Re: [steering-discuss] Community bylaws

2010-11-22 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi guys, On Sat, 2010-11-20 at 01:57 +0100, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Cor Nouws schrieb: Has been considered that this leads to a situation where each year people have to get used to the tasks, the other board members etc. so that maybe it is a bit inefficient? This is fairly

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice should have own LibreOfficeFont

2010-11-22 Thread Claus Agerskov
Mirek M. skrev: 'm really against a special LibO font. What the open-source community should be doing is ensuring that a select few open-source fonts are available in as many places as possible. Just like documents written with Times/Arial/Courier fonts are readable basically everywhere,

Re: [tdf-discuss] changed footers of all documentfoundation and libreoffice.org mailing lists

2010-11-22 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi Friedrich, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote on 2010-11-21 14.37: Well, as You can see I'm in favor of the lyric variant. :o)) I'm against it. We need to make things clear, and put them in normal words. We're not a writer's club. ;) - prosaic variant: All posts to this list are publicly

Re: [tdf-discuss] after beta3

2010-11-22 Thread Sean White
lets hope not, as god as LO is it is still not ready for general release. The coding is not yet finished, the interface is still that clunky thing thats been around since the 90's and is a little old and, most importantly, a good marketing strategy is yet to appear. The success of this sort of

Re: [tdf-discuss] Version Numbers?

2010-11-22 Thread Sean White
One of the things i LOVE about open source software is the ability for me to ask someone else to code something or port something that i cant do myself. So my solution to your problem of incompatible extensions is to set up a new mailing list for OO to LO extension porting. the public can send

Re: [tdf-discuss] Version Numbers?

2010-11-22 Thread Sean White
because the underlining code inst changing overly-much, most of the extensions should be easy to port and in th odd case where an extension is truely broken by LO's remakes then we can rewrite the plugin from scratch. As a side not we will probably need a page on the document foundation site that

Re: [tdf-discuss] New support list suggestion

2010-11-22 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi Charles, *, Charles Marcus schrieb: On 11/19/2010 7:16 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Charles Marcus schrieb: I'd really like to see an email support list dedicated solely to questions in the nature of I know how to do this in Excel/Word/Powerpoint, but how do I do it on

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 08:04:29AM -0700, Craig A. Eddy wrote: listed in the README_en-US file. I'm not familiar with dpgk, though I Then get. You administer a Debian-based system without knowing dpkg? Oh my. (Besides that, http://packages.debian.org/libreoffice has a metapackage - you need at

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 09:03:35AM -0600, Alexandro Colorado wrote: unsuspecting users to the same problem that OOo has been famous for: there is no obvious way to start to install the files. Dependencies for dpkg -i *.deb? each .deb have to be met, but nothing indicates the order with

Re: [tdf-discuss] Version Numbers?

2010-11-22 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi Florian Reisinger, *, This mail arrived completely screwed up! I'm sure no one made the effort to read it. Florian Reisinger schrieb: [.. screwed content ..] Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Libreoffice-Box http://libreofficebox.org/ LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images (german version already

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi René, *, René Engelhard schrieb: [.. depency question ..] Nope. Really, I expect anybody having root on a Debian-based system to know dpkg. Seriously. So you'd recommend everybody just running a desktop machine and not wanting to get a full featured serveradmin to abhore debian? It would

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-) On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 20:31, Rene Engelhard rene.engelh...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Nope. Really, I expect anybody having root on a Debian-based system to know dpkg. Seriously. Oh, Wow! What if you're an end user who needs a computer just to do work on? Does every Linux user

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Craig A. Eddy
On 11/22/2010 05:33 AM, Rene Engelhard wrote: On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 08:04:29AM -0700, Craig A. Eddy wrote: listed in the README_en-US file. I'm not familiar with dpgk, though I Then get. You administer a Debian-based system without knowing dpkg? Oh my. (Besides that,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Craig A. Eddy
On 11/22/2010 07:28 AM, David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 20:31, Rene Engelhard rene.engelh...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Nope. Really, I expect anybody having root on a Debian-based system to know dpkg. Seriously. Oh, Wow! What if you're an end user who needs a

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:28:43PM +0800, David Nelson wrote: Oh, Wow! What if you're an end user who needs a computer just to do work on? Does every Linux user have to be a hard-core geek? And if you own a Windows system, should one study for Microsoft certification before shelling out you

Re: [tdf-discuss] New support list suggestion

2010-11-22 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi Michael, *, Michael Wheatland schrieb: If I may throw in my 2c. Welcome! :o)) As a part of the official LibreOffice Drupal website development we will be creating a QA area where there are standard questions and answers, but it will also give people the opportunity to ask their own

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi Michael, *, Michael Wheatland schrieb: René Engelhard schrieb: Nope. Really, I expect anybody having root on a Debian-based system to know dpkg. Seriously. [..] You were responding *my* mail not referring to my contents. Please take care for clear communication. Gruß/regards --

Re: [tdf-discuss] New support list suggestion

2010-11-22 Thread James Wilde
On Nov 22, 2010, at 16:16 , Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: Hi Michael, *, Michael Wheatland schrieb: In addition to this we will be setting up support accounts on all of the major social networks. Will these automatically post the question on the nabble forum and thus on the mailing

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice should have own LibreOfficeFont

2010-11-22 Thread Claus Agerskov
Michael Wheatland skrev: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Claus Agerskov c...@agercon.dk wrote: I would see Verdana as one of the pre-installed fonts aswell. -1 Verdana is a proprietary Microsoft font. Sorry, didn't knew that. Then it is also a -1 from me to my own suggestion. The

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Michael Wheatland
You were responding *my* mail not referring to my contents. Friedrich I am new to this mailing list thing. I use Gmail and I reply by clicking the 'reply' space at the very bottom of the conversation list. How are you able to tell which message I reply to? And what should I be doing to ensure

Re: [steering-discuss] Community bylaws

2010-11-22 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello David, Le Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:03:21 +0800, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz a écrit : Hi, :-) Having been given permission to proofread and revise the initial draft, I presumed it would be OK to do the same for subsequent amendments. I hope I did not overstep myself there; if I

[tdf-discuss] Google now integrates with MSO, what about Libre/OO?

2010-11-22 Thread Frank Esposito
Will this ever happen with Libre Office? Google Launches Plugin That Fuses Microsoft Office With Google Docshttp://techcrunch.com/2010/11/22/google-launches-plugin-that-fuses-microsoft-office-with-google-docs/ just thoughts -fe

Re: [tdf-discuss] Google now integrates with MSO, what about Libre/OO?

2010-11-22 Thread T. J. Brumfield
There are already OOo plugins that integrate OOo with Google Docs. They've been around for years. -- T. J. On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Frank Esposito frankespos...@gmail.comwrote: Will this ever happen with Libre Office? Google Launches Plugin That Fuses Microsoft Office With Google

Re: [steering-discuss] Community bylaws

2010-11-22 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello, Le Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:08:30 +, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com a écrit : Hi there, On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 21:03 +0800, David Nelson wrote: It seems that there are still some big ambiguities that would need to be resolved: Well detected :-) The Chairperson

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread jonathon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/22/2010 03:07 PM, Rene Engelhard wrote: Because dpkg -i *.deb is esssentialy setup.exe. That would be true if, and only if there was _one_ deb to install, in which gdeb would by used, not dpkg. Don't tell me anyone using Windows must not

Re: [tdf-discuss] Version Numbers?

2010-11-22 Thread jonathon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/22/2010 11:24 AM, Sean White wrote: One of the things i LOVE about open source software is the ability for me to ask someone else to code something or port something that i cant do myself. Have you looked at the percentage of extensions for

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 03:52:41PM +, Lee Hyde wrote: original poster is making. Windows users are presented with a single setup.exe while debian/ubuntu users are presented with a multitude of individual .deb files. This is not user friendly! Nonsense. dpkg -i *.deb is user friendly,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 06:50:36PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 03:52:41PM +, Lee Hyde wrote: original poster is making. Windows users are presented with a single setup.exe while debian/ubuntu users are presented with a multitude of individual .deb files. This is

Re: [tdf-discuss] New support list suggestion

2010-11-22 Thread James Wilde
On Nov 22, 2010, at 17:18 , Michael Wheatland wrote: On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 1:10 AM, James Wilde wilde.ja...@gmail.com wrote: Will these automatically post the question on the nabble forum and thus on the mailing list? And will the answers come back from the nabble forum and the mailing

[tdf-discuss] Take over of Novell

2010-11-22 Thread Ian Lynch
Is the take over of Novell going to affect the document foundation? -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQwww.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 04:56:40PM +0100, Italo Vignoli wrote: So, I think that any user guide that makes it easier for computer illiterates to install a software is always welcome, provided that I will not install LibreOffice until is available in a repository that I can access via Ubuntu

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi René, *, René Engelhard schrieb: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 03:15:25PM +0100, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: So you'd recommend everybody just running a desktop machine and not wanting to get a full featured serveradmin to abhore debian? No, I want desktop users to know how to use their system.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Version Numbers?

2010-11-22 Thread Robert Derman
jonathon wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/21/2010 09:15 PM, James Wilde wrote: ...and? Is LibO going to upgrade the version number every time OOo does? And only then? Unless there is a compatibility tag for extensions, the way that there is for firefox,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Lee Hyde
On 22/11/10 17:50, Rene Engelhard wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 03:52:41PM +, Lee Hyde wrote: Nonsense. dpkg -i *.deb is user friendly, despite what you want to claim. That graphical tools might make it difficult is no argument. It is obvious that the dpkg method described is a more

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-) I am ROFL reading this thread. :-D Rene, I'll write that how-to this week, notably for Ubuntu users, and then - if it's OK with you - I'll send you the draft with any questions I have regarding Debian. We could also include instructions about how to *de-install* an already-installed

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 07:34:13PM +0100, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: From a geeks point of view You are right. But I'm shure that it is not a good idea to make all people out there geeks before using a computer or using office software ;o)). Ah, so we should let people not care about

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Lee Hyde
On 22/11/10 17:58, Rene Engelhard wrote: Beisde that, you agree that .deb is what users should know. How on earth are they then NOT to know how to install them? (And install all of debs one program consists of?) I'm but a lowly Ubuntu user Rene, and I usually favour the use of

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Carl Symons
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Lee Hyde anub...@gmail.com wrote: cut On 22/11/10 17:50, Rene Engelhard wrote: No, my position taken to the logical conclusion would not be that (as I think there's use cases for GUIs - I didn't say anything against them here but just mentioned that dpkg

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 02:55:22AM +0800, David Nelson wrote: I am ROFL reading this thread. :-D You obviously are not thinking about the big picture, otherwise you wouldn't laugh. Rene, I'll write that how-to this week, notably for Ubuntu users, and then - if it's OK with you - I'll send you

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-11-22 10:07 AM, Rene Engelhard wrote: There is no goddamn need for it. And there's no need for profanity either... -- Best regards, Charles Marcus -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/

[tdf-discuss] Re: Version Numbers?

2010-11-22 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-22 07:05, Sean White a écrit : because the underlining code inst changing overly-much, most of the extensions should be easy to port and in th odd case where an extension is truely broken by LO's remakes then we can rewrite the plugin from scratch. As a side not we will probably

[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice should have own LibreOfficeFont

2010-11-22 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-22 06:30, Michael Wheatland a écrit : On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Claus Agerskovc...@agercon.dk wrote: I would see Verdana as one of the pre-installed fonts aswell. -1 Verdana is a proprietary Microsoft font. Let's focus on open source solutions such as those previously

Re: [steering-discuss] Community bylaws

2010-11-22 Thread David Nelson
Hi Charles, :-) On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 00:18, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: thank you a lot for this!!! No problem. I've got a watch on the page, and will visit whenever there's a change then. ;-) 1) (however, ESC members who are also members of the BoD can

[tdf-discuss] Re: Google now integrates with MSO, what about Libre/OO?

2010-11-22 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-22 14:02, Graham Lauder a écrit : On Tuesday 23 November 2010 06:29:01 Frank Esposito wrote: Will this ever happen with Libre Office? Google Launches Plugin That Fuses Microsoft Office With Google Docshttp://techcrunch.com/2010/11/22/google-launches-plugin-that-fuses-mic

Re: [tdf-discuss] Take over of Novell

2010-11-22 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Ian, On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 18:10 +, Ian Lynch wrote: Is the take over of Novell going to affect the document foundation? It has been long anticipated, and comes as no surprise. In the short term, nothing changes. In the medium term what the effect is, bad, neutral or

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 06:50:36PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 03:52:41PM +, Lee Hyde wrote: original poster is making. Windows users are presented with a single setup.exe while debian/ubuntu users are presented with a multitude of individual .deb files. This is

Re: [tdf-discuss] Take over of Novell

2010-11-22 Thread Graham Lauder
On Tuesday 23 November 2010 07:10:31 Ian Lynch wrote: Is the take over of Novell going to affect the document foundation? And my question would be; do any of the 882 patents sold to the Microsoft consortium affect the go-ooo code and therefore expose TDF to patent actions? Cheers GL --

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Google now integrates with MSO, what about Libre/OO?

2010-11-22 Thread Mirek M.
Hi everyone, 2010/11/22 T. J. Brumfield enderand...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-11-22 14:02, Graham Lauder a écrit : On Tuesday 23 November 2010 06:29:01 Frank Esposito wrote: Will this ever happen with Libre Office?

Re: [tdf-discuss] Version Numbers?

2010-11-22 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi, I've tried to fix the mail from Florian Resinger: Btw, Florian, which email client do you use? Your email was horrible to read I've had a hard time figuring out, who said what after your mail. Sigrid Am Sat, 20 Nov 2010 11:25:11 +0100 schrieb Florian Reisinger reisi...@live.at: Claus

Re: [tdf-discuss] Take over of Novell

2010-11-22 Thread Ian Lynch
On 22 November 2010 20:41, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote: Hi Ian, On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 18:10 +, Ian Lynch wrote: Is the take over of Novell going to affect the document foundation? It has been long anticipated, and comes as no surprise. In the short

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 02:28:54PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: open to learning a *few* new things, it is extremely user friendly. There is, however, a segment of the population that actively resists learning *anything*. And that's a problem. Grüße/Regards, René -- Unsubscribe

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hello Michael, Am Tue, 23 Nov 2010 01:30:19 +0930 schrieb Michael Wheatland mich...@wheatland.com.au: You were responding *my* mail not referring to my contents. Friedrich I am new to this mailing list thing. I use Gmail and I reply by clicking the 'reply' space at the very bottom of

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Italo Vignoli
Sigrid Carrera wrote: Yes, I agree with you, arrogance doesn't help this project. But I guess, René (btw, he is (was?) the Debian maintainer for OOo, and I guess, he will maintain LibO for Debian too) has seen similar questions too much and many people aren't willing to learn something new. So

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 01:30:19AM +0930, Michael Wheatland wrote: You were responding *my* mail not referring to my contents. Friedrich I am new to this mailing list thing. I use Gmail and I reply by clicking the 'reply' space at the very bottom of the conversation list. How are you

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Google now integrates with MSO, what about Libre/OO?

2010-11-22 Thread Frank Esposito
As I see it, the problem here is that cool, useful extensions aren't being really exposed to most OOo/LibO users. if they are really cool and useful (as this one is that was just pointed out) then they should become standard features of part of an add-on pack. imho... -- Unsubscribe

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Italo Vignoli
Carl Symons wrote: Italo, I work on several open source projects. Almost everyone else involved is a developer (I'm more in your camp, although the dpkg -i x86_64 .deb issue is well within my ability). In every case, there is shared emphasis on users. What benefits the users? There's a whole

[tdf-discuss] Re: Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread NoOp
On 11/22/2010 06:43 AM, Craig A. Eddy wrote: ... René It isn't so much that I administer a Debian release as that I USE a Debian release and do what I can. What I do is what I have managed to learn to do over time, but without any formal training in UNIX, Linux, administration, coding, or

[tdf-discuss] Re: Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread NoOp
On 11/22/2010 04:33 AM, Rene Engelhard wrote: On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 08:04:29AM -0700, Craig A. Eddy wrote: listed in the README_en-US file. I'm not familiar with dpgk, though I Then get. You administer a Debian-based system without knowing dpkg? Oh my. (Besides that,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:31:58PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 02:28:54PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: open to learning a *few* new things, it is extremely user friendly. There is, however, a segment of the population that actively resists learning *anything*.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Michael Wheatland
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:31:58PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 02:28:54PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: open to learning a *few* new things, it is extremely user friendly. There is, however, a

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-22 Thread Craig A. Eddy
On 11/22/2010 06:37 PM, NoOp wrote: On 11/22/2010 06:43 AM, Craig A. Eddy wrote: ... René It isn't so much that I administer a Debian release as that I USE a Debian release and do what I can. What I do is what I have managed to learn to do over time, but without any formal training in

[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice 3.3 final portable version

2010-11-22 Thread Marius Popa
When do you plan to release LibreOffice.org 3.3 final? Is the portable version developed by you or portableapps? -- Marius Popa -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are