Re: [steering-discuss] Updated draft of the Community Bylaws
Thanks to everyone for their work! Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2010-12-06 17.20: Well spoken. And with that, I declare the Community Bylaws adopted (provided nobody from the SC punches me in the face right away)... -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] poll on next confcall
Hi, Florian Effenberger wrote on 2010-12-03 10.41: you know how it works. :-) Here's the poll for next week: http://www.doodle.com/ctpptfzggtfsht4m the call has now been scheduled for Saturday, December 11th, 1400 UTC. For your local date and time, please see http://www.doodle.com/ctpptfzggtfsht4m Please add your agenda items to http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Next_Call, where the dial-in details will also be made available in time. Looking forward to hearing you, Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] It is possible to use Mac's service in Libreoffice
I need to use Mac's service in Libreoffice to communicate with other applications in Mac. But, now these service seems to be dead. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] deb installer - have to manually modify link
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:23 AM, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: Hi, :-) On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 02:54, Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote: Well, someone just changed http://www.test.libreoffice.org/download/ and made downloading again very inconvenient. The convenient script can still be found here http://s132649167.online.de/LibO_test/sw_download.php I will fix this right now. I only unpublished the page while trying out some pages I'd created (it is a *test* site after all)... Stefan already pointed out that it is not a /test/ site. It is the site under construction. Also I'm kind of puzzled to read your message in the documentfoundation irc channel backlog Marc did the website guys ever get an IA figured out for the SilverStripe site? As you've been participating in the conf-calls, have been following the list, etc. I wonder what went so wrong that this isn't clear? The topic in the first conf call was that people felt uncomfortable because they don't know what and where to put content, what the structure is. Thus it was requested to get a framework up, a site structure consisting of placeholder pages that would lay out the structure of the site, so that people can come up with content for that area without having to think about what is missing, what should be on the site. This request was posted to various lists, unfortunately with not much feedback, but still a few volunteers did work on creating those placeholder pages defining the structure. So the placeholder pages on the site *are* reflecting the IA that was laid out for the site. Now as to calling it a testing site - I'm not sure whether it is just poorly chosen wording, or a real misunderstanding on your part. Again I'm puzzled where that impression comes from. I think I always stressed that the test.libreoffice.org website will be what the user sees when the switch is done, when the test is removed from the URL. Obviously I suck at communicating the important parts :-( So again: test.libreoffice.org is the real site under construction. No other content is available, the content will not be moved to another site. The only change that will be done is changing the DNS name from test.libreoffice.org to libreoffice.org. Nothing else will change. +1 for getting the site online by the end of the week! ;-) I'd love to have it ready by then. So let's focus on one page at a time. I propose the following, i.e. focus the work on individual pages this week: * Home/Welcome page: Start now, continue till sunday (I'd like to have some nice graphics there, some updated buttons) * Wednesday is Contribute page time. * Thursday is for Support * Friday for the FAQ Of course no hard limits, but the goal is to have the corresponding page ready for the end-user at the end of the day. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] deb installer - have to manually modify link
Hi, :-) On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 20:58, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote: Stefan already pointed out that it is not a /test/ site. It is the site under construction. It's a test site in the sense that work is in progress, and that nothing is stable right now. It's staging site. Since there are various people wanting to contribute work to the task, and there is no clear coordination, there are bound to be occasions when the front end content shifts. But let's remember this: it takes 2 mouse clicks to unpublish a page, and 2 more to put another page online in its place. The important thing is not to act like a vandal and go deleting pages that people have put time into developing. Also I'm kind of puzzled to read your message in the documentfoundation irc channel backlog Marc did the website guys ever get an IA figured out for the SilverStripe site? Well I'm kind of puzzled that after weeks and weeks, scores of messages in the lists and various conference calls, there's very little concrete progress with producing content. As you've been participating in the conf-calls, have been following the list, etc. I wonder what went so wrong that this isn't clear? See previous remark. So the placeholder pages on the site *are* reflecting the IA that was laid out for the site. Sorry, buddy, but I don't see any IA there that gives me a clue as to how to start writing copy without working at cross purposes with the intentions of whoever the heck is supposed to be coordinating this work. Now as to calling it a testing site - I'm not sure whether it is just poorly chosen wording, or a real misunderstanding on your part. Again I'm puzzled where that impression comes from. I think I always Maybe the impression that it's a testing and development site comes from the domain name test.libreoffice.org Or does this seem a far-fetched understanding to you? ;-) Obviously I suck at communicating the important parts :-( Well, you're certainly not alone in this tendency... It's due to the lack of structure and organization in TDF at this present time. So again: test.libreoffice.org is the real site under construction. No other content is available, the content will not be moved to another site. The only change that will be done is changing the DNS name from test.libreoffice.org to libreoffice.org. Nothing else will change. Thanks, that much I knew... +1 for getting the site online by the end of the week! ;-) I'd love to have it ready by then. So let's focus on one page at a time. OK, cool, now you're talking practical cooperation. I propose the following, i.e. focus the work on individual pages this week: * Home/Welcome page: Start now, continue till sunday (I'd like to have some nice graphics there, some updated buttons) Sure, can do. I'll start thinking about copy to write. And I think I have a practical idea for the buttons that will fit in with the current look. Do you have the source files of those current buttons? Not a critical problem if not... By the way, could you fix that problem about the missing CSS style sheet(s) I mentioned in the ohter thread? You did say that if additional styles were needed then you'd fix the problem. So far you didn't even reply to that thread. * Wednesday is Contribute page time. * Thursday is for Support * Friday for the FAQ Of course no hard limits, but the goal is to have the corresponding page ready for the end-user at the end of the day. Great, Christian. I'll be happy to cooperate and produce. Maybe we can actually make some headway and get this site operational before Christmas at least? David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] deb installer - have to manually modify link
Hi David, *, On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:39 PM, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: Hi, :-) On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 20:58, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote: Stefan already pointed out that it is not a /test/ site. It is the site under construction. It's a test site in the sense that work is in progress, and that nothing is stable right now. It's staging site. I'm not happy with calling it a test site though. [...] But let's remember this: it takes 2 mouse clicks to unpublish a page, and 2 more to put another page online in its place. Yes, I didn't meant to accuse you for destroying other peoples work, for messing up the site, etc. I just wanted to stress once again that the content on this site is the content that will go live. There is no other content waiting somewhere else. And by calling it a test site some people might be put off and say to themselves I'd rather wait for the final site before providing content. [...] Well I'm kind of puzzled that after weeks and weeks, scores of messages in the lists and various conference calls, there's very little concrete progress with producing content. Yes, I'm also very disappointed at that, but I don't have an answer as to why that is so :-( I personally just did not have enough time to come up with content myself, and I was hoping for the marketing team to come up with some content... (and also with some artwork) Sorry, buddy, but I don't see any IA there that gives me a clue as to how to start writing copy without working at cross purposes with the intentions of whoever the heck is supposed to be coordinating this work. Well, the IA is defining what content to put where on the site, right? The site structure of the (back then) published pages did reflect that. You have home, you got Contribute, you got FAQ, Support, Download Contact in the main hierarchy, in the toptabs, and then a couple of subpages in the individual areas. As you notice yourself: Content is not contributed for whatever reason. Thus it doesn't make sense to go into much more detail than that. Now as to calling it a testing site - I'm not sure whether it is just poorly chosen wording, or a real misunderstanding on your part. Again I'm puzzled where that impression comes from. I think I always Maybe the impression that it's a testing and development site comes from the domain name test.libreoffice.org Or does this seem a far-fetched understanding to you? ;-) Of course not, but that makes it even more important to not refer to it as a playground area. [...] Thanks, that much I knew... Yes, you might now. But I want all to know. Especially when the page keeps getting called staging area, testing site, etc. +1 for getting the site online by the end of the week! ;-) I'd love to have it ready by then. So let's focus on one page at a time. OK, cool, now you're talking practical cooperation. Sorry if you had the impression that I was trying to just pick on you, just bashing around. It is because just I don't know /why/ people don't add content. It still is not clear to me what they are waiting for. I propose the following, i.e. focus the work on individual pages this week: * Home/Welcome page: Start now, continue till sunday (I'd like to have some nice graphics there, some updated buttons) Sure, can do. I'll start thinking about copy to write. And I think I have a practical idea for the buttons that will fit in with the current look. Do you have the source files of those current buttons? Not a critical problem if not... Source files: no, I only have the files as they appear on the site. https://github.com/tdf/cms-themes/tree/master/tdf/images/buttons By the way, could you fix that problem about the missing CSS style sheet(s) I mentioned in the ohter thread? Sorry, don't remember you mentioned a missing css style - either I didn't read it yet or I missed it. You did say that if additional styles were needed then you'd fix the problem. So far you didn't even reply to that thread. Please give more details - what list, what time, what subject? I mean it was yesterday night/today morning when I wrote that, apparently you're referring to a much older thread. Great, Christian. I'll be happy to cooperate and produce. Maybe we can actually make some headway and get this site operational before Christmas at least? Yes, I'd love to see it ready for the user before Christmas (as experience shows between the years nothing will be done because people rather spend time with family and friends :-)) ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] deb installer - have to manually modify link
Hi Christian, :-) David Nelson On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 22:04, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote: Well I'm kind of puzzled that after weeks and weeks, scores of messages in the lists and various conference calls, there's very little concrete progress with producing content. Yes, I'm also very disappointed at that, but I don't have an answer as to why that is so :-( I personally just did not have enough time to come up with content myself, and I was hoping for the marketing team to come up with some content... (and also with some artwork) I can propose an IA. Already we can work with the specific items you mentioned below. Let's get started with those, and I will probably find some suggestions to put to you. I use Gimp and Photoshop, so I can do any needed stuff, too. Well, the IA is defining what content to put where on the site, right? The site structure of the (back then) published pages did reflect that. You have home, you got Contribute, you got FAQ, Support, Download Contact in the main hierarchy, in the toptabs, and then a couple of subpages in the individual areas. As you notice yourself: Content is not contributed for whatever reason. Thus it doesn't make sense to go into much more detail than that. See above. Source files: no, I only have the files as they appear on the site. https://github.com/tdf/cms-themes/tree/master/tdf/images/buttons They can already serve as a basis. We can see what else is needed as I start posting content for consideration. By the way, could you fix that problem about the missing CSS style sheet(s) I mentioned in the ohter thread? Sorry, don't remember you mentioned a missing css style - either I didn't read it yet or I missed it. You did say that if additional styles were needed then you'd fix the problem. So far you didn't even reply to that thread. Please give more details - what list, what time, what subject? I mean it was yesterday night/today morning when I wrote that, apparently you're referring to a much older thread. http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Style-sheets-and-pages-for-test-libreoffice-org-tp2031797p2031797.html Getting the styles.css would be the main solution. You'll see in the thread. Yes, I'd love to see it ready for the user before Christmas (as experience shows between the years nothing will be done because people rather spend time with family and friends :-)) OK, well we can make that happen between us, no problem. Truthfully, often, a lot more real work gets done when there aren't too many people pulling in different directions. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] main LibO website content [was: deb installer - have to manually modify link]
Hi David, * This thread certainly belongs to webs...@libo, because such details should be discussed among all people interested in this area. As I read there, some community members already put content on these pages, and at least Marc and Michael wanted to contribute to the Silverstripe site too - so discussing here might result in double work. More comments below... David Nelson schrieb: [...] On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 22:04, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote: Well I'm kind of puzzled that after weeks and weeks, scores of messages in the lists and various conference calls, there's very little concrete progress with producing content. Yes, I'm also very disappointed at that, but I don't have an answer as to why that is so :-( I personally just did not have enough time to come up with content myself, and I was hoping for the marketing team to come up with some content... (and also with some artwork) Sorry for not providing any artwork - but there has not been any request, neither on webs...@libo, nor on marketing or des...@libo (the latter might be the appropriate list IMHO). Probably this is due to the fact that nobody really had the time / dedication to work on these pages. So I still hope this might change. I can propose an IA. Already we can work with the specific items you mentioned below. Let's get started with those, and I will probably find some suggestions to put to you. I'm quite sure that the people working on the pages up to now did have some ideas how to organize the website. Some of them already created native-lang pages, so you should ask them for their structure. Just unpublishing their content without contacting them on the list before might have annoyed them - they might have thought you don't respect their work on structure and content but just want to publish your ideas. I use Gimp and Photoshop, so I can do any needed stuff, too. If you want to, you're welcome to do so. Please be aware that the website should reflect our visual design - even if this is not finished yet, I'd like to see all artwork integrate the design of the TDF logo and the other graphics provided at the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding You might also want to refer to the installer and start center images: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice-Initial-Artwork-Package.zip But it might be easier to ask at the design list for support in this area. [...] Source files: no, I only have the files as they appear on the site. https://github.com/tdf/cms-themes/tree/master/tdf/images/buttons They can already serve as a basis. We can see what else is needed as I start posting content for consideration. As already discussed in another thread, the buttons have either to be removed or to extended a lot in order to work with the improved download scripts proposed on webs...@libo. So I'd suggest to start with the structure and ask for graphics when the structure and content has been decided. Best regards Bernhard (working on too many other topics to contribute to the website in a substantially way...) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: deb installer - have to manually modify link
I will fix this right now. I only unpublished the page while trying out some pages I'd created (it is a *test* site after all)... While you're at it could you please add Portuguese (pt) to the script? Also, there is a mirror in Portugal which has not been updated since Beta1 http://mirrors.fe.up.pt/pub/tdf/ Portuguese ISPs in some cases have a ceiling for international downloads so it would be nice if this mirror could be updated. Thanks! -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/deb-installer-have-to-manually-modify-link-tp2026395p2034119.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications
Today there was an announcement that KOffice got a new name (Calligra) and they also renamed some of the Applications. KWord became Words, KSpread became Tables and KPresenter was renamed to Stages. I was wondering whether such a name change has been considered for the LibreOffice Applications. The point is that I don't really like the current names. I'm not a Name Designer, but Writer, Calc and Impress don't really sound good in my ears and I would even say that most people using OpenOffice would not know the names of the Applications they are using, only that it's OpenOffice. If LibreOffice changed the names of the Applications shipping, that might also help people to differentiate between OpenOffice and LibreOffice in Future. Here a comparison of the names of text processing, spreadsheet and presentation program of six Office Suites: MS Office: Word, Excel, PowerPoint Apple iWork: Pages, Numbers, Keynote Calligra(former KOffice): Words, Tables, Stages Softmaker Office: Textmaker, Planmaker, Presentations Corel WordPerfect Office: WordPerfect, Quattro Pro, Presentations OpenOffice.org: Writer, Calc, Impress I think MS Office, iWork and now Calligra have the best names for their applications. It's easy to spell and easy to remember. I would like to hear what everyone else is thinking about changing names for LibreOffice applications. Samuel M. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications
Frank Esposito schrieb: I think the present names are good, but I could also see a need to differentiate from OO, +1 I would leave the name-core, but switch from Sxxx.exe to Lxxx.exe (LWRITER.EXEm ...) Regards Rainer -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Steven Shelton ste...@sheltonlegal.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/7/2010 11:40 AM, Eduardo Moreno wrote: El 07/12/10 10:20, Samuel Mehrbrodt escribió: Today there was an announcement that KOffice got a new name (Calligra) and they also renamed some of the Applications. KWord became Words, KSpread became Tables and KPresenter was renamed to Stages. The KOffice name changes were _necessary_ for organizational reasons. The changes--names and more--provoked some valuable dynamics amongst the entire Calligra team. One minor change--KPresenter was renamed Stage (singular). Taken together, the Calligra application names communicate some interesting perspectives on what the applications do. In the case of LibreOffice, changing the names of applications would be an unnecessary handicap. Some part of the value of the names is the continuity with OpenOffice. I like the idea of an OOo fork that is driven by an independent, free team rather than a greedy megalomaniac. I was wondering whether such a name change has been considered for the LibreOffice Applications. I like the names of the applications. I do, too, and I think they are consistent, descriptive (what the heck does stages mean?), and well-known throughout the community of users. I don't see a need to change simply for the sake of change. - -- Steven Shelton -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkz+ZboACgkQXUonIzCvpdNNwACfXbpcEixZeC89qjR8iw0wzkLq mPAAnit0ijubFx0a8Tlt8IVBjk3dTGUY =rW61 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Updated draft of the Community Bylaws
Hello Michael, Le Tue, 07 Dec 2010 11:59:07 +, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com a écrit : Hi Charles, On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 11:08 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Last call: are we good on this? Sigh; I only just got to reading the final draft, busy day yesterday. Overall it seems to be excellent, I have a few un-addressed concerns: Members are expected to refrain from any kind of expression of racism, xenophobia, sexism and religious or political intolerance. This sounds like a vow of chastity :-) It appears to apply to the whole of life, and not just to engagement with TDF etc. As such is is somewhat offensive, and in itself an oxymoron: I can't tolerate your intolerance ;-). Many communities have people with strong, colorful and opposing views expressed in strong terms. This to me is a sign of health and diversity - instead of some bland pea-soup of non-expression :-) I'd like to excise that; though clearly we need some minimal good behaviour policy I don't believe it belongs here. I rather prefer relying on the much more helpful text in the Revocation of membership section, that talks about ad-hominem, attacks, abuse, insulting, etc. - sounds like a much more sensible line that is supportable :-) Every membership applicant must have been active for at least three (3) months, and should make a moral commitment to at least six (6) months activity (not counting the first three (3) months of fulfillment of qualification). Again - this moral commitment to future work is a problem for people that take their commitments seriously. I can't commit to work on LibreOffice for six months: anything could happen - I might be incapacitated, die suddenly, loose my mind (arguably this has already happened) :-) IMHO the future commitment is sufficiently built on an (already over-long) three month history with the project - I would like to see that removed. Continuity of membership section. This is much improved, I like the renewal process, makes a lot of sense. Anyhow - otherwise, I am completely behind this, it seems rather polished now, and the checks and balances seem more than adequate. With the removal of one paragraph, and the end of that 'moral commitment' sentence I'm 100% behind this. So I didn't write the first paragraph, and I believe it is of no consequence at all; as for the moral commitment I'm the one who added the term moral. It might have been me using a french expression more than anything. By adding moral I was emphasizing that it wasn't legal, meaning: you can commit in spirit, but it's not a fundamental problem affecting your membership if you don't. Remember that non-members can contribute patches, submit bug reports, etc. If you want to become a member it's gotta be for a reason :-) Is this something that clarifies the sentence ? best, Charles. -- Charles-H. Schulz Membre du Comité exécutif The Document Foundation. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications
+1 I also don't like the current names much either. IMHO, they don't sound very good and they don't describe the apps well either. Calc makes the app sound like it's an advanced calculator, not a spreadsheet app, Impress is too generic, and Writer sounds like a specialized tool for writers. I do like the names for Draw, Base, and Formula, though. A fair point, but rebranding doesn't always help - it can cause confusion. Plenty of programs use names that are well-known, whether they always make sense or not. e.g 'Word' does more than just words. 'WordPerfect' can make mistakes. 'WordPro' can be used by amateurs too. 'Excel' does not always excel. '1-2-3' can manage big numbers too. 'PowerPoint' has nothing to do with AC electrical outlets. 'Photoshop' is about more than photographs. 'GIMP' can be used by normal people too. 'Paint.NET' does not require a brush. 'Firefox' has nothing to do with burning wild mammals. 'Chrome' is not an element. 'Scribus' is not just for midieval monks who copy manuscripts. 'Page Maker' isn't just for people who manufacture paper. 'Windows' isn't made of glass. 'Unix' can be used by anyone, not just eunuchs. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications
With regard to the original question: are there any surveys or data that confirm that the names for Writer, Calc and Impress need to be improved? (I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case for Impress; I don't see a problem for the others.) If it ain't broke, don't fix it. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Non-removable extensions
Hello Michael PLease consider removing all these undesired dictionaries and extensions. Actually, I agree with OOo project where we should keep LO as lean as possible and offload collateral delevelopments to extensions, which by the way is a very nice feature. Now with no intent to spark flames, I am concerned in distributing LO to a corporation as large as 120K desktops. Every single useless extension is a source of concern for failure, doubts and support costs. 120.000 small annoyances is a huge problem, believe me. So I beg to remove them. All of them. I need to have LO focused in my locale, with only one or two upgradeable extensions (dicts, grammar checker) that I can manage for 120.000 users. The corporation I work for only allows extensions under strict business need. Thank you very much indeed. Olivier Em 01-11-2010 09:34, Michael Meeks escreveu: Hi there, On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 17:53 -0400, Michel Gagnon wrote: however I cannot modify my installation to remove the PDF Import and Persenter Console. So - there are lots of parts of LibreOffice that cannot be removed easily; such as the clipart gallery, or say, the Quattro Pro file filters, or whatever. The more interesting thing to me is - why would you want to remove the PDF Import ? or the Presenter Console ? If there are bugs that make these unususable, or particularly problematic - then, we should fix those instead IMHO. ie. can we fix the bug in the right place ? ATB, Michael. -- Olivier Hallot Steering Commitee The Document Foundation -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Name Change for LibreOffice Applications
On 12/07/2010 02:23 PM, Mirek M. wrote: 2010/12/7 Marc Parém...@marcpare.com Le 2010-12-07 13:12, Christophe Strobbe a écrit : Hi, At 18:50 7/12/2010, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: Rainer Bielefeld schrieb: [...] but switch from Sxxx.exe to Lxxx.exe (LWRITER.EXEm ...) But if that might cause any trouble (for example Extensions referencing to current names of .exe files) I would leave all as it is. I agree. I am involved in the development of three OpenOffice.org extensions: odt2daisy, odt2braille and a third one that will be released in early 2011. odt2daisy and odt2braille (both available on SourceForge) currently work with LibreOffice and I would like to preserve compatibility. With regard to the original question: are there any surveys or data that confirm that the names for Writer, Calc and Impress need to be improved? (I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case for Impress; I don't see a problem for the others.) Best regards, Christophe I don't believe that any of this has been discussed as the SC and most communities see the move from OpenOffice to LibreOffice as a natural outcome of moving to a foundation organisation. We had originally wanted to have the use of the OpenOffice name. I can tell you from personal experience, over many years, with using OpenOffice in the classroom and with students at home, Writer and Calc are easily recognisable; Impress is not. We should perhaps consider that Oracle has decided to go on with OpenOffice and is using the Writer, Calc and Impress names. Will people associate these names more with OpenOffice? Do these names conjure up the image of OOo? I would suspect yes. I can already imagine that people will be asking me if I am talking about OpenOffice or LibreOffice (when I use the module names)? We could also see this as somewhat of a standoff, do we own the moral or even legal rights to use the Writer, Calc and Impress names or does OpenOffice? If we are to change, the names should be very descriptive and concise. And, as Christophe points out, the compatibility of extensions will have to be considered. Maybe now is not the time to change names? We could better plan for a later release if we do? I'd definitely wait a while before changing names. I mean, right now, LibreOffice is basically the same piece of software as OpenOffice.org, just with a few patches and different branding. Even the version numbers are the same. If LibreOffice is serious about really separating from the OOo codebase and going its own way, then it's inevitable that, in the future, extensions for one won't necessarily work with the other. When the two are different enough, that'll be the time for changing application names. Just my thoughts. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** A name change would be beneficial for not only the point of view of differentiation and recognisability but also from a marketing and branding point of view. If a name change occurs purely subjective names should be avoided (such as Flow for the word app), but purely descriptive names could be equally bad. On the point of extension compatibility, I am no programmer but I would think that simlinks could be created that would provide compatibility. Or the user side of things could be changed and leave the executables names the same as current. $0.02 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Name Change for LibreOffice Applications
Am Dienstag, den 07.12.2010, 21:23 +0100 schrieb Mirek M.: 2010/12/7 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com Le 2010-12-07 13:12, Christophe Strobbe a écrit : Hi, At 18:50 7/12/2010, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: Rainer Bielefeld schrieb: [...] but switch from Sxxx.exe to Lxxx.exe (LWRITER.EXEm ...) But if that might cause any trouble (for example Extensions referencing to current names of .exe files) I would leave all as it is. I agree. I am involved in the development of three OpenOffice.org extensions: odt2daisy, odt2braille and a third one that will be released in early 2011. odt2daisy and odt2braille (both available on SourceForge) currently work with LibreOffice and I would like to preserve compatibility. With regard to the original question: are there any surveys or data that confirm that the names for Writer, Calc and Impress need to be improved? (I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case for Impress; I don't see a problem for the others.) Best regards, Christophe I don't believe that any of this has been discussed as the SC and most communities see the move from OpenOffice to LibreOffice as a natural outcome of moving to a foundation organisation. We had originally wanted to have the use of the OpenOffice name. I can tell you from personal experience, over many years, with using OpenOffice in the classroom and with students at home, Writer and Calc are easily recognisable; Impress is not. We should perhaps consider that Oracle has decided to go on with OpenOffice and is using the Writer, Calc and Impress names. Will people associate these names more with OpenOffice? Do these names conjure up the image of OOo? I would suspect yes. I can already imagine that people will be asking me if I am talking about OpenOffice or LibreOffice (when I use the module names)? We could also see this as somewhat of a standoff, do we own the moral or even legal rights to use the Writer, Calc and Impress names or does OpenOffice? If we are to change, the names should be very descriptive and concise. And, as Christophe points out, the compatibility of extensions will have to be considered. Maybe now is not the time to change names? We could better plan for a later release if we do? I'd definitely wait a while before changing names. I mean, right now, LibreOffice is basically the same piece of software as OpenOffice.org, just with a few patches and different branding. Even the version numbers are the same. If LibreOffice is serious about really separating from the OOo codebase and going its own way, then it's inevitable that, in the future, extensions for one won't necessarily work with the other. When the two are different enough, that'll be the time for changing application names. I am not very experienced with these things, but I think that it would be better to have all name changes now than sometime in the future. LO is a Fork and I think it can have its own names. I think from a user's view it is confusing that it is no more OpenOffice, but LibreOffice they use. Then maybe they get used to that name after some time and then there is another name change, even of the applications they use every day. So I think a name change should be done now and not after some releases. Maybe we can keep the name Writer, but I would change Impress and Calc. When I used OpenOffice first, I was always confused by Calc and Formula, I just wanted Excel. I always started Formula, because Calc sounded like Calculator and that's not a spreadsheet (I am German btw). Samuel M. Just my thoughts. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Q: Why is this email five sentences or less? A: http://five.sentenc.es -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Three things to not forget to make LibreOffice (and ODF) succeed
On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 13:44 -0800, Bradley D. Thornton wrote: I've asked, on two LO lists now, how the progress on the Google DocVerse Plugin is coming along, yet they were met w/silence. So, does this statement imply that someone *was* working on this !? BTW, I've never heard of such thing as DocVerse. Could you briefly explain what it does, and what license it is released under, and where to download its source code. Thanks, Kohei -- Kohei Yoshida, LibreOffice hacker, Calc kyosh...@novell.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Three things to not forget to make LibreOffice (and ODF) succeed
http://www.docverse.com/ It seems to be nice tool and very useful for people editing documents together. Hillar 2010/12/8 Kohei Yoshida kyosh...@novell.com On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 13:44 -0800, Bradley D. Thornton wrote: I've asked, on two LO lists now, how the progress on the Google DocVerse Plugin is coming along, yet they were met w/silence. So, does this statement imply that someone *was* working on this !? BTW, I've never heard of such thing as DocVerse. Could you briefly explain what it does, and what license it is released under, and where to download its source code. Thanks, Kohei -- Kohei Yoshida, LibreOffice hacker, Calc kyosh...@novell.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Three things to not forget to make LibreOffice (and ODF) succeed
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 04:46 +0200, Hillar Liiv wrote: http://www.docverse.com/ It seems to be nice tool and very useful for people editing documents together. Yes, but I'm missing a page where I can download some sort of developer tools. Without some sort of developer tools even an interested developer won't be able to write a plug-in for it. So, at this point the only people who are capable of writing such plug-in is Google itself. Kohei -- Kohei Yoshida, LibreOffice hacker, Calc kyosh...@novell.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Three things to not forget to make LibreOffice (and ODF) succeed
On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 13:44:22 -0800, Bradley D. Thornton wrote: On 11/29/2010 07:11 AM, Phil Hibbs wrote: Google Docs (and possibly other ODF implementations such as KOffice) compatability is also an issue. Are there ongoing efforts to get Google Docs to be more compatible with OOo/LibreOffice's implementation of ODF? I've been asking questions related to this for a while now w/o any response, and didn't notice any responses to your post either! Probably, because this might be a bit misplaced to ask. How can *we* do anything to make Google Docs to be more compatible to OOo/LO. THis is best asked in a Google development place, isn't it? :-) Or did you mean the other way round? Sebastian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
