Re: Backup software

2010-12-19 Thread Mark Woodward
On 12/18/2010 11:55 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: >> From: Mark Woodward [mailto:ma...@mohawksoft.com] >> >> The permissions to keep Jane from reading tarzan's files is an >> interesting one. Its obvious when said, but didn't occur to me. It's a >> potentially difficult problem. Would merely matchi

RE: Backup software

2010-12-18 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: Mark Woodward [mailto:ma...@mohawksoft.com] > > The permissions to keep Jane from reading tarzan's files is an > interesting one. Its obvious when said, but didn't occur to me. It's a > potentially difficult problem. Would merely matching the user name to > the owner of the files be enoug

Re: Backup software

2010-12-18 Thread David Kramer
On 12/17/2010 08:10 AM, Mark Woodward wrote: > While I've got some free time on my hands, I decided to start work on a > project. At its core, it is very much like a standard backup system. > What makes it different from a regular backup is what you do with the > data retrieved after the backup.

Re: Backup software

2010-12-18 Thread Jerry Feldman
I think the bottom line for this discussion is really that you first need to define your requirements as well as what you are going to back up, what are the security constraints. How often do you need to restore individual files, and in the case of a catastrophic failure, such as a head crash, how

Re: Backup software

2010-12-18 Thread Jack Coats
Mark, What is on your current version of a feature list? I know lots of things have been brought up and considered. What are you considering as reasonable for your first cut? Additional versions? I would like to see some 'exits' or scripts that are user generated that could quiesce a database b

Re: Backup software

2010-12-18 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 12/18/2010 12:18 PM, Mark Woodward wrote: > On 12/17/2010 08:22 AM, Chris O'Connell wrote: >> Hey Mark, >> >> IMO I think there are a few important features: >> 1. The backups must be mountable, allowing for file browsing and >> single file restoration. > May I ask about this requirement? Does

Re: Backup software

2010-12-18 Thread Mark Woodward
On 12/17/2010 09:46 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: >> From: discuss-boun...@blu.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@blu.org] On Behalf >> Of Mark Woodward >> >> My question for you guys is what do you *want* in a backup. We've all >> used these feature laden things that are out there, 99% of which is >> poin

Re: Backup software

2010-12-18 Thread Mark Woodward
On 12/17/2010 08:44 AM, Matt Shields wrote: > > > The ability for it to work not only through it's native communication > method (usually custom port/protocol), but also be able to run over an > SSH tunnel. Sometimes you don't want to open up that port to the > outside world even if it is encry

Re: Backup software

2010-12-18 Thread Mark Woodward
ou can take the backup to ANY computer with the backup software and > open the backup file by entering a password. The thing about passwords, and yes, encryption is high on my list of things that are must haves, is storage of them. If you require encryption, then you must either have the user ente

RE: Backup software

2010-12-17 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: David Miller [mailto:davi...@gmail.com] > > I'm curious since bare metal restores have been mentioned what is > everyone's thoughts on using a pxe boot image to pre-seed or kickstart the > server.  Then use puppet or chef to bring the server to a known > configuration.  This makes dealing

Re: Backup software

2010-12-17 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 12/17/2010 10:05 AM, Matt Shields wrote: > Another useful feature is that the system should automatically verify the > backups to make sure they are good and alert you when there's a problem. > Nothing like needing to go back to your backups and realizing that they > haven't been running for mo

Re: Backup software

2010-12-17 Thread Richard Pieri
On Dec 17, 2010, at 8:10 AM, Mark Woodward wrote: > > My question for you guys is what do you *want* in a backup. We've all > used these feature laden things that are out there, 99% of which is > pointless. What are "must haves?" What is something you've wanted but > can't find? What are featu

Re: Backup software

2010-12-17 Thread Matt Shields
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:36 AM, David Miller wrote: > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Chris O'Connell >wrote: > > > Agreed, bare metal restore is a must. > > > > > I'm curious since bare metal restores have been mentioned what is > everyone's > thoughts on using a pxe boot image to pre-seed

Re: Backup software

2010-12-17 Thread David Miller
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Chris O'Connell wrote: > Agreed, bare metal restore is a must. > > I'm curious since bare metal restores have been mentioned what is everyone's thoughts on using a pxe boot image to pre-seed or kickstart the server. Then use puppet or chef to bring the server to a

Re: Backup software

2010-12-17 Thread Rob Hasselbaum
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > > There are different requirements for laptops and servers. > > Laptops: > Run frequently (minimum once daily), silently, in the background, low > enough > priority that users don't generally notice or care. Does not need to scan > the e

Re: Backup software

2010-12-17 Thread Matt Shields
;> file restoration. >> 2. The backup should NOT be file based, it should be image based. >> 3. Encrypted backups. I want the backups to be encrypted and I want the >> encryption to be self contained in the backup. This means that you can >> take >> the backup to

Re: Backup software

2010-12-17 Thread Chris O'Connell
Agreed, bare metal restore is a must. On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > > From: discuss-boun...@blu.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@blu.org] On Behalf > > Of Mark Woodward > > > > My question for you guys is what do you *want* in a backup. We've all > > used these feature la

RE: Backup software

2010-12-17 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: discuss-boun...@blu.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@blu.org] On Behalf > Of Mark Woodward > > My question for you guys is what do you *want* in a backup. We've all > used these feature laden things that are out there, 99% of which is > pointless. What are "must haves?" What is something you'v

Re: Backup software

2010-12-17 Thread Matt Shields
uld be image based. > 3. Encrypted backups. I want the backups to be encrypted and I want the > encryption to be self contained in the backup. This means that you can > take > the backup to ANY computer with the backup software and open the backup > file > by entering a password. > &

Re: Backup software

2010-12-17 Thread Chris O'Connell
encryption to be self contained in the backup. This means that you can take the backup to ANY computer with the backup software and open the backup file by entering a password. Acronis has all of these features, but it's expensive and I don't believe the software will run on these linux n

Backup software

2010-12-17 Thread Mark Woodward
While I've got some free time on my hands, I decided to start work on a project. At its core, it is very much like a standard backup system. What makes it different from a regular backup is what you do with the data retrieved after the backup. I know it is a long shot or even a fools errand to