[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented
Le 2010-11-03 17:28, Michel Gagnon a écrit : Thanks Michel: It would be great if we improved the user interface in such a way that people would use styles and space before paragraphs rather than empty paragraphs, Disclaimer: I am not too knowledgeable of the creation/use of styles. Just a comment on styles. As I deal with mostly new and casual users, I have found that styles to these people are of little importance. When these two groups are given a quick introduction to styles, they usually abandon this effort early n the game. I somehow attribute this to the 3 rule *. Most people will retain steps in information only up to 3 steps. Example: File-Open-click on file If this rule were to be respected and the style configuration could be broken up in steps of 3 steps to accomplish something. Then I think that for the casual user, at least would be able to accomplish creating some sort of style. The style process must be streamlined to lower the amount of steps required to achieve a particular result. Just my take on styles. * 3 steps. Try it out on your family members or try to notice this in your workplace. The general population can only absorb materials in bunches of 3's. The most difficult of which, following steps when learning how to complete a particular task that is completely unknown to that person. Once you get to the 4th step, most people will have forgotten some part of the first 3. A more adept person will remember 4 steps or more. On the other hand, many people now use PowerPoint (and Impress), and quite frankly, both products need *a lot* of improvements. For instance, with Powerpoint, animations may be defined in the mask, but then they apply to ALL slides, or they have to be painstakingly defined slide by slide, one line at a time... There also are serious problems with the way films and sounds are linked in Powerpoint: they either have to be in the same folder or the link has to be an absolute one. So I think it would be relatively easy to upgrade Impress and make it better and easier to use than Powerpoint, and grab new users via the Impress module. Agreed. Background: In educational circles, a student graduating from grade 8 (in Ontario, Canada) is expected to be proficient in Word, Powerpoint and Excel at a somewhat medium level. I usually start coordinate/help teaching the use of Word by grade 4; Powerpoint in grade 6; and usually Excel by grade 7; grade 8 students are expected to use these and start exploring more advanced notions. Powerpoint has now gained quite a bit of ground in usage in comparison to Word. That is to say that being able to use both programmes by students at an acceptable level is quite a common expectation. Excel is still coming up short. Although, there is always a push in math circles for the use of Excel by students for simple graphing and spreadsheet solutions. So, improving Impress' use of sound, video and animation would definitely make for a good contender to Powerpoint, The treatment of all three should be looked at a little close in order to improve their usage. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] unable to reply quickly to mailing list posts
On 04/11/2010, discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Topics (messages 2591 through 2620): [tdf-discuss] java / phone strategy .. 2591 - Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com [tdf-discuss] Re: Java dependency 2592 - Kohei Yoshida kyosh...@novell.com 2617 - JustFillBug mozbug...@yahoo.com.au [tdf-discuss] java / phone strategy .. 2593 - Ian ian.ly...@theingots.org [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments the Document Foundation 2594 - BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com [tdf-discuss] Re: Java dependency 2595 - Ian ian.ly...@theingots.org [tdf-discuss] New Beta or RC soon? 2596 - Robert Boehm boehm.robe...@gmail.com [tdf-discuss] New Beta or RC soon? 2597 - Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org [tdf-discuss] New Beta or RC soon? 2598 - Robert Boehm boehm.robe...@gmail.com [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments the Document Foundation 2599 - Roberto Resoli roberto.res...@gmail.com [tdf-discuss] java / phone strategy .. 2600 - Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com [tdf-discuss] java / phone strategy .. 2601 - T. J. Brumfield enderand...@gmail.com [tdf-discuss] java / phone strategy .. 2602 - todd rme toddrme2...@gmail.com [tdf-discuss] java / phone strategy .. 2603 - Ian ian.ly...@theingots.org [tdf-discuss] New Beta or RC soon? 2604 - Frank Esposito frankespos...@gmail.com [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments the Document Foundation 2605 - jonathon toki.kant...@gmail.com [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented 2606 - Johannes Bausch johannes.bau...@gmail.com [tdf-discuss] Old Bugs 2607 - Peter Rodwell pe...@intorg.org [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented 2608 - Michel Gagnon mic...@mgagnon.net [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented 2609 - Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs 2610 - Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com 2619 - Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com Usability Issues (Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented) 2611 - Christoph Noack christoph.no...@documentfoundation.org [tdf-discuss] Accessibility (was Java dependency) 2612 - Christoph Noack christoph.no...@documentfoundation.org [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs 2613 - Michel Gagnon mic...@mgagnon.net [tdf-discuss] Old Bugs 2614 - TomW tomw...@fairpoint.net [tdf-discuss] Old Bugs 2615 - Graham Lauder yori...@openoffice.org [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs 2616 - Graham Lauder yori...@openoffice.org [tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented 2618 - Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented 2620 - Sebastian Spaeth sebast...@sspaeth.de The text above is the entire verbatim content of the mail message text box when the 'reply' function is activated. Please change the mailing list manager. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] unable to reply quickly to mailing list posts
Hi, e-letter wrote on 2010-11-04 11.39: The text above is the entire verbatim content of the mail message text box when the 'reply' function is activated. Please change the mailing list manager. what shall I change? If you have the digest subscription, you can directly open the e-mails (they are attached) and reply to them. Tested it out myself. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Old Bugs
Quoting TomW: To use Ctrl F as the shortcut for 'Alternate dialog Find Replace for Writer', do the following: Open 'Alternate dialog Find Replace for Writer' Click on 'Batch ', the Batch Manager Click on 'Key Shortcuts' In the top dropdown box, select 'Altsearch - dialog'. At the bottom of the dialog, assign the new shortcut: Ctrl F. Hope this helps. It does work for me Tom It certainly did work for me too. Thank you! P. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Java dependency
On 2010-11-04 1:06 AM, JustFillBug wrote: Then start porting all the java extensions to python extensions before talking about removing java dependency. Even if the task half complete, some features can still be benefit by not loading the JVM. ?? I think you misunderstand... What is being discussed - and what I support - is removing the *dependency* - meaning, the dependency of certain *native* OOo/LibO functions (wizards being one) on java. Java support *for extensions* would remain intact. -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
Quoting Marc Paré: So, for everyone, do you think that we could submit this as a feature request and if it were adopted, would it have a negative impact on the new or casual user's use of the search function? I think it certainly should be a permanent feature. I don't think new or casual users would find it offputting even though many of the features might be overkill for them. One possibility would be to hide all but the simplest features and provide an Advanced (or similar) button that would reveal them (and make it sticky so that once you've chosen Advanced it always appears whenever you hit Ctrl-F). P. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/2/2010 2:28 PM, Marc Paré wrote: I'm reluctant to download the beta since the Web site says it will overwrite my existing Oo and I don't have an available spare machine at the moment. I'll see if I can free up one and try it. I am not sure if this is still the case. Maybe someone else can comment on this? I thought it was fixed in Beta2. This is fixed in Beta 2. However, LibO crashes constantly on my Windows XP box. I tried to use it for a bit to test it, and the crashes were so frequent it was entirely unusable. - -- Steven Shelton Deputy Undersecretary for Made-up Titles -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzSo7oACgkQO+AD2HqgRoCKNQCfZBT7URbKzXTJA5o+aomrg6iV HLwAoMzsetSNzhAw6DkvrGhYw8le1TLV =L//5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] unable to reply quickly to mailing list posts
The number stands in front of the subject that is sent in the digest. Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-11-04 13.07: How would you know which one it was? -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:14:50 -0400, Steven Shelton wrote: However, LibO crashes constantly on my Windows XP box. I tried to use it for a bit to test it, and the crashes were so frequent it was entirely unusable. Frames with captions by any chance? In that case you will like beta3. Sebastian -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
Quoting Steven Shelton: This is also a pretty much standard extension for all of my installs, but, to be honest, I don't know if average users would like it or hate it. For one, it seems to take forever to come up with you call for it with a hot key. I've noticed a slight delay ( 1 second) the first time it's called; after that it pops up instantly. This with Win 7 Ultimate on my 4-core Dell workhorse. For another, the search dialog may be intimidating for entry-level users. And it's not very pretty. The latter I don't care about terribly much in my daily use, but I think that if you want the application to be seen as a professional level app, pretty is an important part of that. As I mentioned in my reply to Marc's posting, the advanced features could be hidden, to be opened with an Advanced button. Pretty certainly is an important aspect that's lacking in it right now. P. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
Quoting Steven Shelton: I'm reluctant to download the beta since the Web site says it will overwrite my existing Oo and I don't have an available spare machine at the moment. I'll see if I can free up one and try it. I am not sure if this is still the case. Maybe someone else can comment on this? I thought it was fixed in Beta2. This is fixed in Beta 2. Then the Web site needs updating. It still says: Be advised that the current beta might replace your OpenOffice.org installation. However, LibO crashes constantly on my Windows XP box. I tried to use it for a bit to test it, and the crashes were so frequent it was entirely unusable. I finally downloaded it to my standby machine (I *never* install beta versions of anything on my main box), with Win 7 Home Premium. Seems to run OK but I haven't had time to do anything meaningful with it yet. P. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] unable to reply quickly to mailing list posts
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 12:39 PM, e-letter inp...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/11/2010, discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Topics (messages 2591 through 2620): ... [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented 2620 - Sebastian Spaeth sebast...@sspaeth.de The text above is the entire verbatim content of the mail message text box when the 'reply' function is activated. Please change the mailing list manager. Since you are using GMail, it makes perfect sense to avoid the digest mode. GMail does a good job in following the threads. In addition, you can setup GMail so that these e-mails are automatically assigned a label, and they are archived. To do so, 1. open one such e-mail (for example, this one that you are currently reading). 2. Click on the ▼ button (top-right of this e-mail frame) and select Filter messages like this. 3. GMail automatically identified the mailing list ID (GMail understands mailing lists) and has added the correct filter. 4. Click on Test to verify anyway. Then click on Next. 5. Now, select a) Archive the e-mail b) Add label - Create new label such as DocumentFoundation Discuss, c) click to apply the filter to the existing matching e-mails, and Submit. That's it! Your Inbox will be cleared up. You can either read the list e-mails by selecting the label, or you can click on All Mail to see them all together. Simos -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:01:47 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote: +10 - Find/Replace was a frustrating exercise for me until I found this extension many months ago. It absolutely should *replace* the current implementation. 1) Could someone please identify the source? It seems LGPG license but when going to that homepage my Russian isn't good enough to actually see some source code. 2) which language is the thing done in? Is it more Java or some other language? Sebastian -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Missing function
A lorem ipsum generator? (that's what google gave me about =Lorem(12) word) Try dt and then press F3, or use this extension: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/Magenta_Lorem_ipsum_generator 2010/11/4 Peter Rodwell pe...@intorg.org: I notice that the all-important Lorem function is missing from both OO and Beta2. In Word 2007 or 2010, type: =Lorem(12) and hit return, to see how this works. P. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
As far as I can see, it is all on OOo macro language: if you install the extension and look at Tools - Macro - Organize macros - LibreOffice basic you will find all about it. 2010/11/4 Sebastian Spaeth sebast...@sspaeth.de: On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:01:47 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote: +10 - Find/Replace was a frustrating exercise for me until I found this extension many months ago. It absolutely should *replace* the current implementation. 1) Could someone please identify the source? It seems LGPG license but when going to that homepage my Russian isn't good enough to actually see some source code. 2) which language is the thing done in? Is it more Java or some other language? Sebastian -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:32:54 +0100, Peter Rodwell pe...@intorg.org wrote: Then the Web site needs updating. It still says: Be advised that the current beta might replace your OpenOffice.org installation. Not anymore, thanks for the heads up. Sebastian -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] x86_64 Windows build
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:36 AM, T. J. Brumfield enderand...@gmail.comwrote: There is an open OOo bug that is over 5 years old. http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=46594 It seems that OOo developers felt this was an unnecessary feature. However, as users have commented in that bug report, the 32-bit version doesn't work in 64-bit Terminal Servers, and Microsoft does not ship a 32-bit server product anymore. Furthermore, Base can not connect to a 64-bit ODBC data source. Given that Microsoft has been shipping 64-bit operating systems for 7 years now, and that there are legitimate use cases where OOo/LibO can't fufil user needs without a 64-bit Windows build, shouldn't this be reevaluated? And from a pure perception standpoint, it looks like OOo/LibO is behind MS Office in this regard, given that MS Office offers a 64-bit version. Thanks! +2 for 64-bit builds -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] x86_64 Windows build
2010/11/4 Frank Esposito frankespos...@gmail.com: On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:36 AM, T. J. Brumfield enderand...@gmail.comwrote: There is an open OOo bug that is over 5 years old. http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=46594 It seems that OOo developers felt this was an unnecessary feature. However, as users have commented in that bug report, the 32-bit version doesn't work in 64-bit Terminal Servers, and Microsoft does not ship a 32-bit server product anymore. Furthermore, Base can not connect to a 64-bit ODBC data source. Given that Microsoft has been shipping 64-bit operating systems for 7 years now, and that there are legitimate use cases where OOo/LibO can't fufil user needs without a 64-bit Windows build, shouldn't this be reevaluated? And from a pure perception standpoint, it looks like OOo/LibO is behind MS Office in this regard, given that MS Office offers a 64-bit version. Thanks! +2 for 64-bit builds It is on the TODO list. It needs some porting efforts, however. It is not as simple as recompiling the source code with a 64-bit compiler. Regards, Andras -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] x86_64 Windows build
Yes I am aware of some of the difficulties but I think this could be a nice feature as OOo will most likely not be offering 64-bit Windows builds. And since MSO 2010 is now available in 64bit Just another feature to differentiate LO form OO (IMHO) -fe On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Andras Timar tima...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/4 Frank Esposito frankespos...@gmail.com: On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:36 AM, T. J. Brumfield enderand...@gmail.com wrote: There is an open OOo bug that is over 5 years old. http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=46594 It seems that OOo developers felt this was an unnecessary feature. However, as users have commented in that bug report, the 32-bit version doesn't work in 64-bit Terminal Servers, and Microsoft does not ship a 32-bit server product anymore. Furthermore, Base can not connect to a 64-bit ODBC data source. Given that Microsoft has been shipping 64-bit operating systems for 7 years now, and that there are legitimate use cases where OOo/LibO can't fufil user needs without a 64-bit Windows build, shouldn't this be reevaluated? And from a pure perception standpoint, it looks like OOo/LibO is behind MS Office in this regard, given that MS Office offers a 64-bit version. Thanks! +2 for 64-bit builds It is on the TODO list. It needs some porting efforts, however. It is not as simple as recompiling the source code with a 64-bit compiler. Regards, Andras -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] x86_64 Windows build
I do understand it isn't simply just a matter of compiling a 64-bit build. Knowing that it is on the TODO list is good enough for me! Thanks! On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Andras Timar tima...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/4 Frank Esposito frankespos...@gmail.com: On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:36 AM, T. J. Brumfield enderand...@gmail.com wrote: There is an open OOo bug that is over 5 years old. http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=46594 It seems that OOo developers felt this was an unnecessary feature. However, as users have commented in that bug report, the 32-bit version doesn't work in 64-bit Terminal Servers, and Microsoft does not ship a 32-bit server product anymore. Furthermore, Base can not connect to a 64-bit ODBC data source. Given that Microsoft has been shipping 64-bit operating systems for 7 years now, and that there are legitimate use cases where OOo/LibO can't fufil user needs without a 64-bit Windows build, shouldn't this be reevaluated? And from a pure perception standpoint, it looks like OOo/LibO is behind MS Office in this regard, given that MS Office offers a 64-bit version. Thanks! +2 for 64-bit builds It is on the TODO list. It needs some porting efforts, however. It is not as simple as recompiling the source code with a 64-bit compiler. Regards, Andras -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented
Le 2010-11-04 04:34, Sebastian Spaeth a écrit : On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:55:19 +0100, Johannes Bausch wrote: things concerning tables. We absolutely HAVE to make the user use the stylesheet stuff, and it must be so easy that they start to use it on one-paged documents. Removing the font chooser, and font-size selector would save lots of space that could be replaced with a simple style chooser :) We should not go overboard. While we should _encourage_ people to use styles when they are best used, we should not _force_ them to do so. We will loose the followers we have and not gain any new ones if we impose the right way. Besides, there are times when styles are useful and styles should be used much more than they are by most people. But there are many situations where styles add an unncessary level of complexity and a few times when styles are NOT warranted. For instance: - Take this text and assume I want to emphasize one word. I could simply do Ctl-I and get the text in Italics or define a character style and apply it. The character style may be warranted, but it's a multi-step process, and quite frankly, if I decide further down the road to change the entire text from Cambria to Bodoni, the text in Italics will change accordingly and the text defined with a character style may not change appropriately (it may stay in Cambria Italics). On the other hand, if character styles work properly, I may define a book name style as it would allow me to change all those from one font to another in a jiffy. - In Desktop publishing, there are times when fragments of text are out of context (ad, poster...). I find it easier not to have a base style for these because neither paragraph nor font information is linked to the rest of the text. Finally, if we need to train people to the proper use of word-processing software, I would suggest that emphasis be given, in order to the following nasty habits: – proper use of spaces and punctuation (hyphen vs n-dash vs m-dash); – proper use of indents and tabulations (many people still use spaces or default tabs in succession); – proper use of space before paragraph and paragraph-chaining options such as keep with next paragraph, rather than paragraph returns in series. All these make document modification harder than it needs to be. A couple of short videos might even help educate people very quickly. Speaking of modifications, it is much easier to work with a document that uses the above techniques even if it has no style, than it is to work with an improperly formatted document that has styles. -- Michel Gagnon Montréal (Québec, Canada) -- http://mgagnon.net -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments the Document Foundation
On 04/11/10 16.35, Gianluca Turconi wrote: However, we're disputing about the meaning of words and I don't find any value in this, because if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck, whatever name you initially used to call it. The community cannot issue formal certifications about software, and this is where the OOo project has missed the point. If you do not allow people to make money around a free software project, you will have the few hot ones but not the many warm ones, while you need both. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com Mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented
Quoting Michel Gagnon: Finally, if we need to train people to the proper use of word-processing software, I would suggest that emphasis be given, in order to the following nasty habits: – proper use of spaces and punctuation (hyphen vs n-dash vs m-dash); – proper use of indents and tabulations (many people still use spaces or default tabs in succession); – proper use of space before paragraph and paragraph-chaining options such as keep with next paragraph, rather than paragraph returns in series. The problem is to define proper use. This is an elusive attribute with wide national and cultural differences that would be hard -- if not impossible -- to enforce. Rigidly forcing people to adhere to a proper usage when they have other customs would be *most* offputting. This also starts to move into the minefield of personal taste: I might prefer one style while you might prefer something quite different. P. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented
2010/11/4 Michel Gagnon mic...@mgagnon.net: - Take this text and assume I want to emphasize one word. I could simply do Ctl-I and get the text in Italics or define a character style and apply it. The character style may be warranted, but it's a multi-step process, and quite frankly, if I decide further down the road to change the entire text from Cambria to Bodoni, the text in Italics will change accordingly and the text defined with a character style may not change appropriately (it may stay in Cambria Italics). Well, that's simply not true: if you link the character style to Predefined and just change the attribute, the font will be picked from the underlining paragraph. Styles are far more flexible than most people think. The problem with them is not features nor corner case solutions, problem with styles in Writer is nowadays a documentation problem and a not so clear user interface. For example, defining headers and footers by hand on a large document where you need different page layouts is impossible, you MUST use page styles... but new users get confused. Why? There are several reasons, but for example you can activate headers or footers on the page style but you cannot set its content... Why do I need to go to the page style to activate the header and then to the real page to give it content? ask users. There are two possible answers for that: - The MSWord solution where there are no page styles and you do all the page setup by hand. - Add to the page style editor the ability to set header/footer contents. I prefer the second option best. - In Desktop publishing, there are times when fragments of text are out of context (ad, poster...). I find it easier not to have a base style for these because neither paragraph nor font information is linked to the rest of the text. Writer is not a DPT tool. DPT tools are page oriented while Writer is text oriented. You can of course use Writer in combination with Scribus, obtaining amazing results. Maybe we need to think about better integration between these two wonderful opensource apps. Finally, if we need to train people to the proper use of word-processing software, I would suggest that emphasis be given, in order to the following nasty habits: – proper use of spaces and punctuation (hyphen vs n-dash vs m-dash); – proper use of indents and tabulations (many people still use spaces or default tabs in succession); – proper use of space before paragraph and paragraph-chaining options such as keep with next paragraph, rather than paragraph returns in series. All these make document modification harder than it needs to be. A couple of short videos might even help educate people very quickly. Fully agree. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
RE: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented
Quoting Michel Gagnon: Finally, if we need to train people to the proper use of word-processing software, I would suggest that emphasis be given, in order to the following nasty habits: - proper use of spaces and punctuation (hyphen vs n-dash vs m-dash); - proper use of indents and tabulations (many people still use spaces or default tabs in succession); - proper use of space before paragraph and paragraph-chaining options such as keep with next paragraph, rather than paragraph returns in series. The problem is to define proper use. This is an elusive attribute with wide national and cultural differences that would be hard -- if not impossible -- to enforce. Rigidly forcing people to adhere to a proper usage when they have other customs would be *most* offputting. This also starts to move into the minefield of personal taste: I might prefer one style while you might prefer something quite different. P. P., I think you missed Michel's point. The examples he gave of proper use are those formatting features that will make re-formatting easier. If we encourage such proper use through the design of the UI, as well as through education, many will be happier with the product. -JimW -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented
Quoting Jim White: I think you missed Michel's point. The examples he gave of proper use are those formatting features that will make re-formatting easier. If we encourage such proper use through the design of the UI, as well as through education, many will be happier with the product. -JimW I was trying to say that one person's idea of proper use is another's idea of mis-use. Consider the following: 1.- Introduction: This chapter, is the introduction- the initial explanation -, of the subject blah blah blah etc etc... This is considered perfectly proper here in Spain. I think it's awful, but that's what local custom requires. It breaks any number of the punctuation rules I was taught as a youngster in the UK but is absolutely valid here. I'm not sure how these wide cultural differences can -- or even should -- be catered for in a UI. P. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
Le 2010-11-04 03:26, Marc Paré a écrit : Hi everyone: I have submitted it as a feature request. You can add to this if you want. The more we chatter about this the more they will look into it. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31386 Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented
Le 2010-11-04 12:30, Jim White a écrit : Quoting Michel Gagnon: Finally, if we need to train people to the proper use of word-processing software, I would suggest that emphasis be given, in order to the following nasty habits: - proper use of spaces and punctuation (hyphen vs n-dash vs m-dash); - proper use of indents and tabulations (many people still use spaces or default tabs in succession); - proper use of space before paragraph and paragraph-chaining options such as keep with next paragraph, rather than paragraph returns in series. The problem is to define proper use. This is an elusive attribute with wide national and cultural differences that would be hard -- if not impossible -- to enforce. Rigidly forcing people to adhere to a proper usage when they have other customs would be *most* offputting. This also starts to move into the minefield of personal taste: I might prefer one style while you might prefer something quite different. P. P., I think you missed Michel's point. The examples he gave of proper use are those formatting features that will make re-formatting easier. If we encourage such proper use through the design of the UI, as well as through education, many will be happier with the product. -JimW I am thinking of training rather than enforcing. Apart from that, I am aware that there are cultural differences and typographical preferences such as the use of a hard space before the colon and semi-colon in French. But while having a 1-cm indent on the first line of a paragraph is a matter of personal taste and cultural preference (for lack of better expression), typing 10 or 20 spaces at the beginning of the first paragraph instead of setting the 1st line indent at 1 cm is NOT a cultural preference. It shows either laziness or a lack of knowledge of the software. And Jim got it right: if using the proper formatting techniques is easy, more people will use it and less training will be needed. -- Michel Gagnon Montréal (Québec, Canada) -- http://mgagnon.net -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented
Sebastian Spaeth wrote: On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:55:19 +0100, Johannes Bausch wrote: things concerning tables. We absolutely HAVE to make the user use the stylesheet stuff, and it must be so easy that they start to use it on one-paged documents. Removing the font chooser, and font-size selector would save lots of space that could be replaced with a simple style chooser :) Here I have to disagree, non power users are much more likely to use the font chooser and size selector than they are to have anything at all to do with styles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Missing function
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/4/2010 2:39 PM, Robert Derman wrote: It is used primarily in academic situations as a means of testing formatting options where you don't want students to be distracted by the contents of the text. Since the text is in Latin, a language that few of them will understand, they will ignore it. And by publishers and designers, who want to see how a page will look before they have the copy to insert into it. It's actually a tremendously valuable tool that I use very, very frequently. - -- Steven Shelton -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFM0wJpXUonIzCvpdMRAvxKAJ4qtRQxBx4853FIIeE653f1M3G9zQCgoJfT Iz9OuZ66l4c03nifGo3WnoI= =X8b7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: unable to reply quickly to mailing list posts
Not sure what you mean by attached; in web-mail the messages when received are inline (in the body of the message). The number before each message is irrelevant; as I stated, all messages do not appear in the 'reply' text box. For comparison in digest mode behaviour, see http://lists.techwr-l.com/mailman/listinfo/techwr-l. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build
In terms of priorities, making LO the default for mobile (e.g. android) is more important than windoze. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented
Robert, I'm sorry, but I must disagree with you.I'm not a developer, I'm a user.I will admit that I started with Microsoft Word (More years ago than I'm comfortable admitting), but switched to OO.o as soon as it came out.It's only just recently that I've begun to understand how to use (and create) styles because of the complexity and lack of intuitiveness involved.That, coupled with the gadawful heading and text styles left me with having to adjust the Microsoft way - manually.I would much rather be able to set up a style and have a document stick to it than to have to go through manually and adjust everything just because I made a change.But, not being a trained power-user, the best I can do is stumble along learning by accident.And, just in the way of introduction, I have been many things in my life.In one job, alone (that I held for 15 1/2 years), I was a self-taught AutoCAD operator, a self-taught webmaster and website designer, a brochure and flier creator, and the jack-leg systems administrator that answered such questions as how do I do this with this program (a program with which I was unfamiliar and didn't have installed on my machine), or how come my machine keeps slowing down/crashing (people just won't learn about viruses).I am looking forward to LibreOffice as the new freedom from Microsoft thinking.Craig A. EddyOn 11/04/2010 11:19 AM, Robert Derman wrote:Sebastian Spaeth wrote:On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:55:19 +0100, Johannes Bausch wrote:things concerning tables. We absolutely HAVE to make the user use thestylesheet stuff, and it must be so easy that they start to use it onone-paged documents.Removing the font chooser, and font-size selector would save lots ofspace that could be replaced with a simple style chooser :)Here I have to disagree, non power users are much more likely to use the font chooser and size selector than they are to have anything at all to do with styles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/4/2010 3:31 PM, e-letter wrote: In terms of priorities, making LO the default for mobile (e.g. android) is more important than windoze. Really? Because I can't recall the last time I drafted a legal brief on my cell phone. - -- Steven Shelton -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFM0xWQXUonIzCvpdMRAnSCAJ4s3hGgdTtdAENyeudYKX/euYo26wCgpHa6 6MigCNNEtmMtVCvM0vxQDkA= =O91C -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build
Quoting e-letter: In terms of priorities, making LO the default for mobile (e.g. android) is more important than windoze. That's certainly a novel approach: giving 90% of computer users lower priority so that 1% of users can prepare presentations on their cell phones. Bound to be a wild success. P. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: unable to reply quickly to mailing list posts
Hi, e-letter wrote on 2010-11-04 20.23: Not sure what you mean by attached; in web-mail the messages when received are inline (in the body of the message). The number before each message is irrelevant; as I stated, all messages do not appear in the 'reply' text box. I don't know about webmail, but with any mail client, you have a message with the message numbers and their subjects, and these messages are attached with the numbers as file names, so it's quite easy to find them out. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build
In all fairness, Android tablets could become a large emerging market, but Windows is still by far the predominant market. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Peter Rodwell pe...@intorg.org wrote: Quoting e-letter: In terms of priorities, making LO the default for mobile (e.g. android) is more important than windoze. That's certainly a novel approach: giving 90% of computer users lower priority so that 1% of users can prepare presentations on their cell phones. Bound to be a wild success. P. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build
Quoting T. J. Brumfield: In all fairness, Android tablets could become a large emerging market, but Windows is still by far the predominant market. But how many people will use them for heavy-duty word processing, spreadsheeting and presenting? LO/OO is a heavy-duty package for heavy-duty work, after all. I've tried typing on my stepson's iPad (on the couple of occasions when I've been able to prise it from his grip) and it's hopeless. OK for Web surfing, short e-mails, etc, but tablet ergonomics are completely unsuited for serious work. Even laptops are dubious (nasty keyboards, small screens, etc). P. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build
I'm agreeing with you that Windows is the dominant market and should be treated as such. However, in developing countries Android tablets may be the most accessible and affordable computing platform of the future. It shouldn't be ignored. I'd contend the priority should be on the primary platforms: Windows, Mac OS X and Linux. Next should be platforms of the future. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Peter Rodwell pe...@intorg.org wrote: Quoting T. J. Brumfield: In all fairness, Android tablets could become a large emerging market, but Windows is still by far the predominant market. But how many people will use them for heavy-duty word processing, spreadsheeting and presenting? LO/OO is a heavy-duty package for heavy-duty work, after all. I've tried typing on my stepson's iPad (on the couple of occasions when I've been able to prise it from his grip) and it's hopeless. OK for Web surfing, short e-mails, etc, but tablet ergonomics are completely unsuited for serious work. Even laptops are dubious (nasty keyboards, small screens, etc). P. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived *** -- I'm questioning my education Rewind and what does it show? Could be, the truth it becomes you I'm a seed, wondering why it grows -- Pearl Jam, Education -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build
e-letter wrote: In terms of priorities, making LO the default for mobile (e.g. android) is more important than windoze. How quickly things change in the world of electronics. It wasn't that long ago, that phones were one thing, and computers quite another. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build
Robert Derman wrote: Peter Rodwell wrote: Quoting T. J. Brumfield: However, in developing countries Android tablets may be the most accessible and affordable computing platform of the future. It shouldn't be ignored. Agreed -- it certainly shouldn't be ignored, I just think that giving it priority over Windows is ridiculous, is all. Windows, Mac OS X and Linux. Next should be platforms of the future. Exactly! Oops! I deleted the letter I was going to reply to which was on the UI thread, but this thread is almost as on topic to what I intended to say so I will stick it onto this one.First thing, the font selector has been where it is for so long, that I think it would be a serious mistake to mess with it. From the very first WISIWIG word processors it has been at about that spot, and has worked about the way it does now. My first Windows WP was not MS Word, or even Word Perfect, it was a program that few people today even remember, WordStar.People just expect some of the most basic things in a WP program to be where they have always been, and it is unwise to change them without a truly compelling reason. I suspect that the actual typical user of OOo/LO is a home user, who uses it because they could not afford MS Word, or at least could not justify the cost of it for home use. Most of the documents created with Writer are probably not screenplays, legal pleadings, or technical manuals, but rather have file names like, Xmas Newsletr 10, or Letr to Aunt Joan, or Garagesalesign. The database is probably used most for things like keeping track of record or DVD collections, or membership lists for clubs or fraternal organizations. Little kids use Draw for a coloring book. Elementary school kids use Writer for their school papers, ones that have to be turned in as hard copy. If I had to guess, it would be that the single most common use for the spreadsheet is to do check registers for personal checking accounts. I would also guess that many of the businesses that use OOo/LO do so because someone in management used the program at home and liked it. Power user features and capabilities certainly lead to corporate and government use of the suite, but basic ease of use for simple things is what gets people to try it in the first place. I could be wrong about this, but what I suspect, is that nothing else could promote the popularity of LO more than having a good users manual in the download package. Despite the truth of the old saying When all else fails, read the manual. A lot of users like to read a good manual to find out what else they could do with a program that they aren't doing now. Also I would recommend formatting the manual for 8.5x11 rather than the usual 5x7 so that if the users want a hard copy it won't result in the usual horrible amount of paper waste that you get with 5x7 formats. For example being able to get the whole thing onto 60 pages rather than needing 100. Or perhaps format both ways, 5x7 for on screen, and 8.5x11 for printing. Help functions are OK as far as it goes, but many times you need a hard copy so that you can read how to do a thing while actually doing it. Many times I see the question, how can we be better than Microsoft, this is one place where this would be easy. In recent years MS has declined badly in user support, especially in the area of user manuals. They may do all right with the Fortune 500, but with small business, to say nothing of home users, frankly they suck! They have also gotten sloppy with little details about how their software works, one thing I have noticed, Win 7 files incorrectly, files with numeral titles, as an example, the following files 6, 6.5, 7, 7.5 end up filed in the following order 6.5, 6, 7.5, 7 We all know that this is idiotic and WRONG! My point is that it shouldn't be that hard to put out a product that people perceive as better than such junk. Time for me to get off of my soapbox now. Robert Derman Either my email program, or something along the way really messed up the formatting of this email, running all the paragraphs together. so I added several more C.R. between each paragraph and I will send it again and see if that fixes it. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
On 11/02/2010 08:28 AM, T. J. Brumfield wrote: There were several old, often commented on, and often requested bug fixes and features that didn't receive much attention or weren't resolved with OOo over the years. For those who may not be aware of the reasons for the shift/fork, or for those who don't care about politics with software, resolving some of these old bugs might be a reason for users to switch over to LibreOffice. For instance, the bug/feature request with the most votes for OOo is a SVG import filter. go-oo implemented that feature. I assume LibreOffice will include that patch. Here is an eight year old bug/feature request with over 300 votes. http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 Here is one high on my list: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79720 [Protect Document but allow input field entry - MS Word to OOo] they duped it to: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=33737 [Allow for in-place editing of input field (turn off pop-up)] but I highly recommend reading 79720 before wandering off to 33737 as 79720 is not a duplicate of 33737 but they are closely related. Also note the 'go-oo' comments... -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
