On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 04:27, plino pedl...@gmail.com wrote:
Greg Stein wrote:
how can you say that Apache
removes rights from people's contributions? As a developer, you
still own your code. You can do whatever you like with it. Apache
doesn't take anything from You.
Easy. Even a non
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 13:40, Pieter E. Zanstra pie...@zanstra.eu wrote:
As an interested user I see a lot of noise passing by on this topic. I must
say I am totally unimpressed. What counts for me is reality, not dreaming in
the cloud. I was used to getting no response from Microsoft on my
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:41, Andre Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net wrote:
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Maybe Apache and TDF members might have a differnt view on the effects,
as Apache members are more used to US copyright law, while TDF members
are more used to the European way.
That is a very important point,
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 07:17, Bernhard Dippold
bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote:
Hi Greg, Dennis, Friedrich, all
thanks for pointing to this very topic.
So if I understand it right, the difference is a legal one with probably
minor consequences in code usage:
While with ICLA the
Ben explained much of this already, but let's see if I can add some more:
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 14:46, plino pedl...@gmail.com wrote:
Greg Stein wrote:
As Ben has explained later in this thread, you never had that right.
Ergo, Apache has not removed any rights from You.
This is why I
Strohmaier schrieb:
I pull this in a new thread, as it is basic for understanding the
difference between OCA and ICLA.
Greg Stein schrieb:
[..]
Let's also not forget that neither TDF nor the ASF require copyright
assignment. The copyright remains with the contributor.
Same thing with OCA
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 17:53, Thorsten Behrens
t...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
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Allen, how can you, with a straight face, ask people here to come
over to a different project, that likely noone here is really happy
with, that was setup as a fait acompli, marketed as the natural
upstream,
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 15:05, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote:
Hi Jim, BRM,
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 00:43, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
There was,
and still is, the perception that TDF is an official, fully-
setup, self-controlled and self-existing foundation (similar
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 07:00, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On 14 Jun 2011, at 06:55, Keith Curtis wrote:
Hi all;
I had an idea that you could offer to let people triple-license their
changes. LibreOffice can become an upstream of Apache with this change. That
way people not
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 12:39, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On 14 Jun 2011, at 16:31, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
Here is a thougt, what if i just create a patch for Apache and submit the
same patch to LibO?
How exactly would that work. So far the discussion was about moving code
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 14:04, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On 14 Jun 2011, at 18:27, Greg Stein wrote:
For a larger body of work, these kinds of (non-CLA) contributions
become less clear. And without clear provenance, then Apache may not
be able to take it.[1]
Is the provenance
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 17:04, Keith Curtis keit...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
You describe how all the committers and people on the steering
committee know these details. Well, of course. But what about all the
people at Apache who
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 17:52, Keith Curtis keit...@gmail.com wrote:
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I don't think the questions that I posed had anything to do with
merging, but simply the kinds of curiosity that TDF supporters may
have (or those who may be interested in *becoming* supporters).
They are irrelevant to
Hi all,
I just wanted to bring an FYI that the Apache Incubator has begun
its voting process on accepting the OO.o proposal to become a
podling within the Incubator. At the moment, it appears to be
passing by a huge margin, with only two dissenting votes[1] at this
time.
The Apache process
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 16:32, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote:
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I think I had the opportunities, as a guest fof he incubator mailing
list to expression my opinions and sometimes more ;-)
At this point, I feel it would be over-staying my welcome to interject
myself in an Apache
Hi all,
I just wanted to bring an FYI that the Apache Incubator has begun
its voting process on accepting the OO.o proposal to become a
podling within the Incubator. At the moment, it appears to be
passing by a huge margin, with only two dissenting votes[1] at this
time.
The Apache process
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 16:32, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote:
...
I think I had the opportunities, as a guest fof he incubator mailing
list to expression my opinions and sometimes more ;-)
At this point, I feel it would be over-staying my welcome to interject
myself in an Apache
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:17, M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com wrote:
2011/6/8 Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com
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The 2nd is that the ASF accept the grant and simply place the
tarball on a server somewhere and say here it is. The ASF
would let the OOo trademark die.
I've said elsewhere (and
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 14:04, BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com wrote:
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I'm quite pleased to see the ASF members (at least here) not taking offense
but
continuing to act very diplomatically throughout all of this. (That said, I
haven't paid nearly as much attention to the Apache Mailing Lists.)
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 18:44, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Florian Effenberger
flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
Hi,
FYI: We asked the Membership Committee to follow-up with some information on
membership status and elections soon, so stay
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 21:05, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On 06/04/2011 05:10 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
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Whether OOo lives or dies in Apache, Oracle has made it abundantly
clear that this is it... This is one promise I fully expect Oracle
will keep :/
Interesting...
Could you
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:17, Florian Effenberger
flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
Hi Jim,
Jim Jagielski wrote on 2011-06-06 18.06:
The reality is that IBM employees wearing their IBM hats, have made it
crystal clear on the general@incubator list that IBM is going to force
The
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:46, Florian Effenberger
flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
Greg Stein wrote on 2011-06-06 18.36:
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The software grant is a done deal. I happen to believe the proposal
will be accepted, but it is not a done deal.
Ah, okay - so the software grant exists independent
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 13:07, Augustine Souza aesouza2...@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/6/11, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
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the project? Bob can say whatever he'd like on his blog.
...
In any case... stop assuming that what *one* person says is
representative of the entire (ASF) community
I have some disagreements with some of these statements, but I am a guest
here. I would like to answer queries and concerns, rather than attempt to
change opinions. In other words, I don't see a good way to respond to this,
if that's what you are seeking.
Cheers,
-g
On Jun 5, 2011 10:16 AM,
2011/6/5 André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net:
Hi,
Am 04.06.2011 18:41, schrieb Ian Lynch:
On 4 June 2011 17:29, Gianluca
Turconipub...@letturefantastiche.comwrote:
Is it sure there will be a *product*?
I think IBM need it for symphony so on those grounds alone I'd say there
will be
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 13:44, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On 5 Jun 2011, at 18:42, Greg Stein wrote:
As long as each entity holds to these principles (and there is no
indication either intends to change), then I believe direct joining
of forces will not be possible. The hope
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 14:19, Florian Effenberger
flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
Hi,
Greg Stein wrote on 2011-06-05 20.03:
That point has been repeaded over and over again, but basically you are
saying everyone Do not set up your own foundation at all, we alreadyh
have
enough.
I
Hi all,
I imagine you've all heard about the proposal[1] to contribute OO.o to
the Apache Software Foundation. I've been involved with Apache for
well over a decade, on its Board of Directors since 2001, its current
Vice Chairman, the VP of Apache Subversion, and was the Chairman for
five years.
Hey Bernhard,
See my responses inline below:
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 21:09, Bernhard Dippold
bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote:
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I think this list here is the best for discussions about the community,
steering-discuss for contacting the Steering Committee members and
libO@freedesktop for
[trimming to just discuss@, as my understanding is that is the proper
venue for this topic]
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 21:47, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
If you have any comments, questions, or concerns
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 22:06, Allen Pulsifer pulsi...@openoffice.org wrote:
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Some of you may have noticed that Greg Stein, a member of the Apache
Software Foundation Board of Directors has joined this list and offered to
answer any questions. Please feel free to ask him about anything
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