Re: [Discuss] Gnome Shell menubar compared to Ubuntu Unity?

2012-11-21 Thread Colin Walters
Hi John, On Fri, 2012-11-16 at 18:18 -0500, John Abreau wrote: I just tried installing Ubuntu 12.10 on my Windows 7 laptop using WUBI, and after googling for focus-follows-mouse, I found instructions that suggested also uninstalling appmenu-*. The focus mode is controlled by this gsetting:

Re: [Discuss] Gnome Shell menubar compared to Ubuntu Unity?

2012-11-18 Thread Jerry Feldman
At the moment, Gnome works for me with a few added extensions. As I posted before, every new version of Gnome requires that I obtain these extensions because the gnome API seems to change. In any case, I prefer Gnome to Unity and KDE. On 11/17/2012 08:42 AM, John Abreau wrote: I'll have to try

Re: [Discuss] Gnome Shell menubar compared to Ubuntu Unity?

2012-11-17 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 11/16/2012 06:43 PM, Matthew Gillen wrote: On 11/16/2012 6:18 PM, John Abreau wrote: I just tried installing Ubuntu 12.10 on my Windows 7 laptop using WUBI, and after googling for focus-follows-mouse, I found instructions that suggested also uninstalling appmenu-*. When I gave that a try,

Re: [Discuss] Gnome Shell menubar compared to Ubuntu Unity?

2012-11-17 Thread John Abreau
I'll have to try it again. I had given up in frustration and switched to xfce a while back, and stuck with xfce when I upgraded to 17. On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org wrote: On 11/16/2012 06:43 PM, Matthew Gillen wrote: On 11/16/2012 6:18 PM, John Abreau wrote: I

[Discuss] Gnome Shell menubar compared to Ubuntu Unity?

2012-11-16 Thread John Abreau
I just tried installing Ubuntu 12.10 on my Windows 7 laptop using WUBI, and after googling for focus-follows-mouse, I found instructions that suggested also uninstalling appmenu-*. When I gave that a try, after logging out and logging in again, it put the menus back into the individual apps,

Re: [Discuss] Gnome Shell menubar compared to Ubuntu Unity?

2012-11-16 Thread Matthew Gillen
On 11/16/2012 6:18 PM, John Abreau wrote: I just tried installing Ubuntu 12.10 on my Windows 7 laptop using WUBI, and after googling for focus-follows-mouse, I found instructions that suggested also uninstalling appmenu-*. When I gave that a try, after logging out and logging in again, it

Re: [Discuss] Gnome Shell - update

2012-07-07 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 06/28/2012 03:31 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: On 06/28/2012 10:15 AM, Bill Cattey wrote: I too have found Gnome 3 to be primarily a design based on some simplification dogma uninformed by usability experience or testing. The most glaring example of this is how the panel was simplified away,

Re: [Discuss] Gnome Shell

2012-06-29 Thread John Abreau
The fact that this type of failure is business as usual doesn't make it any less of a failure. The business as usual aspect just makes it worse. On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Richard Pieri richard.pi...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/28/2012 3:31 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: The 3 major issues I see

[Discuss] Gnome Shell

2012-06-28 Thread Jerry Feldman
When Gnome 3 came out, I was a bit disappointed, but I was able to obtain some really cool extensions from Finnbarr Murphy. There extensions allowed me to customize Gnome 3 to add things like a shutdown command on the menu, and a few other nice things. Unfortunately the Gnome developers have made

Re: [Discuss] Gnome Shell

2012-06-28 Thread John Abreau
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Bill Cattey w...@mit.edu wrote: I tried to keep an open mind.  I've used different desktop interfaces for more than 20 years, and have discovered several that seemed problematic initially, but showed value over time.  The more I used Gnome 3, the more I've

Re: [Discuss] Gnome Shell

2012-06-28 Thread Chris O'Connell
I suspect the people who developed Gnome3 didn't understand their audience. I think they may have been trying to attract new, and less technical users. By doing so the developers have alienated their existing user base. The reality is that most users will not be technical enough to use Linux in

Re: [Discuss] Gnome Shell

2012-06-28 Thread Matthew Gillen
On 06/28/2012 07:40 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: In my own case, that means If I want to keep using these extensions, I will either have to maintain them myself or maybe switch to KDE. Yeah, I recently switched back to KDE after a long hiatus. I stopped using KDE for a long time just because at

Re: [Discuss] Gnome Shell

2012-06-28 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 11:35:05AM -0400, Matthew Gillen wrote: Put man:pthread or man:signal or info:bash in the address bar. Far and away the only tolerable way I've found to navigate info pages. My personal favorite (suggested by someone else on this list a few years ago, if memory serves)

Re: [Discuss] Gnome Shell

2012-06-28 Thread Guy Gold
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Chris O'Connell omegah...@gmail.com wrote: The reality is that most users will not be technical enough to use Linux This maybe true to some time ago. Seeing the advancements that Ubuntu has made, I would gladly install it for a novice user . However , Fedora's

Re: [Discuss] Gnome Shell

2012-06-28 Thread Tom Metro
John Abreau wrote: Bill Cattey wrote: The more I used Gnome 3, the more I've come to believe, They've got it completely wrong and I need to get it off my computer. Indeed. Gnome 3 has been a spectacular failure. That's disappointing. How about Cinnamon? -Tom -- Tom Metro Venture Logic,

Re: [Discuss] Gnome Shell

2012-06-28 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 06/28/2012 10:15 AM, Bill Cattey wrote: I too have found Gnome 3 to be primarily a design based on some simplification dogma uninformed by usability experience or testing. The most glaring example of this is how the panel was simplified away, and replaced by the horrendous behavior of,

Re: [Discuss] Gnome Shell

2012-06-28 Thread Charlie Bennett
On Thu, 2012-06-28 at 15:31 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote: On 06/28/2012 10:15 AM, Bill Cattey wrote: I too have found Gnome 3 to be primarily a design based on some simplification dogma uninformed by usability experience or testing. The most glaring example of this is how the panel was