Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

2016-04-26 Thread Florian Reisinger 
Short answer: Any release (2007,2010,2013,2016) has it's own transitional
format. AFAIK

 schrieb am Di., 26. Apr. 2016, 10:13:

> Hello,
>
> I'm a french user willing to get some answers about OOXML format.
> This post is already released on the fr.discuss mailing list.
>
> As you may know, something changing the game just happened in France.
> The second version of the Interoperability General Refenrential was just
> released.
> It demands all the public administrations (by law) to conform to certain
> file formats when the exchanged from administration to administration or
> from a citizen to an administration and vice et versa.
>
> ODF is recommended.
>
> OOXML strict is tolerated in some case.
> OOXML transitionnal is not.
> Binary older file formats are not either.
>
> Thus, it becomes very interresting to investigate what's behind OOXML.
>
> in this article :
>
> https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/case/complex-singularity-versus-openness
>
> 3 different OOXML formats are described :
> "There is the ECMA version (that’s the one MS Office 2007 writes, which
> was certified by ECMA International). Then there is OOXML Transitional,
> which is relatively close to the ECMA version, and is the format that all
> later versions to date write as default. Finally, there is OOXML Strict."
>
> In this MS$ tab :
>
> https://blogs.office.com/2012/08/13/new-file-format-options-in-the-new-office/#DR3YrKG0ymm0vmwB.97
> Only two OOXML formats are described : transitionnal and strict
>
> A very simple question to an OOXML specialist :
>
> Is transitionnal OOXML ECMA-376 compliant ?
>
> If not, is transitionnal OOXML compliant with any norm or standard ?
>
> Best regards and thanks in advance for any answer.
>
> M.
>
>
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Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

2016-04-26 Thread mjollnir66 
So. 

Is it correct to say that the Transitionnal OOXML format is not compliant with 
any international standard or norm ? Neither ECMA, nor ISO, nor anything but 
MS$ itself. 

If so, 
Does this means that NO version of MS$ office (from 2010 to the actual) writes 
BY DEFAULT in a standardized or normalised format. 
(cf. https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc179191%28v=office.16%29.aspx 
for default formats) 

Is anyone confident enough in his knowledge of OOXML to acknowledge this ? 
Maybe this place is not the best one to ask the question ? 
If so, would please somebody advice me the best place to post the question ? 


- Mail original -

De: "Florian Reisinger"  
À: mjollni...@laposte.net, discuss@documentfoundation.org 
Envoyé: Mardi 26 Avril 2016 13:26:12 
Objet: Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict 



Short answer: Any release (2007,2010,2013,2016) has it's own transitional 
format. AFAIK 



< mjollni...@laposte.net > schrieb am Di., 26. Apr. 2016, 10:13: 


Hello, 

I'm a french user willing to get some answers about OOXML format. 
This post is already released on the fr.discuss mailing list. 

As you may know, something changing the game just happened in France. 
The second version of the Interoperability General Refenrential was just 
released. 
It demands all the public administrations (by law) to conform to certain file 
formats when the exchanged from administration to administration or from a 
citizen to an administration and vice et versa. 

ODF is recommended. 

OOXML strict is tolerated in some case. 
OOXML transitionnal is not. 
Binary older file formats are not either. 

Thus, it becomes very interresting to investigate what's behind OOXML. 

in this article : 
https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/case/complex-singularity-versus-openness
 

3 different OOXML formats are described : 
"There is the ECMA version (that’s the one MS Office 2007 writes, which was 
certified by ECMA International). Then there is OOXML Transitional, which is 
relatively close to the ECMA version, and is the format that all later versions 
to date write as default. Finally, there is OOXML Strict." 

In this MS$ tab : 
https://blogs.office.com/2012/08/13/new-file-format-options-in-the-new-office/#DR3YrKG0ymm0vmwB.97
 
Only two OOXML formats are described : transitionnal and strict 

A very simple question to an OOXML specialist : 

Is transitionnal OOXML ECMA-376 compliant ? 

If not, is transitionnal OOXML compliant with any norm or standard ? 

Best regards and thanks in advance for any answer. 

M. 


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[tdf-discuss] About Canonical Snap packages and LibreOffice distribution

2016-04-26 Thread Bastián Díaz 
 

Hi, I know it's too early but one of the direct consequences of the
sandboxed application package is the possibility for developers to
maintain an application more updated, independent of the distribution,
making it easy to add security updates, new features and bugs fixes
(...)

Canonical Snap packages arrived between polemics (for me a bad decision
to release a nonfunctional feature to 100% due to lack of another
development , in a LTS version knowing beforehand design problems
in X11), but the reality is that it offers a good chance to distribute
LibreOffice in Ubuntu and other distributions that want to adopt Snap.

I've seen some documentation about the interest of some LO developers
with xdg-app (my hope for the future of linux desktop) but what is the
position of LO developers about Snap? Is there interest in distributing
LibreOffice as a Snap package? If so they will wait distribute it along
with the availability of MIR?

Thank you very much.

 
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Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

2016-04-26 Thread pasqual milvaques 

You can ask in the Microsoft open specifications forum:
https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-us/home?category=openspecifications

But, please, be polite, people there can have another perspective of 
this matter and expressions like MS$ doesn't help


The 'transitional' variant of ooxml is specified in Part 4 of ISO/IEC 
29500 so it's standard, it's supposed that the features of the 
transitional variant ease the transition from older formats, I'm not 
sure if there is a plan for making the strict variant the default in MS 
Office, in Office 2016 it's not yet


Best regards

El 26/04/16 a les 12:46, mjollni...@laposte.net ha escrit:

So.

Is it correct to say that the Transitionnal OOXML format is not compliant with 
any international standard or norm ? Neither ECMA, nor ISO, nor anything but 
MS$ itself.

If so,
Does this means that NO version of MS$ office (from 2010 to the actual) writes 
BY DEFAULT in a standardized or normalised format.
(cf. https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc179191%28v=office.16%29.aspx 
for default formats)

Is anyone confident enough in his knowledge of OOXML to acknowledge this ?
Maybe this place is not the best one to ask the question ?
If so, would please somebody advice me the best place to post the question ?


- Mail original -

De: "Florian Reisinger" 
À: mjollni...@laposte.net, discuss@documentfoundation.org
Envoyé: Mardi 26 Avril 2016 13:26:12
Objet: Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict



Short answer: Any release (2007,2010,2013,2016) has it's own transitional 
format. AFAIK



< mjollni...@laposte.net > schrieb am Di., 26. Apr. 2016, 10:13:


Hello,

I'm a french user willing to get some answers about OOXML format.
This post is already released on the fr.discuss mailing list.

As you may know, something changing the game just happened in France.
The second version of the Interoperability General Refenrential was just 
released.
It demands all the public administrations (by law) to conform to certain file 
formats when the exchanged from administration to administration or from a 
citizen to an administration and vice et versa.

ODF is recommended.

OOXML strict is tolerated in some case.
OOXML transitionnal is not.
Binary older file formats are not either.

Thus, it becomes very interresting to investigate what's behind OOXML.

in this article :
https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/case/complex-singularity-versus-openness

3 different OOXML formats are described :
"There is the ECMA version (that’s the one MS Office 2007 writes, which was 
certified by ECMA International). Then there is OOXML Transitional, which is relatively 
close to the ECMA version, and is the format that all later versions to date write as 
default. Finally, there is OOXML Strict."

In this MS$ tab :
https://blogs.office.com/2012/08/13/new-file-format-options-in-the-new-office/#DR3YrKG0ymm0vmwB.97
Only two OOXML formats are described : transitionnal and strict

A very simple question to an OOXML specialist :

Is transitionnal OOXML ECMA-376 compliant ?

If not, is transitionnal OOXML compliant with any norm or standard ?

Best regards and thanks in advance for any answer.

M.






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Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

2016-04-26 Thread Italo Vignoli 
On 26/04/2016 15:09, pasqual milvaques wrote:

> The 'transitional' variant of ooxml is specified in Part 4 of ISO/IEC
> 29500 so it's standard, it's supposed that the features of the
> transitional variant ease the transition from older formats, I'm not
> sure if there is a plan for making the strict variant the default in MS
> Office, in Office 2016 it's not yet

OOXML Transitional is definitely not recognized as a standard, and is
specified in Part 4 of ISO/IEC 29500 exactly because is not a standard
(to make it clear how it differs from the standard). OOXML Transitional
was accepted to ease the transition to the standard, and as such should
have lasted only a few years, while it has been used by Microsoft as the
default OOXML format since forever. In addition, OOXML Transitional is
different for each version of MS Office, and the differences are not
documented (only the first OOXML Transitional was documented).

In addition, OOXML Strict - which is the ONLY accepted standard - is
almost impossible to obtain by normal users, as the process is far from
the usual one, as in order to have an OOXML Strict you must save the
document before performing ANY action (as otherwise the format switches
to OOXML Transitional, which is not a standard).

UK Cabinet Office has clearly documented the reasons why OOXML is not a
standard file format.

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[tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

2016-04-26 Thread mjollnir66 
Hello, 

I'm a french user willing to get some answers about OOXML format. 
This post is already released on the fr.discuss mailing list. 

As you may know, something changing the game just happened in France. 
The second version of the Interoperability General Refenrential was just 
released. 
It demands all the public administrations (by law) to conform to certain file 
formats when the exchanged from administration to administration or from a 
citizen to an administration and vice et versa. 

ODF is recommended. 

OOXML strict is tolerated in some case. 
OOXML transitionnal is not. 
Binary older file formats are not either. 

Thus, it becomes very interresting to investigate what's behind OOXML. 

in this article : 
https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/case/complex-singularity-versus-openness
 

3 different OOXML formats are described : 
"There is the ECMA version (that’s the one MS Office 2007 writes, which was 
certified by ECMA International). Then there is OOXML Transitional, which is 
relatively close to the ECMA version, and is the format that all later versions 
to date write as default. Finally, there is OOXML Strict." 

In this MS$ tab : 
https://blogs.office.com/2012/08/13/new-file-format-options-in-the-new-office/#DR3YrKG0ymm0vmwB.97
 
Only two OOXML formats are described : transitionnal and strict 

A very simple question to an OOXML specialist : 

Is transitionnal OOXML ECMA-376 compliant ? 

If not, is transitionnal OOXML compliant with any norm or standard ? 

Best regards and thanks in advance for any answer. 

M. 


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