On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 14:38:44 -0500
Kent Borg kentb...@borg.org wrote:
That I can believe. That might be why the Foxconn workers are
sometimes thought to be less than happy.
They're actually paid quite well relative to China's general economy,
cost of living, and competition from Taiwan.
richard.pi...@gmail.com
To: discuss@blu.org
Subject: Re: [Discuss] [OT] Smart Phones
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 11:46:28 -0500
On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 14:38:44 -0500
Kent Borg kentb...@borg.org wrote:
That I can believe. That might be why the Foxconn workers are
sometimes thought to be less than happy.
They're
What the phone did so far today:
Upcoming snow storm report
email check
twitter check
calendar for dental exam
Oops, bad data in the calendar
street and office # for said exam
GPS to get to auto body place
car tunes while doing GPS
Useful stuff,
Doug
Greg Rundlett (freephile) g...@freephile.com noted:
The costs of smart phones are ridiculous.
I saw the Obama administration weighed in on one aspect of affordability this
week: after another government agency declared that lawsuits by carriers
against consumers who unlock their under-contract
On 03/05/2013 01:34 PM, Rich Braun wrote:
Sometime last year a major news organization (I think it was ABC)
announced that the build cost of an iPhone is US$8
That isn't plausible. Someone might have said it, but that doesn't make
it true.
-kb
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Kent Borg kentb...@borg.org wrote:
On 03/05/2013 01:34 PM, Rich Braun wrote:
Sometime last year a major news organization (I think it was ABC)
announced that the build cost of an iPhone is US$8
That isn't plausible. Someone might have said it, but that
On 03/05/2013 02:10 PM, Bill Bogstad wrote:
I believe that was actually the labor charges to assemble the iPhone
from parts/subassemblies. I'm pretty sure that I remember reading
something like that at the time. A quick google search finds at least
one estimate of $15 for cost to manufacture.
Rich Braun wrote:
I saw the Obama administration weighed in on one aspect of affordability this
week: after another government agency declared that lawsuits by carriers
against consumers who unlock their under-contract phones can go forward...
See:
White House: It's Time to Legalize
On Tue, 5 Mar 2013 16:49:41 -0500
Dan Ritter d...@randomstring.org wrote:
isupply and ifixit buy samples, identify all the parts, get
quotes from suppliers, and make reasonable estimates for
assembly costs and custom component costs. Then they show you
the various estimates that they make.
The costs of smart phones are ridiculous.
I like having one, and I just bought a Nexus 4 to simultaneously get an
advanced piece of hardware, avoid the lock-in of a contract and also lower
my long-term costs. I believe having a pocket computer is already a
necessity. But rather than help bridge
On 03/01/2013 10:32 PM, Bill Horne wrote:
The Amish elders don't forbid their flocks from using modern
technology: they just
keep it at arms length. They ask the faithful to avoid using
electricity, because it
requires men to work on the Sabbath, but when woodworking shops have a
legitimate
I think I was the last human being above the age of 16 to get a smart
phone. Android, of course. I think the people who claim that they are
life changing are using more than a bit of hyperbole. As I think about
it, it really isn't a phone so much as a wireless personal computer
that happens to
On 03/01/2013 08:31 AM, Mark Woodward wrote:
I think I was the last human being above the age of 16 to get a smart
phone. Android, of course. I think the people who claim that they are
life changing are using more than a bit of hyperbole.
But then you go on to describe how life changing it
On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 08:31:10 -0500
Mark Woodward ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote:
I think I was the last human being above the age of 16 to get a smart
phone. Android, of course. I think the people who claim that they are
life changing are using more than a bit of hyperbole.
It's a dopamine
On 03/01/2013 10:10 AM, Rich Pieri wrote:
It's a dopamine gadget. It's not life-changing.
Except really good dopamine gadgets (and dopamine drugs) ARE life-changing.
Don't underestimate some of the change we might take for granted. A ton
of practical stuff has changed in the last couple
On 03/01/2013 08:31 AM, Mark Woodward wrote:
I think I was the last human being above the age of 16 to get a smart
phone. Android, of course. I think the people who claim that they are
life changing are using more than a bit of hyperbole. As I think
about it, it really isn't a phone so much as
On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 10:35:05 -0500
Kent Borg kentb...@borg.org wrote:
Don't underestimate some of the change we might take for granted. A
Changing how you read the news from wood pulp to glowy bits isn't
life-changing. You're not changing your activities. You're still
reading the news. You're
Some of the uses of smartphones are life-changing in a more social
way. When I use my mobile map to make sure I reach a social
engagement, or to get transit schedules to reach an unfamiliar
location. When I check my email on the smartphone to catch last-minute
changes to a meeting location. When I
On 3/1/2013 10:42 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:
In the old days they had a single landline in a house shared by all
members of the family, and parents could snoop. Today, with text
messaging the device is portable so while their parents can check on
the bills and usage, they can't see anything
On Fri, 1 Mar 2013 11:21:28 -0500
Shirley Márquez Dúlcey m...@buttery.org wrote:
Some of the uses of smartphones are life-changing in a more social
way. When I use my mobile map to make sure I reach a social
engagement,
You could use a road atlas to do the same thing. Changed tool, not
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Rich Pieri richard.pi...@gmail.com wrote:
You could use a road atlas to do the same thing. Changed tool, not
changed activity.
Or a sextant!
or to get transit schedules to reach an unfamiliar location.
Same thing. It's certainly easier to get current
On 03/01/2013 11:47 AM, Rich Pieri wrote:
But again, the nature of the activity hasn't changed, just the tools
used to perform them.
You make sense, but at the expense of being sensible.
By your logic electric power and telegraph and trains and cars and radio
and TV and lasers and maybe even
Mark Woodward ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote:
I think I was the last human being above the age of 16 to get a smart
phone.
You're not the last. I still don't own one and perhaps never will. My days
are already jam-packed with technology; the last thing I desire is to carry
more technology around
Mark Woodward ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote:
I think I was the last human being above the age of 16 to get a smart
phone.
You're not the last. I still don't own one and perhaps never will. My
days
are already jam-packed with technology; the last thing I desire is to
carry
more technology
On 03/01/2013 12:52 PM, Daniel Barrett wrote:
You're not the last. I still don't own one and perhaps never will. My
days are already jam-packed with technology; the last thing I desire
is to carry more technology around with me.
I keep my phone on silent almost always, I pull it out when I
On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 12:44:25 -0500
Kent Borg kentb...@borg.org wrote:
You make sense, but at the expense of being sensible.
I counter by asserting that your sense of sensibility is what is
insensible. You've mixed up new tools like electric power with improved
tools like the horseless carriage.
I think that Rich Pieri has fallen into the trap of car-centric
thinking. If I were traveling by car I could carry an atlas, a GPS,
and a schedule, and get around without the smartphone. But I don't do
that; I have to carry everything with me because I move on foot, on a
bicycle, or on the T.
New ways of doing things don't work well unless, and until, a major fraction
of the affected population adopts them. Cellphones and other mobile
computing devices aren't in that zone yet: they are a /tool/, but not the
only one.
Bill Horne
Your choice to stick with older methods is fine if
On 3/1/2013 12:44 PM, Kent Borg wrote:
On 03/01/2013 11:47 AM, Rich Pieri wrote:
But again, the nature of the activity hasn't changed, just the tools
used to perform them.
You make sense, but at the expense of being sensible.
No disrespect, but I disagree.
By your logic electric power
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Bill Horne b...@horne.net wrote:
My wife, who is a nurse, has a friend who works in the Public Health Service
in Pennsylvania. They spent an unforgettable evening together in Lancaster,
talking over old classmates and old memories, while we sat on the porch of a
On March 1, 2013, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote:
You can read a book on a smart phone.
I'm glad it works for you, but reading a book on a screen is not to my
taste. I've tried it on Kindle and iPad and they both give me a
headache. YMMV.
... any job with responsibilities has the occasional need to
On Fri, 1 Mar 2013 14:32:49 -0500
Shirley Márquez Dúlcey m...@buttery.org wrote:
I think that Rich Pieri has fallen into the trap of car-centric
thinking.
Hardly. In fact, I have almost never used a car for daily commuting.
I've made a point of not doing so. I walk and use various MBTA
On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 14:53:56 -0500
Bill Horne b...@horne.net wrote:
I think the Amish have a better take on things: the limiting factor,
after all, is human evolution.
I don't think that I'd go quite that far. I'd be out of a job if I did
and then I'd be stuck for acquiring food, shelter and
On 3/1/2013 12:52 PM, Daniel Barrett wrote:
Mark Woodwardma...@mohawksoft.com wrote:
I think I was the last human being above the age of 16 to get a smart
phone.
You're not the last. I still don't own one and perhaps never will. My days
are already jam-packed with technology; the last thing
On 03/01/2013 03:39 PM, Daniel Barrett wrote:
On March 1, 2013, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote:
You can read a book on a smart phone.
I'm glad it works for you, but reading a book on a screen is not to my
taste. I've tried it on Kindle and iPad and they both give me a
headache. YMMV.
My 90 year
On 3/1/2013 2:56 PM, Gordon Marx wrote:
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Bill Horneb...@horne.net wrote:
My wife, who is a nurse, has a friend who works in the Public Health Service
in Pennsylvania. They spent an unforgettable evening together in Lancaster,
talking over old classmates and old
On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 03:49:55
j...@trillian.mit.edu wrote:
So I was hoping for a few other evaluations of phones, but that
hasn't appeared so far. Do others have suggestions for what are good
geek-friendly smart phones these days? I'm thinking of replacing my
old HTC-1 with something
So I was hoping for a few other evaluations of phones, but that
hasn't appeared so far. Do others have suggestions for what are good
geek-friendly smart phones these days? I'm thinking of replacing my
old HTC-1 with something better, and wondering if it's possible to
make sense of
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