Re: [Discuss] RMS
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 8:04 PM Derek Martin wrote: > > 1. Questioning whether Minsky was actually guilty of _anything_, > UNDER THE LAW: [] You're still entitled to think it's pretty > creepy > though. > > 2. [] Statutory rape, for example, involves ONLY whether the >participants are beyond some age defined by law in their local >jurisdiction. [] > I'm still hung up on the part regarding Gregory Benford's witness account. https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/339725/ > Minsky is dead and can’t defend himself, but physicist/SF author > Greg Benford, who I know and am inclined to trust, writes: > >> Typical Crap Journalism from NYT: >> >> “In a deposition unsealed this month, a woman testified that, >> as a teenager, she was told to have sex with Marvin Minsky, >> a pioneer in artificial intelligence, on Mr. Epstein’s island >> in the Virgin Islands. Mr. Minsky, who died in 2016 at 88, was >> a founder of the Media Lab in the mid-1980s.” >> >> Note, never says what happened. If Marvin had done it, she would >> say so. I know; I was there. Minsky turned her down. Told me >> about it. She saw us talking and didn’t approach me. ~ If a woman comes on to a man and he says "No, thanks", and then does not sleep with her, I don't see how that could be considered statutory rape on his part, even if a third party had secretly coerced her into coming on to him. And I don't see how telling her "no, thanks" and then not sleeping with her is in any way creepy. Of course, if Stallman was assuming Minsky did indeed sleep with the victim, then Benford's testimony doesn't count in Stallman's favor. In that case, Stallman's remarks could be considered creepy, but Minsky's turning down the victim's approach would not be creepy. -- John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston Linux & Unix Email: abre...@gmail.com / WWW http://www.abreau.net / PGP-Key-ID 0x920063C6 PGP-Key-Fingerprint A5AD 6BE1 FEFE 8E4F 5C23 C2D0 E885 E17C 9200 63C6 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] RMS
On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 19:03:04 -0500 Derek Martin wrote: > I read the thread (or as much of it as was readily available on the > web), and, much as I hate to defend rms, I think this is a gross > mischaracterization of what he said. But it's one tons of media > outlets have also made, so at least you're in good company. Six thousand-odd subscribers on csail-related. Six thousand-odd students and alums, faculty and staff, and others with various connections to CSAIL like technical committes and standards organizations. Six thousand-odd of the brightest, best-educated people in the world. No consensus. Some say RMS dug his own grave. Some say it was a gross mischaracterization. Good company, indeed, I think, regardless of which side you find yourself on. -- Rich Pieri ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] RMS
On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 10:04:27PM -0400, Rich Pieri wrote: > On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 21:09:10 -0400 > wor...@alum.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) wrote: > > > Of course, RMS ran into trouble for speaking his mind plainly in a > > time when that is unsafe, and his personality makes him particularly > > vulnerable to that. But I have been wondering whether his personality > > has robbed him of the connections and goodwill that can buffer one > > from problems. That is, whether CSAIL may have been wanting to eject > > him for some time and this provided the opportunity. > > Point: he didn't speak (write) his mind plainly. He tried to equivocate > around the meanings of two clearly defined, very serious criminal > charges. I read the thread (or as much of it as was readily available on the web), and, much as I hate to defend rms, I think this is a gross mischaracterization of what he said. But it's one tons of media outlets have also made, so at least you're in good company. Thread posted in part here, for those of us who aren't actually on CSAIL-related: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9ke3ke/famed-computer-scientist-richard-stallman-described-epstein-victims-as-entirely-willing Side point regarding the article: RMS also clearly did NOT "describe Epstein victims as 'entirely willing,'" contrary to the article's clickbait headline. He simply questioned whether Giuffre appeared so to Minsky, as by all accounts (including one posted here, if I'm not mistaken) it was she who initiated contact with Minsky. I find it tremendously disturbing that all manner of news media outlets, regardless of any political or philosophical leaning, are just outright saying shit that ain't true. > And then when he apologized he didn't apologize for what he did but > for the press misrepresenting him. As far as I can see, this was the correct response--or it would have been, in a world where rational thought about controvercial topics still had value. Minsky (and now RMS himself) has essentially already been convicted in the media. Due process is rather passe these days--it's way more satisfying to convict people who say and do things you don't like on social media or in the press--but it's still the law of the land, for good reason, perhaps now more than ever. RMS's arguments are likely exactly the ones Minsky's lawyers would have used (perhaps among others) to defend him, most likely with success as best I can tell, should it have come to that. I'm certain RMS saw it that way--that he was defending a colleague (and friend?) whom no one else could or would, whom he thought deserved due process, just like any other accused person. I could not see the start of the thread, but it would not surprise me if it was a response to a message from someone else suggesting that MIT's affiliation with Epstein and Minsky should be disavowed, or if he posted it after hearing conversations about it. Whever else I think about RMS, it's been my observation that his words and actions all point unfailingly at what he genuinely believes is fair and just. Even if he is mostly shitty about it. RMS's comments centered around two DISTINCT but related points: 1. Questioning whether Minsky was actually guilty of _anything_, UNDER THE LAW: Whether Minsky was aware Giuffre was being coerced, whether someone's assertion of what the law is in the Virgin Islands was correct, whether Giuffre was in fact under aged under that law, and whether Minsky was aware of it if she were. It's my understanding that her own deposition leaves those questions in doubt--she was not sure where or when it happened or what her age was at the time. She did not give any indication that Minsky knew she was being coerced, or that he knew her age. Nor did any other account I've heard of. If Minsky didn't know of her age or her coersion, then it fails to meet the legal requirements of the crime of rape. You're still entitled to think it's pretty creepy though. 2. The terms "sexual assault" and "rape" both apply to a range of behaviors (this is a fact), which are not equal (this is a judgement). Statutory rape, for example, involves ONLY whether the participants are beyond some age defined by law in their local jurisdiction. The age is rather arbitrary, as made plain by the fact that in 30 states what Minsky did wouldn't have been illegal, even if he had known her age (barring coersion). RMS argued that it is "morally ambiguous" and unfair to label such a person, /if he were guilty/, with the same label as, say, the South Hill Rapist. The second point requires a moral judgement. I don't agree with rms's "abolish age of consent laws" notion (yes, he has really advocated for that publicly), but I think his point about their arbitraryness is an existential fact and therefore reasonable. I also don't think it is unreasonable to conclude that having otherwise consentual sex with someone who
[Discuss] Boston Linux and Unix InstallFest LXX reminder, tomorrow Saturday September 21, 2019
Boston Linux Installfest LXX When: Saturday September 21, 2019, from 9:00 am to 5:00 pm Where: MIT Building E-51, Room 061 2 Amherst St, Cambridge http://mitiq.mit.edu/mitiq/directions_%20parkinge51.htm There is usually sufficient free parking in the E-51 parking lot. What you need to bring: Your computer, monitor, power strips and your Linux distributions. We do have copies of some distributions. In general we have expertise with most distros, but if you need special expertise, please email the BLU discussion list in advance. Today, most distros are using Live images that you can try out and then install. This can be copied to DVDs or USB sticks.There are a number of USB creators, such as UNetbootin (https://unetbootin.github.io/). Both Fedora and Ubuntu have built-in USB creators. COST: It's free! However, we DO have expenses, and contributions are welcome. Please consider contributing $25 per machine. Our volunteers will help you to install Linux on your own system. While Linux runs on most systems, some systems do have configurations and hardware that may not be supported. Please consult the following web pages for hardware compatibility. While we prefer you to bring your own distros, our volunteers will normally have Linux Howto Pages: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/howtos.html Linux Frequently Asked Questions: http://tldp.org/docs.html#faq Additionally, there are forums and listservs for most distros. Generally our volunteers have sets of the latest Fedora, SuSE and Ubuntu distributions: * Fedora - https://getfedora.org/ (Fedora 30 Live DVD/USB) * Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com ( 18.04 LTS DVD/USB or 19.04) * other distros can be downloaded at the Installfest We generally have them on local drives and can burn CDs/DVDs and USBs.Since there are many variants of these distros, we advise you to bring an empty USB stick with sufficient memory to hold one of the distros. Live images require about 1.5GB. I usually have some USBs prepared or can easily burn a USB. We usually have both a Wired and Wireless network available. The preferred wireless SSID at MIT is "MIT". In addition John does set up a local wifi. In addition, you can run Linux on your Windows PC through a virtual machine manager, such as Virtualbox. You can install this in your Windows machine and run Linux as a guest OS, or install it in your Linux machine and run Windows as a guest. VirtualBox 6.0 (http://www.virtualbox.org.) is free and is available for Linux, Windows 10, Windows 8, Windows 7, Windows XP and Windows Vista. Additionally, there are also some VMWare clients that are also free for Windows. Lunch is generously sponsored by Bluefin Technical Services (Ron Thibeau) Please refer to the BLU website (http://www.blu.org) for further information and directions. There is a parking lot in front of the building on Amherst St. Enter the building, and take the elevator to your left up to the basement. Room 061 is across from the elevator. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7 PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1 3050 5715 B88D 6F6B B6E7 ___ Announce mailing list annou...@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/announce ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] rms
On 9/20/2019 1:51 PM, Bill Cattey wrote: > Shirley's Story provokes me to tell, my "It's all my fault," story. > > At one time, my friends Jonathan Solomon (whom many of you know as > jsol -- of Telecom Digest fame), and Rich Braun shared an apartment in > Central Square with RMS. lu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Since I'm the current Moderator of The Telecom Digest, I'd really appreciate more info about those who came before me. I took over from Pat Townson, but I have no information on those who came before him. Thanks to everyone for taking time to read this: all info gratefully received. Bill Horne -- Bill Horne 828-678-1548 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] RMS in the news
On 9/19/2019 9:55 PM, Bill Horne wrote: > On 9/19/2019 5:03 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: >> I was an emacs guy. Learned vi in about 1980, but when I worked for cadmus >> I learned gosling emacs. Used it for all my development until I switched >> to atom > No less an authority than Neal Stephenson wrote "I use emacs, which > might be thought of as a thermonuclear word processor."^1 > > Bill > > 1. https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/NealStephenson I have just been told that Neal Stephenson switched from emacs to a different word processor, and then to writing with a fountain pen. Since I find fountain pens very hard to use, does anyone know which software Mr. Stephenson used in between emacs and his pen? TIA. Bill -- Bill Horne 828-678-1548 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Discuss Digest, Vol 100, Issue 16
Bill Cattey recalled an incident at my apartment: > ... emboldened by the drink I said, "Stop > wasting your time on this feature-for-feature match of [MIT Lisp] > system 99. Take on a real monopoly. Write a public domain version > of UNIX!" > It's ALL my fault. Indeed, the timeline of causality sounds correct. Thank you for clarifying the record! So henceforth BLU shall be known at the BCATLU. Has a nice ring to it! Jabr, can you do the needful with transitioning our domain-name from blu.org to bcatlu.org? ;-) -rich ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] caff(1) failing on Fedora 30
To follow up on this, I dusted off the script I wrote before caff(1) existed, and after a few tweaks, I used that instead of caff. Basically just a shell script that assembles a shar-archive-like script to email the signed and encrypted key using either mailx or batch smtp, in the form > /usr/sbin/sendmail -v -bs << \SHAR_EOF > HELO localhost > MAIL FROM: > RCPT TO: > DATA > Below is the key 1234ABCD from the BLU keysigning party that was held > [] > . > SHAR_EOF or > /bin/mailx -r 'sen...@example.net' -s 'Signed, encrypted key...' recipi...@example.com << \SHAR_EOF > > Below is the key 1234ABCD from the BLU keysigning party that was held > [] > . > SHAR_EOF If a key has multiple uids, the script will send the signed and encrypted key to each of the email addresses found on the key. On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 1:57 PM John Abreau wrote: > Is anyone else having trouble running caff(1) to sign keys? > > I installed it from the package signing-party-1.1.4-23.1.noarch in the RPM > Sphere repo. When I run it, it immediately gives the error > > > Can't use 'defined(@array)' (Maybe you should just omit the defined()?) > at /bin/caff line 599. > > > > -- > John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston Linux & Unix > Email: abre...@gmail.com / WWW http://www.abreau.net / PGP-Key-ID > 0x920063C6 > PGP-Key-Fingerprint A5AD 6BE1 FEFE 8E4F 5C23 C2D0 E885 E17C 9200 63C6 > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@blu.org > http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -- John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston Linux & Unix Email j...@blu.org / WWW http://www.abreau.net / PGP-Key-ID 0x920063C6 PGP-Key-Fingerprint A5AD 6BE1 FEFE 8E4F 5C23 C2D0 E885 E17C 9200 63C6 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[Discuss] caff(1) failing on Fedora 30
Is anyone else having trouble running caff(1) to sign keys? I installed it from the package signing-party-1.1.4-23.1.noarch in the RPM Sphere repo. When I run it, it immediately gives the error > Can't use 'defined(@array)' (Maybe you should just omit the defined()?) at /bin/caff line 599. -- John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston Linux & Unix Email: abre...@gmail.com / WWW http://www.abreau.net / PGP-Key-ID 0x920063C6 PGP-Key-Fingerprint A5AD 6BE1 FEFE 8E4F 5C23 C2D0 E885 E17C 9200 63C6 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] rms
Shirley's Story provokes me to tell, my "It's all my fault," story. At one time, my friends Jonathan Solomon (whom many of you know as jsol -- of Telecom Digest fame), and Rich Braun shared an apartment in Central Square with RMS. I would visit my friends Rich and JSOL, and would, in the process occasionally happen across RMS. One day we were partying, and I was QUITE tipsy on some Almaden Rose. RMS wandered into the room, and emboldened by the drink I said, "Stop wasting your time on this feature-for-feature match of [MIT Lisp] system 99. Take on a real monopoly. Write a public domain version of UNIX!" With the caveat that others might have similar stories and with the caveat that my understanding of the approach saying "public domain" was off the mark with regards to what has evolved over time to be our understanding of the legal underpinnings of Free and Open software, I'm concerned that indeed... It's ALL my fault. -Bill Cattey Shirley Márquez Dúlcey wrote on 9/19/19 6:09 PM: I doubt that RMS has ever been officially diagnosed. I can't imagine him willingly sitting down in front of a psychiatrist. But I have no doubt whatsoever that he is somewhere on the autism spectrum. My first significant encounters with RMS were back in the days of Lisp Machines. A bunch of people had recently left the MIT AI Lab to start a company, Symbolics, and had also made the Symbolics hardware and software proprietary. RMS was busily replicating all the new capabilities of the Symbolics software and adding them to MIT's version of the Lisp Machine code, which was still open, and sharing it with competing company Lisp Machine Inc. RMS's genius as a coder was evident, as he managed to keep up with Symbolics nearly single-handedly. LMI's Lambda design was also more openly disclosed than the Symbolics 3600 line and the microcode was provided with the systems, though it still was not an open hardware platform in the sense that we have now. (The full source distribution was a no-cost option with LMI systems, and was provided so long as the customer had bought a large enough hard drive to hold it along with the binary builds. Before the Lambda was ready, LMI sold a commercial version of MIT's CADR, the second generation Lisp Machine; those came with either 80 or 300 megabyte hard drives, big for the day but unimaginably small now, especially for a computer with a full graphic user interface. Lambdas normally came with a Fujitsu Eagle drive that held about 400 megabytes, so they always had room for the source code.) After fighting that battle for a while, RMS got disillusioned with the Lisp Machine scene. Some of LMI's actions didn't help; the company released a non-free (in either sense; it cost extra, source code was not provided, and symbol information was stripped from the binaries) circuit design program for its Lisp Machines, started work on a new architecture (the K machine) that was not planned to be open in the same way as the Lambda (prototypes were built but the company ran out of money before it reached production), and licensed its intellectual property to Texas Instruments, which did not share code with MIT as freely as LMI did. The battles over Lisp and Lisp Machines inspired RMS to start the Free Software movement, its eponymous foundation, and the GNU (Gnu's Not Unix) project. GNU's own kernel, Hurd, still has not reached version 1.0 after more than 30 years of development, but the dream of an open replacement for Unix became a reality when people coupled GNU's other work (Emacs, GCC, bash, Bison, gawk, etc) with the Linux kernel. RMS correctly observed that a complete Linux distribution contained more code from the FSF than from Linus Torvalds and the other kernel contributors, but his heavyhanded attempt to get people to refer to the software as Lignux and later GNU/Linux failed to take hold. The awkwardness of his proposed names was one reason, but the fact that some potential Linux contributors found RMS off-putting was surely another factor. RMS has always been a challenging person to interact with. His sheer genius as a coder, especially back when his hands had not yet been damaged by repetitive stress injuries and he could still type, was intimidating to mere programming mortals. His insistence on ideological purity for the free software movement, and especially on licenses that prohibited many mixtures of free and commercial software, alienated potential allies and led to the emergence of the competing open source movement. He is socially awkward, quick to anger, and generally insensitive to social cues. He is particularly awkward in interactions with women, sometimes engaging in behavior that borders on harassment and stalking, though I believe it's because of his general unawareness of and contempt for social norms. RMS hasn't been actively involved in software design for a number of years. At this point his contributions are limited to evangelism and a bit of overall guidance
Re: [Discuss] Favorite Editor
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 10:26 AM Rich Pieri wrote: > I guess I'm weird. I don't use an editor. I use a lot of different > editors depending on the needs at hand. > It always feels strange to agree with Rich, but yes, the tool within reach is better than the perfect tool that isn't installed, and the wrench that fits is better than the perfect wrench that doesn't fit. -- Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/n1vux ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Favorite Editor [was..]
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 10:09 AM Greg Rundlett (freephile) < g...@freephile.com> wrote: > I use vim, but have never really become accustomed to advanced usage (even > multiple buffers is awkward). ... > On 9/19/19 4:54 PM, John Abreau wrote: > > > I absolutely*hate* vim. > > Hear hear! > > I'm an old VI fan, like others have mentioned, because of the finger > > memory. > I used to be that rare bird, a dual vi/emacs user -- because new OS installs one needs to use VI to install Emacs, it's good to know either ED or EX/VI. Back in the day, i had an older HP terminal that had a even longer termcap entry than a VT100. VI could use that to reverse scroll, or scroll a sub-range of rows (leaving status rows alone) so despite having a 4800bps network connect box, i could edit faster with that than with VI or Emacs on a VT101 with 9600bps network connect card inboard. (Unix PWB, BSD3, BSD 4) When my wrists got problematic (better now), I dropped Emacs and switched to VIM and GEDIT because CTRL-META-COKEBOTTLE was too much stretch ouch ouch. Mostly still using VI finger memory. I haven't learned all the really advanced features of VIM, though perhaps I should. (For most purposes, switching between several VIMs with TERM, SCREEN, or ^Z %2 works well enough and is same skillz as switching non-VIM things so reusable knowledge!) One thing that makes VIM more usable: I've added an alias to launch a GVIM outside the terminal window. GVIM works with the Desktop COPY/PASTE buffer like a normal editor, separately from its own cut/copy/yank buffer. -- Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/n1vux ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Recent discussions and our list archives
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 10:46 AM Daniel Barrett wrote: > > > We've had some discussion recently that speculated about an > individual's psychological state. Just a friendly reminder that our > discussions are archived and visible to the public and include the > writer's name and email address. Fortunately for the authors, said individual probably doesn't have the resources to be litigious. (To the best of my knowledge, they have been involved in very few lawsuits in their primary area of interest. I doubt if this would bother them.) Still your reminder is warranted as a general warning. On a techno-humour bent, the emails weren't PGP signed and we all know how easy it is to forge emails headers, plausible deniability, etc. Good luck explaining that to a judge and jury... Bill Bogstad (I don't even have a PGP key so I can deny everything.) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[Discuss] Recent discussions and our list archives
We've had some discussion recently that speculated about an individual's psychological state. Just a friendly reminder that our discussions are archived and visible to the public and include the writer's name and email address. Dan ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] [EXT] CAFF
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 10:18:52AM -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote: > I am unable to install caff on Fedora 30 > see BLU keysigning faq: http://www.blu.org/keysignings/ > [gaf@gaf ~]$ sudo dnf install pgp-tools > Last metadata expiration check: 0:42:26 ago on Fri 20 Sep 2019 09:23:00 AM > EDT. > Error: > Problem: conflicting requests > - nothing provides /usr/bin/pgpring needed by pgp-tools-2.7-3.fc29.x86_64 > > I usually use JABR's old script to do the keysignings. Worked for me. Are you on Fedora 29 or Fedora 30? Above indicates it is trying to install the f29 version. >sudo dnf install pgp-tools [sudo] password for cra: Last metadata expiration check: 0:12:08 ago on Fri 20 Sep 2019 10:24:57 AM EDT. Dependencies resolved. === Package Architecture Version Repository Size === Installing: pgp-tools x86_642.10-1.fc30 updates-testing164 k Installing dependencies: perl-GnuPG-Interfacenoarch0.52-12.fc30 updates-testing 66 k perl-Math-Complex noarch 1.59-440.fc30 updates 56 k perl-Convert-BinHex noarch 1.125-10.fc30 fedora 45 k perl-Data-Perl noarch 0.002009-14.fc30 fedora 58 k perl-GD x86_642.71-1.fc30 fedora 176 k perl-MIME-tools noarch5.509-7.fc30 fedora 240 k perl-MailTools noarch2.20-5.fc30 fedora 103 k perl-Math-BigIntnoarch 1:1.9998.16-2.fc30 fedora 194 k perl-MooX-HandlesVianoarch 0.001008-13.fc30 fedora 33 k perl-MooX-late noarch 0.015-16.fc30 fedora 24 k perl-Net-IDN-Encode x86_642.500-2.fc30 fedora 99 k perl-Net-SMTP-SSL noarch1.04-8.fc30 fedora 12 k Transaction Summary === Install 13 Packages Total download size: 1.2 M Installed size: 3.0 M ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Favorite Editor
I guess I'm weird. I don't use an editor. I use a lot of different editors depending on the needs at hand. -- Rich Pieri ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[Discuss] CAFF
I am unable to install caff on Fedora 30 see BLU keysigning faq: http://www.blu.org/keysignings/ [gaf@gaf ~]$ sudo dnf install pgp-tools Last metadata expiration check: 0:42:26 ago on Fri 20 Sep 2019 09:23:00 AM EDT. Error: Problem: conflicting requests - nothing provides /usr/bin/pgpring needed by pgp-tools-2.7-3.fc29.x86_64 I usually use JABR's old script to do the keysignings. -- -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7 Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1 3050 5715 B88D 6F6B B6E7 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[Discuss] Favorite Editor (was RMS in the news)
I use vim, but have never really become accustomed to advanced usage (even multiple buffers is awkward). After trying everything under the sun, (and drinking the early cool-aid of eclipse and Netbeans) I've actually settled on using Microsoft Visual Studio Code like Brendan. It runs fine on Linux (Ubuntu 19.04) and most importantly for me, it works great over SSH to remote servers (reading your .ssh/config). It even includes an instant shell to the directory you're working on. It browses both local and remote file systems. It integrates with git; etc. I had stability issues with Atom and it's less polished than VS Code. Greg Rundlett https://eQuality-Tech.com https://freephile.org On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 9:29 AM Michael Tiernan wrote: > On 9/19/19 4:54 PM, John Abreau wrote: > > I absolutely*hate* vim. > > Hear hear! > > I'm an old VI fan, like others have mentioned, because of the finger > memory. > > I made the mistake of getting hooked on 'vile' which is very VI like > without a lot of the fluffy interference that VIM provides. > > I've resigned myself to just living with vile or vim 'cause it's easier > than refitting the systems I'm on. > > -- ><< MCT >> Michael C Tiernan. http://www.linkedin.com/in/mtiernan >Non Impediti Ratione Cogatationis >Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs > should relax and get used to the idea. -Robert A. Heinlein > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@blu.org > http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] RMS in the news
On 9/19/19 4:54 PM, John Abreau wrote: I absolutely*hate* vim. Hear hear! I'm an old VI fan, like others have mentioned, because of the finger memory. I made the mistake of getting hooked on 'vile' which is very VI like without a lot of the fluffy interference that VIM provides. I've resigned myself to just living with vile or vim 'cause it's easier than refitting the systems I'm on. -- << MCT >> Michael C Tiernan. http://www.linkedin.com/in/mtiernan Non Impediti Ratione Cogatationis Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea. -Robert A. Heinlein ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
