Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Take over of Novell

2010-11-23 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Le Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:04:27 -0800, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net a écrit : On 11/22/2010 10:10 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: Is the take over of Novell going to affect the document foundation? Actually, isn't this sort of thing the reason TDF was created to begin with? Yes exactly. And I'm glad

Re: [tdf-discuss] Take over of Novell

2010-11-23 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Le Tue, 23 Nov 2010 09:31:00 +1300, Graham Lauder yori...@openoffice.org a écrit : On Tuesday 23 November 2010 07:10:31 Ian Lynch wrote: Is the take over of Novell going to affect the document foundation? And my question would be; do any of the 882 patents sold to the Microsoft consortium

Re: [tdf-discuss] Version Numbers?

2010-11-23 Thread Sean White
Thanks for that link, it was a real help. I can't say I'm pleased, but the decision has been made and I will not go against the steering community. Something I did note was that a-lot of the points we have raised match theirs concept-for-concept if not word-for-word. On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Take over of Novell

2010-11-23 Thread Graham Lauder
On Tuesday 23 November 2010 21:14:39 Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Le Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:04:27 -0800, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net a écrit : On 11/22/2010 10:10 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: Is the take over of Novell going to affect the document foundation? Actually, isn't this sort of thing the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Google now integrates with MSO, what about Libre/OO?

2010-11-23 Thread Rainer Bielefeld
Marc Paré schrieb: [...] IMO, the user should always be left in control of the extensions. If they are so necessary, then they should be coded in and not be called extensions. +1 I have a non removable Zulu hyphenation dictionary from 2008, but no Help. Rainer -- Unsubscribe instructions:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Moderator problem

2010-11-23 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-) I'm just curious... what is the moderator's role? do all messages get filtered by a human? how does a moderator operate? David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Moderator problem

2010-11-23 Thread James Wilde
Replied to offline. //James On Nov 23, 2010, at 13:54 , David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) I'm just curious... what is the moderator's role? do all messages get filtered by a human? how does a moderator operate? David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-23 Thread Sonic4Spuds
On 11/22/2010 06:31 AM, Rene Engelhard wrote: Hi, On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 09:03:35AM -0600, Alexandro Colorado wrote: unsuspecting users to the same problem that OOo has been famous for: there is no obvious way to start to install the files. Dependencies for dpkg -i *.deb? each .deb have

Re: [tdf-discuss] Version Numbers?

2010-11-23 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 22:24:00 +1100, Sean White runicpala...@gmail.com wrote: One of the things i LOVE about open source software is the ability for me to ask someone else to code something or port something that i cant do myself. So my solution to your problem of incompatible extensions is to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-23 Thread Sonic4Spuds
On 11/22/2010 11:50 AM, Rene Engelhard wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 03:52:41PM +, Lee Hyde wrote: original poster is making. Windows users are presented with a single setup.exe while debian/ubuntu users are presented with a multitude of individual .deb files. This is not user friendly!

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Content of Beta3 Windows Install-Packages

2010-11-23 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi plino, Am 23.11.2010 15:41, schrieb plino: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n1953706/LO_multi.png http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n1953706/LO_all_lang.png Thanks! The BrOffice is the same installer with a different name because the name OpenOffice was already

Re: [tdf-discuss] Content of Beta3 Windows Install-Packages

2010-11-23 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Stefan, *, On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote: Hi, * Which languages are included in LibO_3.3.0_Win_x86_install_multi.exe ? * Which languages are included in LibO_3.3.0_Win_x86_install_all_lang.exe ? I forwarded/posted the same question

[tdf-discuss] Three things to not forget to make LibreOffice (and ODF) succeed

2010-11-23 Thread M. Fioretti
Efficient support, explain fragmentation, put ODF first: http://stop.zona-m.net/2010/11/three-things-to-not-forget-to-make-libreoffice-and-odf-succeed/ Marco -- Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how software is used *around* you:

Re: [tdf-discuss] A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread Benjamin Horst
Hello, On Nov 23, 2010, at 10:42 AM, M. Fioretti wrote: As per subject: http://stop.zona-m.net/2010/11/a-proposal-for-effective-volunteer-friendly-user-support-in-libreoffice/ I reviewed your proposal and think you make very good points. As I personally haven't closely followed the user

[tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread plino
I do agree that volunteer-friendly user support is the key for the success of any Open Source project. However, in my opinion e-mail and mailing lists are obsolete and ineffective tools. A user forum (with optional mail notification) and a wiki are much more powerful tools. A forum makes it

Re: [steering-discuss] Community bylaws

2010-11-23 Thread Michael Meeks
On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 17:52 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: 1) the ESC does not get to vote, it's not elected, and it's a technical body. The AB can propose candidate(s), but cannot vote. 2) BoD appoints the CH, by vote or by consensus. People can nominate themselves and send their

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Take over of Novell

2010-11-23 Thread Nathan
On 11/23/2010 05:05 AM, Graham Lauder wrote: On Tuesday 23 November 2010 21:14:39 Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Le Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:04:27 -0800, NoOpgl...@sbcglobal.net a écrit : On 11/22/2010 10:10 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: Is the take over of Novell going to affect the document foundation?

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread Nathan
On 11/23/2010 11:57 AM, plino wrote: I do agree that volunteer-friendly user support is the key for the success of any Open Source project. However, in my opinion e-mail and mailing lists are obsolete and ineffective tools. A user forum (with optional mail notification) and a wiki are much

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Google now integrates with MSO, what about Libre/OO?

2010-11-23 Thread Nathan
On 11/23/2010 05:37 AM, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: Marc Paré schrieb: [...] IMO, the user should always be left in control of the extensions. If they are so necessary, then they should be coded in and not be called extensions. +1 I have a non removable Zulu hyphenation dictionary from 2008,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Take over of Novell

2010-11-23 Thread Cedric Bosdonnat
Hi Nathan, On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 12:13 -0500, Nathan wrote: can you clarify what you mean by having And I'm glad to have Michael, Thorsten and the Suse team on board with us, hopefully for a very long time. are these people that used to be employed by novell, have left and are now

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread Kevin Vermeer
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Nathan nathan1...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/23/2010 11:57 AM, plino wrote: I do agree that volunteer-friendly user support is the key for the success of any Open Source project. However, in my opinion e-mail and mailing lists are obsolete and ineffective

[tdf-discuss] Re: Communication in Mailinglist

2010-11-23 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2010/11/23 11:29 AM Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: Michael Wheatland schrieb: I use Gmail and I reply by clicking the 'reply' space at the very bottom of the conversation list. I don't know Gmail, but what You tell from it's not a very mailing list capable mail client. Gmail very capable

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-23 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi René, *, René Engelhard schrieb: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 07:34:13PM +0100, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: From a geeks point of view You are right. But I'm shure that it is not a good idea to make all people out there geeks before using a computer or using office software ;o)). Ah, so we

[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Community driven Project (was:Request: Installation Instructions)

2010-11-23 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi Italo, *, Italo Vignoli schrieb: [..] The fact that I am technically illiterate (and I like being so) does not make me a worse user, or one with less rights. Communities around the world have made OOo a better product because they have cared about users, although the project was clearly

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread T. J. Brumfield
There are open software stacks with various CMS tools where you can combine wiki, blog, forum, and FAQ functionality together. A community site could have articles on the front end to help demonstate features, provide tutorials, expose new templates and extensions, etc. Users can provide comments

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Communication in Mailinglist

2010-11-23 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi Christian Lohmaier, *, Christian Lohmaier schrieb: On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Gmail very capable for mailing lists. Except for the very one drawback you just demonstrated: When changing the subject, gmail will break the thread (start

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Communication in Mailinglist

2010-11-23 Thread Kevin Vermeer
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com lohmaier%2booofut...@googlemail.comwrote: Hi Larry, *, On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Gmail very capable for mailing lists. Except for the very one

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Communication in Mailinglist

2010-11-23 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Larry, *, On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.com wrote: On 2010/11/23 11:58 AM  Christian Lohmaier wrote: 2. I didn't change the subject, Friedrich Strohmaier changed it. Oh yes, it was changed (but according to usual etiquette, thus was very likely done by

[tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread plino
My concern is that many users expect help to be present in the application itself, and not everyone is willing to go and find answers in a community. Could the application itself pull its Help functionality from online resources? In my experience an online forum/help/FAQ does NOT replace an

[tdf-discuss] Re: Communication in Mailinglist

2010-11-23 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2010/11/23 12:29 PM Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi Larry, *, On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Larry Gusaaslarry.gus...@gmail.com wrote: On 2010/11/23 11:58 AM Christian Lohmaier wrote: 2. I didn't change the subject, Friedrich Strohmaier changed it. Oh yes, it was changed (but according

[tdf-discuss] Re: Communication in Mailinglist

2010-11-23 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2010/11/23 12:25 PM Kevin Vermeer wrote: This only happens on this list, because every subject is prepended with [tdf-discuss] and some replies get Re: inserted after it while others insert the Re: before the [tdf-discuss] token, leading to four kinds of subjects like: Once again I am

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread M. Fioretti
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 08:57:45 AM -0800, plino (pedl...@gmail.com) wrote: I do agree that volunteer-friendly user support is the key for the success of any Open Source project. However, in my opinion e-mail and mailing lists are obsolete and ineffective tools. The problem I describe did not

[tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-23 14:29, M. Fioretti a écrit : On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 08:57:45 AM -0800, plino (pedl...@gmail.com) wrote: I do agree that volunteer-friendly user support is the key for the success of any Open Source project. However, in my opinion e-mail and mailing lists are obsolete and

[tdf-discuss] Re: Google now integrates with MSO, what about Libre/OO?

2010-11-23 Thread Harold Fuchs
Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote in message news:ich2tj$ol...@dough.gmane.org... Le 2010-11-23 12:33, Nathan a écrit : On 11/23/2010 05:37 AM, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: Marc Paré schrieb: [...] IMO, the user should always be left in control of the extensions. If they are so necessary, then

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-23 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 09:13:16AM -0500, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2010-11-22 9:11 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:31:58PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 02:28:54PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: There is, however, a segment of the population that

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-23 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Rene, all, it seems that your mail started an evolution in this thread leading to negative feelings and reproaches that should be avoided. The Steering Committee asked me and Cor Nouws to have a eye on this (and the other lists we're subscribed to) in order to keep discussions on topic

[tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-23 15:11, plino a écrit : If this means anything, the Drupal LibreOffice website will be offering all modes of communications to the users: mailists, forums and wiki. If you can think of any other modes let us know and we will into providing it for the members. Marc, does it

[tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread plino
I just have to respond to this, I hate forums or anything else that required the use of PASSWORDS!!! I already have 10 times too many passwords to remember or keep track of and I want absolutely NO more. Frankly I wish the entire computer and software industry would flush the whole idea of

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread Robert Derman
Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-11-23 15:36, Robert Derman a écrit : I have said this in the OOo discuss list, and I think it bears repeating here. One of the biggest problems causing the need for users especially new ones to need help is the lack of a good users manual. The OOo documentation site is

[tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread plino
One of LibreOffice's supporters is Mark Shuttleworth / Canonical. They have a lot of experience in shipping Ubuntu disks worlwide for free... Just an idea ;) -- View this message in context:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread Michael Wheatland
Ubuntu will be doing half the work for us as they will also be shipping LibreOffice to all Ubuntu users. I believe that a number of other distributions are planning the same. Now we just need to convince people to upgrade their OS and shipping the CDs is taken care of ;) -- Unsubscribe

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread Robert Derman
Andy Brown wrote: On Tue Nov 23 2010 12:36:35 GMT-0800 (PST) Robert Derman wrote: Assuming that it is, I think the primary users manual should focus on Writer, with just one chapter on each of the other modules, and a pointer to where to download a more extensive manual on each. Where I

[tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2010/11/23 4:46 PM Michael Wheatland wrote: Now we just need to convince people to upgrade their OS and shipping the CDs is taken care of;) Only for Linux users. -- _ Larry I. Gusaas *Moose Jaw,

[tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 23/11/10 23:53, Robert Derman a écrit : As far as 5x7 that is a guesstimation. What I do know for sure is that when I print manuals out there are usually hugely wasteful margins at all 4 sides when they are printed on 8.5x11 inch paper which is the only size commonly available in the U.S.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Robert, * Robert Derman schrieb: [...] Perhaps we should make more of an effort than OOo did of making LO available on disk as an alternative to downloads. An on disk version could include more documentation as well as many, most, or perhaps all templates and extensions. a CD provides about

[tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2010/11/23 5:01 PM Alexander Thurgood wrote: It would be interesting to know, just from a statistical point of view, which countries in the world use Letter instead of A4 as their default page size for office documents. Apart from the US, I can't think of many others, but perhaps I am just

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread Ian Lynch
On 23 November 2010 21:25, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: On Tue Nov 23 2010 12:36:35 GMT-0800 (PST) Robert Derman wrote: Assuming that it is, I think the primary users manual should focus on Writer, with just one chapter on each of the other modules, and a pointer to where to

[tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread Marc Paré
Hi Robert et al: Here is the information from Jean Hollis Weber from the documentation team. Jean is one of the senior leads on the documentation team. == Marc, thanks for passing this on. Some factual info regarding the OOo user guides: 1) The ODTs of the OOo user guides

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread Craig A. Eddy
On 11/23/2010 02:50 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: On 23 November 2010 21:25, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: On Tue Nov 23 2010 12:36:35 GMT-0800 (PST) Robert Derman wrote: Assuming that it is, I think the primary users manual should focus on Writer, with just one chapter on each of

[tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-23 19:20, Bernhard Dippold a écrit : Hi Robert, * Robert Derman schrieb: [...] Perhaps we should make more of an effort than OOo did of making LO available on disk as an alternative to downloads. An on disk version could include more documentation as well as many, most, or perhaps

[tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-23 16:50, Ian Lynch a écrit : There are some good manuals for OOo - Gabriel Gurley's A conceptual Guide to OpenOffice.org 3 and the OpenOffice.org Authors publications. However, I think what is needed is an on-line tutorial system that leads to certification. That is really what we

[tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-23 19:55, Larry Gusaas a écrit : On 2010/11/23 5:01 PM Alexander Thurgood wrote: It would be interesting to know, just from a statistical point of view, which countries in the world use Letter instead of A4 as their default page size for office documents. Apart from the US, I can't

[tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-23 17:52, Michael Wheatland a écrit : On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 7:31 AM, Robert Derman robert.der...@pressenter.com wrote: I just have to respond to this, I hate forums or anything else that required the use of PASSWORDS!!! I already have 10 times too many passwords to remember or

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Communication in Mailinglist

2010-11-23 Thread Kevin Vermeer
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.comwrote: On 2010/11/23 12:25 PM Kevin Vermeer wrote: This only happens on this list, because every subject is prepended with [tdf-discuss] and some replies get Re: inserted after it while others insert the Re: before the

[tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-23 18:05, Alexander Thurgood a écrit : Le 23/11/10 23:01, Robert Derman a écrit : I just have to respond to this, I hate forums or anything else that required the use of PASSWORDS!!! I already have 10 times too many passwords to remember or keep track of and I want absolutely NO

[tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-23 15:11, plino a écrit : If this means anything, the Drupal LibreOffice website will be offering all modes of communications to the users: mailists, forums and wiki. If you can think of any other modes let us know and we will into providing it for the members. Marc, does it

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Google now integrates with MSO, what about Libre/OO?

2010-11-23 Thread Nathan
On 11/23/2010 02:59 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-11-23 14:44, Harold Fuchs a écrit : Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote in message news:ich2tj$ol...@dough.gmane.org... Le 2010-11-23 12:33, Nathan a écrit : On 11/23/2010 05:37 AM, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: Marc Paré schrieb: [...] IMO, the

[tdf-discuss] Re: Communication in Mailinglist

2010-11-23 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2010/11/23 8:31 PM Kevin Vermeer wrote: On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Larry Gusaaslarry.gus...@gmail.comwrote: On 2010/11/23 12:25 PM Kevin Vermeer wrote: This only happens on this list, because every subject is prepended with [tdf-discuss] and some replies get Re: inserted after

[tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 24/11/10 03:31, Marc Paré a écrit : I find that it sometimes does not require much. I had problems with spammers and bots on my sites till I added a captcha where you had to spell words backwards. Spam is now down to a very small trickle and I can now literally monitor new signups and to

[tdf-discuss] functionality issues discussions

2010-11-23 Thread Marwan Gedeon
I'm sorry if asking this here is inappropriate, I couldn't find the answer in FAQ, neither another mailing list dedicated for that purpose: what is the proper place/people to resort to, in order to report/resolve issues with current LibreOffice's beta release? Is bugzilla

Re: [tdf-discuss] functionality issues discussions

2010-11-23 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 09:16:53 +0200, Marwan Gedeon mar...@zaradoustra.com wrote: I'm sorry if asking this here is inappropriate, I couldn't find the answer in FAQ, neither another mailing list dedicated for that purpose: what is the proper place/people to resort to, in order to report/resolve