-02-17 Thread Matthew Gillen
On 02/17/2015 04:05 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote: All the talk about solving the password problem is interesting - but not related to the original question - What is the most common, or most important, area that you actually see people communicating insecurely, that should be secured?

Re: [Discuss] Most common (or Most important) privacy leaks

2015-02-17 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
All the talk about solving the password problem is interesting - but not related to the original question - What is the most common, or most important, area that you actually see people communicating insecurely, that should be secured? Email has got to be #1, and I'm guessing

Re: [Discuss] Most common (or Most important) privacy leaks

2015-02-17 Thread Kent Borg
On 02/17/2015 04:03 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote: Well, writing down passwords for a little while until you memorize it is good. Writing it down and keeping it around changes it from something you know, to something you have. You might as well write down a 256-bit random key, if you're

Re: [Discuss] Most common (or Most important) privacy leaks

2015-02-17 Thread Richard Pieri
On 2/17/2015 4:05 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote: What is the most common, or most important, area that you actually see people communicating insecurely, that should be secured? Email has got to be #1, and I'm guessing Dropbox/Box/Google Drive #2. Is that it? Or is there more? Given the