Re: [Discuss] emoji in my url

2017-03-23 Thread Joe Polcari 
But then you still won’t know where you are.

From:  Discuss on behalf of Bill Horne
Date:  Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 11:35 AM
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Subject:  Re: [Discuss] emoji in my url

On 3/23/2017 10:08 AM, Eric Chadbourne wrote:
 I just noticed that you can have an emoji URL. I'm I just old or is this 
moronic?

 The url bar should contain plain text and obscure nothing, else how do you 
know where you are?

Wow, that's neat. Can I register 
"TheDonaldSays[middle-finger-upraised].com"?
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Re: [Discuss] emoji in my url

2017-03-23 Thread Bill Horne 

On 3/23/2017 10:08 AM, Eric Chadbourne wrote:

I just noticed that you can have an emoji URL. I'm I just old or is this 
moronic?

The url bar should contain plain text and obscure nothing, else how do you know 
where you are?


Wow, that's neat. Can I register 
"TheDonaldSays[middle-finger-upraised].com"?

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Re: [Discuss] emoji in my url

2017-03-23 Thread Mike Small 
Eric Chadbourne  writes:

> I just noticed that you can have an emoji URL. I'm I just old or is this 
> moronic?
>
> The url bar should contain plain text and obscure nothing, else how do you 
> know where you are?

Is this a URL with UCS characters? This is what RFC 3986 has to say:

   When a new URI scheme defines a component that represents textual
   data consisting of characters from the Universal Character Set
   [UCS], the data should first be encoded as octets according to the
   UTF-8 character encoding [STD63]; then only those octets that do
   not correspond to characters in the unreserved set should be
   percent- encoded.  For example, the character A would be
   represented as "A", the character LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH
   GRAVE would be represented as "%C3%80", and the character KATAKANA
   LETTER A would be represented as "%E3%82%A2".

This is what it considers unreserved:

   unreserved  = ALPHA / DIGIT / "-" / "." / "_" / "~"

It also says this:

   A URI is a sequence of characters from a
   very limited set: the letters of the basic Latin alphabet, digits,
   and a few special characters.

So I'd say the URI with the emoji is supposed to be encoded (assuming
it's a standard UCS emoji).

But which is more obscure, %01%F6%3C or a little cat face with a wry
smile? I might like a way to get the UCS code point and long description
from the glyph, but I think I'd rather see the kitty by default even if
the character in the actual HTTP stream has to be encoded. Actually,
there is a way outside the browser to find out the codepoint. You could
copy and paste the glyph to the command line and run a command named uni
(included with the Perl module App::Uni on CPAN) on it. So yeah, if your
browser gets %01%F6%3C in a URI and shows you a face instead of the
standard URI encoding I think that's great (if there aren't security
implications from doing that, and if it lets you set this to your
preference).  But if it's some stupid thing like what Pidgin does to
certain character pairs then I'm with you. That would be awful.

-- 
Mike Small
sma...@sdf.org
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Re: [Discuss] emoji in my url

2017-03-23 Thread Dan Ritter 
On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:08:25AM -0400, Eric Chadbourne wrote:
> I just noticed that you can have an emoji URL. I'm I just old or is this 
> moronic?
> 
> The url bar should contain plain text and obscure nothing, else how do you 
> know where you are?


Unicode is plain text for the rest of the world.

That said, choosing a domain name that isn't easily typable
by your target audience is the real idiocy; as far as I know,
nobody natively has an emoji keyboard.

Besides, how are you going to differentiate 1f952 (pickle) from
1f954 (potato) from 1f956 (loaf of bread) sine they all look 
like ovals rotated 45 degrees counter-clockwise?

Seriously, principles of western heraldry would have been a
great guide for the Unicode people. If it's hard to distinguish
A from B without looking at interior details, they're the same
thing on the battlefield.

Quick, was that three-balls-on-a-stick.com or
triangle-ball-square-on-a-stick.com?

Do you prefer the weather report from
1f324 (Sun slightly obscured by clouds) or
1f325 (Sun more obscured by clouds)?

Is that new music store 1f39c (2 musical notes rising) or 1f39d
(2 musical notes falling)?

When you say "loaf of bread" do you mean 1f956 (thick baguette)
or 1f35e (Pullman loaf)?

What the heck is the difference between 1f34e (apple shaded
vertically) and 1f34f (apple shaded diagonally)? Who approved
that?


Summary: it may be legal, but don't be foolish.

-dsr-

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[Discuss] emoji in my url

2017-03-23 Thread Eric Chadbourne 
I just noticed that you can have an emoji URL. I'm I just old or is this 
moronic?

The url bar should contain plain text and obscure nothing, else how do you know 
where you are?

- Eric
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