Re: [Discuss] Ext4, ugh! Re: Disk recovery utilities - dealing with deleted files

2013-02-06 Thread Rich Pieri
On Wed, 06 Feb 2013 09:41:39 -0500 Derek Atkins wrote: > Sounds like you want RAID1.. NO. NO. NO. A THOUSAND TIMES, NO! RAID provides no data integrity. None. Zilch. Zero. Nada. Given two mirrored disks A and B. If you accidentally run a recursive delete like Rich did then your data is gone

Re: [Discuss] Ext4, ugh! Re: Disk recovery utilities - dealing with deleted files

2013-02-06 Thread Derek Atkins
"Rich Braun" writes: > Edward Ned Harvey (blu) stated: >>> Well, ext4 performs so much better. If the only risk is the lack of >>> availability of undelete tools, then I say, the better solution is to use >>> ext4 and backups. > > Jack echoed: >> Ed, that seems like a better approach for most us

Re: [Discuss] Ext4, ugh! Re: Disk recovery utilities - dealing with deleted files

2013-02-05 Thread Rich Pieri
On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 11:57:02 -0500 Rich Pieri wrote: > have 3Gbps or faster disks. Then you get the snapshot mechanism which > can help protect against accidental erasures. Which I just did. I had taken BitBleach for a test drive and started it doing a deep clean which cleans up Emacs backup file

Re: [Discuss] Ext4, ugh! Re: Disk recovery utilities - dealing with deleted files

2013-02-05 Thread Rich Pieri
On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 08:37:34 -0800 "Rich Braun" wrote: > I think I'm out of options, and have lost about 400GB that hadn't yet > been backed up. But I'll keep that terabyte volume around just in > case it's ever retrievable. Meanwhile I mean what I say about not > using ext4 for this use case an

Re: [Discuss] Ext4, ugh! Re: Disk recovery utilities - dealing with deleted files

2013-02-05 Thread Rich Braun
Tom suggested: > You tried 'foremost' ? Foremost found only the .png files, and didn't find any .mpg files. I may be able to retry it in some other way, but I'd need more tech info about it. > These tools are designed to sift through unallocated space on a > drive and recognize common file struc

Re: [Discuss] Ext4, ugh! Re: Disk recovery utilities - dealing with deleted files

2013-02-05 Thread Rich Braun
Edward Ned Harvey (blu) stated: >> Well, ext4 performs so much better. If the only risk is the lack of >> availability of undelete tools, then I say, the better solution is to use >> ext4 and backups. Jack echoed: > Ed, that seems like a better approach for most uses. But think about my use case

Re: [Discuss] Ext4, ugh! Re: Disk recovery utilities - dealing with deleted files

2013-02-05 Thread Rich Pieri
On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 13:41:10 + "Edward Ned Harvey (blu)" wrote: > Well, ext4 performs so much better. If the only risk is the lack of > availability of undelete tools, then I say, the better solution is to > use ext4 and backups. IME, ext4 does not perform "so much better" than ext3. Sometim

Re: [Discuss] Ext4, ugh! Re: Disk recovery utilities - dealing with deleted files

2013-02-05 Thread Jack Coats
Ed, that seems like a better approach for most uses. I was doing a backup system for an employer, and we had a 'large' linux server with enough memory, so I used EXT2 for the file system, because 3 and 4 even more so used more disk space for their cache to increase performance. I liked having the

Re: [Discuss] Ext4, ugh! Re: Disk recovery utilities - dealing with deleted files

2013-02-05 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- > bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Rich Braun > > It's starting to look to me like the bottom line is this: > > DO *NOT* USE EXT4! > > There are a handful of well-documented utilities available for recovering ext

Re: [Discuss] Ext4, ugh! Re: Disk recovery utilities - dealing with deleted files

2013-02-05 Thread jbk
On 02/05/2013 02:27 AM, Tom Metro wrote: Rich Braun wrote: There are a handful of well-documented utilities available for recovering ext3 volumes, and pretty much nothing for ext4. The ones that claim support for ext4 give no meaningful debugging output, and rely solely on contents of a journal

Re: [Discuss] Ext4, ugh! Re: Disk recovery utilities - dealing with deleted files

2013-02-04 Thread Tom Metro
Rich Braun wrote: > There are a handful of well-documented utilities available for recovering ext3 > volumes, and pretty much nothing for ext4. The ones that claim support for > ext4 give no meaningful debugging output, and rely solely on contents of a > journal that's apparently gone. You tried

[Discuss] Ext4, ugh! Re: Disk recovery utilities - dealing with deleted files

2013-02-04 Thread Rich Braun
It's starting to look to me like the bottom line is this: DO *NOT* USE EXT4! There are a handful of well-documented utilities available for recovering ext3 volumes, and pretty much nothing for ext4. The ones that claim support for ext4 give no meaningful debugging output, and rely solely on co