On 10/02/2011 02:52 PM, Richard Pieri wrote:
On Oct 2, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Greg Rundlett (freephile) wrote:
(I've only just now read the last several posts, after already composing a
message, because the topic had changed and thus the thread changed in my
mail reader. I'm not piling on, but am
On Oct 2, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Greg Rundlett (freephile) wrote:
(I've only just now read the last several posts, after already composing a
message, because the topic had changed and thus the thread changed in my
mail reader. I'm not piling on, but am glad to hear the strong support for
Thanks Derek for this great video. I took the time to listen to the whole
clip. With all my respect to RMS, I have to say he did not make a good case on
why all software patents are invalid. Owners of software patents can be a
threat to open source developers. However, there's no law
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Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Discuss] The America Invents Act
What we need is a evidenciary quality priorart.org repository where open
source software is stored, made public, and has a legally verifiable
submission date
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 06:59:50AM -0700, Hsuan-Yeh Chang wrote:
The best priorart.org for all industry is patft.uspto.gov. My view is
that the open source community should file more patent applications.
International treatise requires that all patent applications be published
after being
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Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Discuss] The America Invents Act
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 06:59:50AM -0700, Hsuan-Yeh Chang wrote:
The best priorart.org for all industry is patft.uspto.gov. My view is
that the open source community should file more patent
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 06:59:50AM -0700, Hsuan-Yeh Chang wrote:
The best priorart.org for all industry is patft.uspto.gov. My
view is that the open source community should file more patent
applications.
This is just crazy talk, because typically OSS engineers lack the
expertise to write
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Hsuan-Yeh Chang hsuan...@yahoo.comwrote:
2. Apparently, engineering schools should consider opening at some courses
on patent and copyright laws for future engineers. Filing a patent
application doesn't mean you should ultimately pursue and get a patent. A
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 08:42:42AM -0700, Hsuan-Yeh Chang wrote:
1. To me, trying to convince the Congress to get rid of software
patents is no less crazier than my suggestions.
It isn't: Your suggestion goes against both logic and human nature.
There will always be a small contingency of
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 08:07:43AM -0700, Hsuan-Yeh Chang wrote:
This has been changed by AIA and recent court decisions. See, for example,
http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/2011/02/patent-reform-act-of-2011-an-overview.html
Below are some quotes from above link:
[...]
What you said has been
of this country...
HYC
From: Derek Martin inva...@pizzashack.org
To: Hsuan-Yeh Chang hsuan...@yahoo.com
Cc: discuss@blu.org discuss@blu.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Discuss] The America Invents Act
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 08:07:43AM -0700
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Patent+it+yourself
HYC on the go
在 Sep 28, 2011 3:32 PM 時，Matthew Gillen m...@mattgillen.net 寫到：
On 09/28/2011 03:10 PM, Hsuan-Yeh Chang wrote:
I also think you miss my point. By filing a patent application and
getting it published, your Examiner friend would have
On Wed, 28 Sep 2011, Hsuanyeh Chang wrote:
they can get a patent application published and serve for prior
art purposes for less than $200 of official fee (if less than 100
pages)... If the open source developer is rich enough to pursue
a patent, then he/she is free to grant or donate a
On 09/28/2011 02:13 PM, Hsuan-Yeh Chang wrote:
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was a lawyer and he ended segregation in the
United States. There are countless number of lawyers who have contributed
to the advances of this country...
Hsuan-Yeh,
Not that its is really that important to this
Sorry folks for wasting you so much time on this thread. Please, if you could,
remove all my words in this mailing list. (Can I close source when I once
opened it?)
I believe I have accidentaly entered into a terrain where I should not have
entered. I will try to unsubscribe from the list
On 9/28/2011 2:13 PM, Hsuan-Yeh Chang wrote:
Thanks for challenging my point of view by attacking my profession.
Does this mean that Derek guessed right and you really are a lawyer, not
a software engineer? I'm not implying that you're not welcome here, but
since most participants here are
Please do not copy me any further email messages from the list. I have said
what I wanted to say. If you still respect copyrght law, please delete all my
words in the thread as I am closing source. You believe what you believe. My
passion with open source has technically being ended. So
MBR m...@arlsoft.com asked:
Does this mean that Derek guessed right and you really are a
lawyer, not a software engineer? I'm not implying that you're
not welcome here, but since most participants here are
programmers, system administrators, or the like, that's who we
assume we're talking to
On 9/28/2011 7:33 PM, Hsuanyeh Chang wrote:
Sorry folks for wasting you so much time on this thread. Please, if
you could, remove all my words in this mailing list. (Can I close
source when I once opened it?)
I believe I have accidentaly entered into a terrain where I should
not have entered.
-...@vl.com
To: L-blu discuss@blu.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:44 PM
Subject: [Discuss] The America Invents Act
Rich Braun wrote:
The America Invents Act of 16-Sep-2011 is about to make things a
whole lot worse for future open-source dev, I fear.
I haven't read the details of the act. Can
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Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:44 PM
Subject: [Discuss] The America Invents Act
Rich Braun wrote:
The America Invents Act of 16-Sep-2011 is about to make things a
whole lot worse for future open-source dev, I fear.
I haven't read the details of the act. Can you elaborate
On 9/27/2011 3:55 PM, Hsuan-Yeh Chang wrote:
I don't understand how first to invent favors entrepreneurs, while first to file
favors trolls. If independent inventors do not commercialize their own inventions, they would be considered
as trolls. AIA still keeps provisional application
public's fear of AIA is a mere dread of changes.
HYC
From: Shirley Márquez Dúlcey m...@buttery.org
To: discuss@blu.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Discuss] The America Invents Act
On 9/27/2011 3:55 PM, Hsuan-Yeh Chang wrote:
I don't
On 9/27/2011 3:55 PM, Hsuan-Yeh Chang wrote:
I don't understand how first to invent favors entrepreneurs, while
first to file favors trolls.
Taking this thread back around to my original assertion, that this new law is
likely to chill open-source development: the whole point of open-source is
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 02:58:36PM -0700, Hsuan-Yeh Chang wrote:
2. Have you tried to file and prosecute a software patent
application with the Patent Office? You would then know how
difficult it is to pass mustard with those Examiners to get a
software patent allowed. I support strongly
I favor a return to the model requirement. When one submits a patent for an
invention one must include a functioning model of the invention.
--Rich P.
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On 9/27/2011 7:47 PM, Derek Martin wrote:
No it doesn't; there are much, much better arguments why all software
patents should be invalid. If you have 96 minutes to spend, rms has
given a very good talk on that very topic:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=669200964006594520
Pieri richard.pi...@gmail.com
Cc: discuss@blu.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Discuss] The America Invents Act
There are two things that are needed to improve patents for open source.
(1) A codification that publication prior to patent submission of
algorithms
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