Re: [Discuss] USB thumbdrive, Linux only usage: FAT vs NTFS vs other? TRIM support?

2013-03-01 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of John Abreau find /path/to/thumb drive -xdev -type f -exec chmod 666 '{}' ';' find /path/to/thumb drive -xdev -type d -exec chmod 777 '{}' ';' You could do the same thing with

Re: [Discuss] USB thumbdrive, Linux only usage: FAT vs NTFS vs other? TRIM support?

2013-02-28 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 02/28/2013 12:00 AM, Rich Pieri wrote: On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:55:29 -0600 Derek Martin inva...@pizzashack.org wrote: Additionally, if your work desktop is shared, i.e. other users can log into it over the network, doing this will enable ANYONE to access all your files on the usb disk. From

Re: [Discuss] USB thumbdrive, Linux only usage: FAT vs NTFS vs other? TRIM support?

2013-02-28 Thread Rich Pieri
On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 07:27:04 -0500 Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org wrote: USB thumb drives are inherently insecure without encryption. It does They're also inherently insecure with full disk encryption. Once mounted, anyone who has access to the system has access to the files on the device. But,

Re: [Discuss] USB thumbdrive, Linux only usage: FAT vs NTFS vs other? TRIM support?

2013-02-28 Thread Shirley Márquez Dúlcey
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Rich Pieri richard.pi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 07:27:04 -0500 Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org wrote: USB thumb drives are inherently insecure without encryption. It does They're also inherently insecure with full disk encryption. Once mounted,

Re: [Discuss] USB thumbdrive, Linux only usage: FAT vs NTFS vs other? TRIM support?

2013-02-28 Thread Rich Pieri
On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:35:59 -0500 Shirley Márquez Dúlcey m...@buttery.org wrote: Two different security issues are being conflated here. No, they're not. They're the same security issue. A mounted file system's security is only as good as the access control provided by the host. But then, the

Re: [Discuss] USB thumbdrive, Linux only usage: FAT vs NTFS vs other? TRIM support?

2013-02-28 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:00:03AM -0500, Rich Pieri wrote: On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:55:29 -0600 Derek Martin inva...@pizzashack.org wrote: Additionally, if your work desktop is shared, i.e. other users can log into it over the network, doing this will enable ANYONE to access all your

Re: [Discuss] USB thumbdrive, Linux only usage: FAT vs NTFS vs other? TRIM support?

2013-02-28 Thread Rich Pieri
On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:51:10 -0600 Derek Martin inva...@pizzashack.org wrote: It's very different. With a FAT filesystem, the OS gives you the option to specify the UID/GUID to mount with, so YOU DO NOT NEED TO MAKE THE FILES WORLD READABLE/WRITABLE. AFAIK you can't do that with any other

Re: [Discuss] USB thumbdrive, Linux only usage: FAT vs NTFS vs other? TRIM support?

2013-02-27 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 07:08:14PM -0500, Matthew Gillen wrote: On 2/25/2013 10:19 PM, Tom Metro wrote: Matthew Gillen wrote: Create a single directory in the root of the thumb drive, and give that world-write and group-write, then give it set-group-ID bit ('chmod g+s dirname'). Every

Re: [Discuss] USB thumbdrive, Linux only usage: FAT vs NTFS vs other? TRIM support?

2013-02-27 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 05:45:47PM -0600, Derek Martin wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 07:08:14PM -0500, Matthew Gillen wrote: It doesn't matter. The files (even new ones you're attempting to write) always inherit the GID of the parent dir. It's just an integer. True, it won't map to a

Re: [Discuss] USB thumbdrive, Linux only usage: FAT vs NTFS vs other? TRIM support?

2013-02-27 Thread Rich Pieri
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:55:29 -0600 Derek Martin inva...@pizzashack.org wrote: Additionally, if your work desktop is shared, i.e. other users can log into it over the network, doing this will enable ANYONE to access all your files on the usb disk. From their desktop. Without you knowing. How

Re: [Discuss] USB thumbdrive, Linux only usage: FAT vs NTFS vs other? TRIM support?

2013-02-26 Thread Matthew Gillen
On 2/25/2013 10:19 PM, Tom Metro wrote: Matthew Gillen wrote: Create a single directory in the root of the thumb drive, and give that world-write and group-write, then give it set-group-ID bit ('chmod g+s dirname'). Every file created will inherit the group-id of the original directory...

[Discuss] USB thumbdrive, Linux only usage: FAT vs NTFS vs other? TRIM support?

2013-02-25 Thread Brendan Kidwell
I bought a 16GB USB thumbdrive from Staples last week to use as a shuttle for some documents, scripts, and programs' data folders that will be used on my desktop and my laptop in turns. I'll probably be giving Stan's Data Bag project ( http://www.data-bag.org/ ) a spin, too. I feel like a cargo

Re: [Discuss] USB thumbdrive, Linux only usage: FAT vs NTFS vs other? TRIM support?

2013-02-25 Thread Matthew Gillen
On 02/25/2013 12:18 PM, Brendan Kidwell wrote: I have had trouble with using Unix-native filesystems on portable drives in the past, instead of vFAT, because the OS wants to record owners to objects and those owners don't make any sense on another machine. Is there a simple workaround for that?

Re: [Discuss] USB thumbdrive, Linux only usage: FAT vs NTFS vs other? TRIM support?

2013-02-25 Thread Brendan Kidwell
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Matthew Gillen m...@mattgillen.net wrote: On 02/25/2013 12:18 PM, Brendan Kidwell wrote: I have had trouble with using Unix-native filesystems on portable drives in the past, instead of vFAT, because the OS wants to record owners to objects and those owners

Re: [Discuss] USB thumbdrive, Linux only usage: FAT vs NTFS vs other? TRIM support?

2013-02-25 Thread Rich Pieri
On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 12:18:36 -0500 Brendan Kidwell bren...@glump.net wrote: For Linux-only use, what filesystem should I use? vFAT/FAT32 is clearly the standard, but doesn't it use unreasonably large allocation block sizes? For Linux only I advise using ext2. Yes, ext2.The ext3 and ext4

Re: [Discuss] USB thumbdrive, Linux only usage: FAT vs NTFS vs other? TRIM support?

2013-02-25 Thread Tom Metro
Matthew Gillen wrote: Create a single directory in the root of the thumb drive, and give that world-write and group-write, then give it set-group-ID bit ('chmod g+s dirname'). Every file created will inherit the group-id of the original directory... How does that help if the numeric GIDs