On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:06:49AM -0400, Matthew Gillen wrote:
It is true for many apps that are merely better interfaces to a website
than the website normally has. However, there are some things that would
be a PITA to do in HTML5 that would work across browsers (and by that I
mean the
On 08/11/2011 10:06 AM, Matthew Gillen wrote:
Another complicating factor is that there are several artificial market
distortions that may drive this one way or the other regardless of the
technical merits. For instance, the rule Apple is trying to enforce
about taxing in-app purchases could
On 8/11/11 9:41 AM, Ben Eisenbraun wrote:
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 10:48:46PM -0500, Ben Eisenbraun wrote:
As soon as I heard about Apple's 30% take and price-matched inside/outside
app purchases, I figured Amazon must have a roomful of coders trying to
build Kindle Reader as an HTML 5 web
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Matthew Gillen m...@mattgillen.net wrote:
Another complicating factor is that there are several artificial market
distortions that may drive this one way or the other regardless of the
technical merits. For instance, the rule Apple is trying to enforce
about
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 10:48:46PM -0500, Ben Eisenbraun wrote:
As soon as I heard about Apple's 30% take and price-matched inside/outside
app purchases, I figured Amazon must have a roomful of coders trying to
build Kindle Reader as an HTML 5 web app.
From: discuss-boun...@blu.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@blu.org] On Behalf
Of Jerry Feldman
David has an iPhone not an Android. I have an ATT Android. You can
certainly install any Android app from the Android command line using
the adb command. The real issue is that you cannot uninstall the
On 02/24/2011 07:59 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
From: discuss-boun...@blu.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@blu.org] On Behalf
Of Jerry Feldman
David has an iPhone not an Android. I have an ATT Android. You can
certainly install any Android app from the Android command line using
the adb command.
On Feb 24, 2011, at 10:14 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
I understand that. Question still stands. What happens if you try?
The exact same thing that happens on every other Android device with Unknown
sources unchecked.
--Rich P.
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Discuss
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Edward Ned Harvey b...@nedharvey.com wrote:
Since I hear a number of people here using android on t-mobile or att, I'll
just mention... I recently switched from t-mobile to metropcs, and I love
it. Unlimited everything for $50/mo (including taxes and
Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
Since I hear a number of people here using android on t-mobile or att, I'll
just mention... I recently switched from t-mobile to metropcs, and I love
it. Unlimited everything for $50/mo (including taxes and everything) and no
contracts.
I was intrigued by that,
On 02/22/2011 09:17 PM, David Kramer wrote:
Since that was both shocking and a big problem for me, I did do a lot of
fact checking when I made the initial decision two years ago, including
berating several ATT salesdroids. I verified it was still the case
before replacing my non-waterproof
From: discuss-boun...@blu.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@blu.org] On Behalf
Of Scott Ehrlich
How would you compare price and coverage of MetroPCS to T-Mobile's
prepaid $100 for 1000 minutes per year, whichever (minutes or money)
is used first?
The only think I know about t-mobile's plan is
On 2/23/2011 6:06 AM, Scott Ehrlich wrote:
How would you compare price and coverage of MetroPCS to T-Mobile's
prepaid $100 for 1000 minutes per year, whichever (minutes or money)
is used first?
Comparing apples and oranges. The prepaid T-Mobile plan is great for
people who don't use the
From: discuss-boun...@blu.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@blu.org] On Behalf
Of Jerry Feldman
basis. I was initially told by a sales droid that there would be a cold
day in Hell before ATT would sell and Android. Most of the employees
in the cell phone stores really do not know the phones very
From: discuss-boun...@blu.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@blu.org] On Behalf
Of Mark J Dulcey
better. The REAL dealbreaker for me was their dysfunctional voicemail
system; the command keys were dead while a message was playing so you
had to listen to the entirety of each message before you
On 02/23/2011 09:22 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
I had a Best Buy sales dufus tell me the 16G flash card would take better
photos than the 8G flash card. ;-)
Yeah :-). The sales people are generally not that technically
knowledgeable. I found people at the ATT store in Needham (this is a
From: discuss-boun...@blu.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@blu.org] On Behalf
Of Jarod Wilson
Just for the sake of clarity, most of this GV functionality is not
unique to Android. You can do the bulk of the same things on multiple
mobile platforms.
http://www.google.com/mobile/voice/
If you
From: discuss-boun...@blu.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@blu.org] On Behalf
Of Edward Ned Harvey
From: discuss-boun...@blu.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@blu.org] On
Behalf
Of David Kramer
To the best of my knowledge, and certainly a year or so ago when I had
to make this decision, stock
From: discuss-boun...@blu.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@blu.org] On Behalf
Of David Kramer
ATT modifies
their Android phones so you can't install software from anywhere else
What would be the motivation for ATT to do such a thing? Does this
statement warrant a fact-check?
On Feb 22, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
What would be the motivation for ATT to do such a thing?
Control.
Does this statement warrant a fact-check?
http://androidcommunity.com/att-android-owners-can-now-side-load-apps-20100722/
Generally, ask Google about android and sideload.
On 02/22/2011 09:51 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
From: discuss-boun...@blu.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@blu.org] On Behalf
Of David Kramer
ATT modifies
their Android phones so you can't install software from anywhere else
What would be the motivation for ATT to do such a thing? Does this
On 02/22/2011 10:09 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:
David has an ATT Android phone. He's competent to make such a
proclamation.
Also, it has been widely reported in Engadget, Gizmodo, Ars
Technica, blah, blah, blah.
If you wanted a fact check, why didn't you Google for one?
Relevant terms could be
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:47:11AM -0500, Jerry Feldman wrote:
On 02/22/2011 10:09 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:
David has an ATT Android phone. He's competent to make such a
proclamation.
David has an iPhone not an Android. I have an ATT Android. You can
certainly install any Android app from the
On 2/22/2011 11:42 AM, Kent Borg wrote:
I have heard that T-Mobile is good about unlocking phones they sell.
Once someone has been a customer for awhile and they think you aren't
going to walk and refuse to honor the contract, if you go in and say
I'll be traveling to Europe and want to use a
Since I hear a number of people here using android on t-mobile or att, I'll
just mention... I recently switched from t-mobile to metropcs, and I love
it. Unlimited everything for $50/mo (including taxes and everything) and no
contracts. Yes there is some junk preinstalled, but nothing I care to
On 02/18/2011 11:41 PM, David Kramer wrote:
On 02/18/2011 11:29 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:
On 02/17/2011 11:36 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
From: discuss-boun...@blu.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@blu.org] On Behalf
Of David Kramer
Android is simply not an option for me until they get their head
On Feb 19, 2011, at 8:19 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:
But the real issue is that there carriers are each using different
network protocols and frequencies which mean hardware.
The flip side is what manufacturers have to do to support multiple carriers
with a single device. One option is to
On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:42 AM, Anthony Gabrielson wrote:
On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Richard Pieri wrote:
On Feb 19, 2011, at 8:19 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:
But the real issue is that there carriers are each using different
network protocols and frequencies which mean hardware.
The
A flame for flame's sake - some tweets by Jon Lech Johansen (DVD Jon) @jonlech
The whining about Apple's 30% cut is getting tiring. Why don't publishers offer
their service via Safari and handle billing themselves?
Oh right, because that would be an inferior user experience and they don't have
On 02/19/2011 11:39 PM, Richard Pieri wrote:
On Feb 19, 2011, at 11:00 PM, David Kramer wrote:
Uhm, no. From what I understand, any company that tries to work
around this policy by charging through content delivered to the IOS
device through other means won't get their app approved. If it
From: discuss-boun...@blu.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@blu.org] On Behalf
Of David Kramer
To the best of my knowledge, and certainly a year or so ago when I had
to make this decision, stock Android calendar/contacts/etc would not
sync with any desktop app without the data going through some
Just curious, is it possible to get apps to install on an iPhone from
a non-Apple store?
If so, can the non-Apple store be made the default store when looking for apps?
If not, it looks like Apple is both selling the razor and the blades
(for those that
don't know this is referring back to
Hi Jack,
Jailbreaking the iphone will give you the ability to install apps not
sold/distributed in the App Store.
Unfortunately, and mostly because jailbreaking is not mainstream, the apps
distributed to a jailbroken phone aren't as smooth running (if they run at
all) as those found in the App
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/news/confessions-of-an-apple-store-employee?click=pp
The other annoying topic of conversation is customers looking for unlocked
iPhones. We usually have to tell them that if they unlock their iPhone, it
won't work, he says. That it's going to
On 02/18/2011 11:29 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:
On 02/17/2011 11:36 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
From: discuss-boun...@blu.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@blu.org] On Behalf
Of David Kramer
Android is simply not an option for me until they get their head (and my
data) out of the clouds and back on
On 02/17/2011 09:06 AM, Chris O'Connell wrote:
This cost is simply going to be handed down to the consumer.
Unfortunately, Apple is a very greedy company. They already have HUGE mark
ups on all of their hardware. Remember right before the IPAD was released
one of the higher ups at Apple
On Feb 17, 2011, at 9:06 AM, Chris O'Connell wrote:
This cost is simply going to be handed down to the consumer.
Let's put this into context:
Apple currently takes 30% from all App Store sales. The rest goes to the
developer. This is actually a pretty good deal for developers, especially
I personally think 30% is way to high. Perhaps 10-15% would be more
reasonable, but Apple is huge and most companies are probably just going to
along with this.
Content publishers have been getting a free ride on the gravy train.
If they don't like it, they can get off.
It's also worth
Matthew Gillen wrote:
Apple isn't as big as Amazon
Depending on how you look at it. In book sales, maybe not, but Apple's
market capitalization is $331 billion. Amazon is $84 billion. Mighty
Google is only $200 billion.
The book publishers all seem to be private, but I suspect they are
On 02/17/2011 10:13 AM, Dan O'Donovan wrote:
It's also worth noting that Apple seldom make choices that result in a loss
of experience for ... their customers
Really? Does iTunes/iPod support open formats like Ogg or Flac? No.
Sure, you can replace the firmware on your ipod with rockbox or
On 2/17/2011 10:03 AM, Jarod Wilson wrote:
And yet, nobody else seems to have a truly competitive tablet for
less than the iPad...
Of course they don't. Apple can price the iPad at an unprofitable level,
just as the manufacturers of game consoles do, because they have the 30%
app and
I remember hearing about this same sort of ratio regarding the ipod. There
are some RD and advertising expenses of course, but this still proves that
the prices could come way down if Apple saw fit (as they did with their
notebook line a couple of years ago).
--chris
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at
On Feb 17, 2011, at 10:56 AM, Matthew Gillen wrote:
On 02/17/2011 10:13 AM, Dan O'Donovan wrote:
It's also worth noting that Apple seldom make choices that result in a loss
of experience for ... their customers
Really? Does iTunes/iPod support open formats like Ogg or Flac? No.
Do most
Kent Borg wrote:
Matthew Gillen wrote:
Apple isn't as big as Amazon
Depending on how you look at it. In book sales, maybe not, but Apple's
market capitalization is $331 billion. Amazon is $84 billion. Mighty
Google is only $200 billion.
Right.
Apple now has the highest market
Matthew Gillen wrote:
Dan O'Donovan wrote:
It's also nice to read that Apple are refusing to pass subscriber's
personal info on to publishers - those are valuable freebees for the
publisher that aren't often used to the advantage of the subscriber.
It's because they are
realizing how
On 02/17/2011 12:51 PM, Jarod Wilson wrote:
On Feb 17, 2011, at 10:56 AM, Matthew Gillen wrote:
On 02/17/2011 10:13 AM, Dan O'Donovan wrote:
It's also worth noting that Apple seldom make choices that result in a loss
of experience for ... their customers
Really? Does iTunes/iPod support
From: discuss-boun...@blu.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@blu.org] On Behalf
Of Richard Pieri
Apple's 35% take from
music and movies sold from the iTMS. So, really, Apple is doing nothing
substantially different with the subscription model than it's been doing
for
the past 8 years.
There is
On Thursday, 17 February 2011 at 22:59, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
When you buy an iphone, you
make a substantial investment, and you're required to sign a 2-year
contract.
Only required in the US - my European iPhone is unlocked and contract free. The
contracts benefit the network operators,
On 02/17/2011 02:02 PM, Richard Pieri wrote:
Apple is doing nothing substantially different with the
subscription model than it's been doing for the past 8 years.
That's what I find so entertaining about these conversations. I would
sooner expect my bank to give me a few extra days to make a
From: discuss-boun...@blu.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@blu.org] On Behalf
Of David Kramer
Android is simply not an option for me until they get their head (and my
data) out of the clouds and back on my own computer.
Explain that?
I am an android user, and I have no experience that I can
On 02/17/2011 11:36 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
From: discuss-boun...@blu.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@blu.org] On Behalf
Of David Kramer
Android is simply not an option for me until they get their head (and my
data) out of the clouds and back on my own computer.
Explain that?
I am an
On Feb 17, 2011, at 10:59 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
There is something fundamentally different. When you buy an iphone, you
make a substantial investment, and you're required to sign a 2-year
contract. So when Apple suddenly starts a new policy of charging where they
previously
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