Re: [Discuss] Software Engineering redux

2012-01-23 Thread Daniel C.
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: > No, we all do not accept this assertion. Then I apologize for mischaracterizing.  I meant it more as a segue from one conversation to the next than as an assignment of belief. On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Tom Metro wrote: > That's not

Re: [Discuss] Software Engineering redux

2012-01-23 Thread Richard Pieri
On Jan 23, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Tom Metro wrote: > > That's not to say there wouldn't be value to a separate certification > for "life-critical software engineering" for those working in fields > where that is applicable. This is a hidden slippery slope. Is the FreeBSD kernel a "life-critical appl

Re: [Discuss] Software Engineering redux

2012-01-23 Thread Tom Metro
Daniel C. wrote: > What I am curious about is what a standard in software engineering > would look like... > > On a more general level, what would the goals of such a standard be? > > Obviously "writing programs that don't kill people" is one of them, > but what else? Actually, it wouldn't, but

Re: [Discuss] Software Engineering redux

2012-01-23 Thread john saylor
hello world! On 1/23/12 2:55 PM, Daniel C. wrote: So, we all accept that the title Professional Engineer [deleted] On 01/23/2012 03:09 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: No, we all do not accept this assertion. a better engineer would have validated that assertion before continuing. -- http://or8.n

Re: [Discuss] Software Engineering redux

2012-01-23 Thread Richard Pieri
On 1/23/12 2:55 PM, Daniel C. wrote: So, we all accept that the title Professional Engineer (the one with the specific legal meaning - not the lowercase engineering that we all do every time we write a program) does not apply to what we as software developers do. No, we all do not accept this a

[Discuss] Software Engineering redux

2012-01-23 Thread Daniel C.
So, we all accept that the title Professional Engineer (the one with the specific legal meaning - not the lowercase engineering that we all do every time we write a program) does not apply to what we as software developers do. (It would be difficult to argue with this since there is no Professiona