Re: [Discuss] AeroFS

2014-07-01 Thread Richard Pieri
On 6/30/2014 6:25 PM, Greg Rundlett (freephile) wrote: One more mention: Git-Annex Assistant is completely open source, free and offers encryption. What does Git-Annex get you that Csync2 doesn't? -- Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org

Re: [Discuss] AeroFS

2014-06-30 Thread Greg Rundlett (freephile)
One more mention: Git-Annex Assistant is completely open source, free and offers encryption. I'm giving it a try to replace Ubuntu One (and also DropBox). cf. https://freephile.org/wiki/index.php/Git-annex Greg Rundlett http://eQuality-Tech.com http://freephile.org

Re: [Discuss] AeroFS

2014-04-21 Thread Tom Metro
Richard Pieri wrote: Tom Metro wrote: Uses closed-source, proprietary software. Nullifies the first point. Here's their Github repo: https://github.com/aerofs It's certainly not their entire code base but it's more than most of their competitors provide. I just browsed this and here's a

Re: [Discuss] AeroFS

2014-04-20 Thread Mike Small
Edward Ned Harvey (blu) b...@nedharvey.com writes: From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Tom Metro Uses closed-source, proprietary software. Nullifies the first point. Disagree. Both windows and mac are

Re: [Discuss] AeroFS

2014-04-20 Thread Richard Pieri
Mike Small wrote: How do you examine closed source crypto? It's a fair argument that the code being available isn't sufficient to have all its bugs (intentional or normal) found, but if the code's not available at all... That's both simple and not so simple: you compare what should be

Re: [Discuss] AeroFS

2014-04-20 Thread Richard Pieri
Tom Metro wrote: Also, on the proprietary side, there is a fairly new sync tool from BitTorrent, http://www.bittorrent.com/sync . I'm putting BTSync through it's paces now. Same data sets that I've been doing with Unison all along and tested with AeroFS. I think I like it. The UI is a

Re: [Discuss] AeroFS

2014-04-20 Thread Mike Small
Richard Pieri richard.pi...@gmail.com writes: Mike Small wrote: How do you examine closed source crypto? It's a fair argument that the code being available isn't sufficient to have all its bugs (intentional or normal) found, but if the code's not available at all... That's both simple and

Re: [Discuss] AeroFS

2014-04-20 Thread Richard Pieri
Mike Small wrote: So you're left with only black box testing. No static analysis tools, no runtime memory debuggers, no discussing the problem and the general code quality in public forums, no forking the project and trimming the awful 300,000 lines down to something more manageable with the

Re: [Discuss] AeroFS

2014-04-20 Thread Kent Borg
On 04/19/2014 05:23 PM, Tom Metro wrote: If the encryption is done properly, and can be verified, it doesn't matter where your bits are stored. Yes, but... Two quibbles: First quibble applies to all encryption and information security: Is the rest of the system sound? If your keys are poor,

Re: [Discuss] AeroFS

2014-04-20 Thread Mike Small
Richard Pieri richard.pi...@gmail.com writes: Mike Small wrote: So you're left with only black box testing. No static analysis tools, no runtime memory debuggers, no discussing the problem and the general code quality in public forums, no forking the project and trimming the awful 300,000

Re: [Discuss] AeroFS

2014-04-20 Thread Richard Pieri
Mike Small wrote: vs. proprietary software in general. I question your response that seemed to be saying black box testing is everything since whitebox testing, code scanning and auditing are also obviously useful, but mostly because I don't see how it protects you from purposeful Auditing

Re: [Discuss] AeroFS

2014-04-20 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
From: Mike Small [mailto:sma...@panix.com] Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 11:20 AM Then don't use closed source OSes? LOL, yeah, my point. ;-) (Just to strip the potential for any misunderstanding, this is sarcasm. The idea of only supporting open source OSes is ridiculous, especially

Re: [Discuss] AeroFS

2014-04-20 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
From: Mike Small [mailto:sma...@panix.com] Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 11:20 AM How do you examine closed source crypto? Actually, here's a real good point: I did /not/ read the Truecrypt or Keepass source, in order to determine their strengths and weaknesses. I know from documentation

Re: [Discuss] AeroFS

2014-04-19 Thread Tom Metro
Richard Pieri wrote: So I'm giving AeroFS a spin. Uses client-side encryption. Good. Uses closed-source, proprietary software. Nullifies the first point. None of my data is ever stored on their servers... If the encryption is done properly, and can be verified, it doesn't matter where your

Re: [Discuss] AeroFS

2014-04-19 Thread Richard Pieri
Tom Metro wrote: Uses closed-source, proprietary software. Nullifies the first point. Here's their Github repo: https://github.com/aerofs It's certainly not their entire code base but it's more than most of their competitors provide. Encryption and certificates are OpenSSL. If the

Re: [Discuss] AeroFS

2014-04-19 Thread Bill Ricker
On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Richard Pieri richard.pi...@gmail.comwrote: Dropbox for example does the encryption properly but they can and do hand over the keys to law enforcement upon request. ​If you can hand over keys, you're not doing it right ! ​ -- Bill Ricker

Re: [Discuss] AeroFS

2014-04-19 Thread Richard Pieri
Bill Ricker wrote: ​If you can hand over keys, you're not doing it right ! ​ Doing it right is not the same thing as being trustworthy. -- Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

Re: [Discuss] AeroFS

2014-04-19 Thread Bill Ricker
On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Richard Pieri richard.pi...@gmail.comwrote: Doing it right is not the same thing as being trustworthy. ​any cryptography with keys held by third-parties breaks Ben Franklin's dictum that a secret can be kept by 3 only if 2 are dead. ​ ​(sadly the current CA

Re: [Discuss] AeroFS

2014-04-19 Thread Richard Pieri
Bill Ricker wrote: ​any cryptography with keys held by third-parties breaks Ben Franklin's dictum that a secret can be kept by 3 only if 2 are dead. ​ Which is a matter of trust rather than of implementation. Like I said. ​(sadly the current CA PKI is little better, you'd be shocked whose CA

Re: [Discuss] AeroFS

2014-04-19 Thread Tom Metro
Richard Pieri wrote: Tom Metro wrote: Uses closed-source, proprietary software. Nullifies the first point. Here's their Github repo: https://github.com/aerofs Excellent. They certainly didn't make that easy to find on their site. (Though admittedly I didn't spent much time looking.) If you

Re: [Discuss] AeroFS

2014-04-19 Thread Bill Ricker
On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Richard Pieri richard.pi...@gmail.comwrote: Which is a matter of trust rather than of implementation. Like I said. ​I am not talking Implementation but Requirements. ​ Deaf ears.​ ​Quite. ​ -- Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com

Re: [Discuss] AeroFS

2014-04-19 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Tom Metro Uses closed-source, proprietary software. Nullifies the first point. Disagree. Both windows and mac are closed-source OSes, which provide standard crypto libraries to

Re: [Discuss] AeroFS

2014-04-19 Thread Richard Pieri
Tom Metro wrote: If you are syncing files among machines that are all within your firewall, you may not even care about file encryption. Wire encryption may be adequate, and even that may not be needed. BYOD means anyone can sniff the wire, and WiFi everywhere is tantamount to letting the