[steering-discuss] Update on the Foundation

2010-12-20 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Dear friends,

The Steering Committee would like to provide you an update regarding
the status of the establishment of our Foundation. 

We have spent quite some time evaluating the legal, fiscal, financial
and practical options that were available to us. Assessing these took
us considerable efforts and the involvement of lawyers we would like to
thank. 

We finally came to the following decision. We will incorporate a
Foundation in Germany (called Stiftung in German) in early 2011. A
german foundation will provide us with many advantages of various
kinds, among them, 100% tax-deductible donations. 

In order to incorporate there we will however need some initial capital
and resources (around fifty thousand (50,000) Euros). If we do not
manage to collect this sum in a reasonable amount of time, we will
switch to our second best option and incorporate a charity in the
United Kingdom, which is much cheaper. 

We will of course keep you updated. Meanwhile, the donations to the
German OOoDEV association are still accepted and much welcome !

The last days of 2010 will be busy with Season's Holidays as well as
the release of LibreOffice 3.3 and the LibreOffice website. 

Until 2011, we wish you all the best for the New Year. 

On behalf of The Document Foundation Steering Committee,
-- 
Charles-H. Schulz
Co-Founder  Steering Committee Member,
The Document Foundation.

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[steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status

2010-12-20 Thread David Nelson
Hi Klaus, Bernhard, Florian, all, :-)

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 05:38, Bernhard Dippold
bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote:
 So Florian can't bring up the website *now* - that's a great pity
 (especially with regards to the immense work David put into the site during
 the last week), but we can't do anything against it.

 Florian's day is not longer than 24h - and his life doesn't consist of
 LibreOffice alone.

Yes, I understand this. I hope very much he *will* manage it but, if
really he can't, I will dissipate my great disappointment and think
laterally.

 PS: I understand Klaus-Jürgen's comment as possibility to use the time until
 the launch - not as an attempt to delay it.

Yes, well if ever Florian can't launch the site then we should think
positively and use the intervening time usefully. Xmas list.

 PPS: I still believe, that the visible part of the main page should not
 contain more than a few lines of text, a download button (can lead to the
 download page) and links to the most interesting areas. Twitter and blog in
 the scrolling area are ok, but I think a news area is more important
 than those tow.

I will put at least a download button above the home page text, but
did not get around to it yet. You will notice that I *have* been
listening to people's comments, and complying with most of them.

The problem is that the current theme is very narrow, and limits what
you can place on the page quite a lot. That applies to the top menu
bar, the side menu and the actual content area.

IMHO, I would scrap the current theme and make a new one. I've never
done a SilverStripe theme before, but once you've hacked themes for a
couple of CMS's, you can hack them for another. I bet it would only
take me a few days. If one of you SilverSite CSS/theming gurus helped
out, I bet we could do it even quicker...

I would propose a theme based on the theme at
libreofficeaustralia.org. Take a look at screenshots [1] and [2]. The
design perfectly fits the current marketing color scheme and graphic
charter. It's simple but very Web 2.0. It's based on the Fusion theme
for Drupal. It gives a lot more space and scope for nicely laying out
the content, with lots of nice big screenshots, etc.

Florian, Christian, if you gave me access to SSH/FTP into
http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/ then I could set a new theme up there
and work on it. Then Christian could install it on the
test.libreoffice.org/libreoffice.org site when it was ready.

What do you think, guys?

a) We'd get a lot more flexibility with the content.
b) If ever there is a changeover to a Drupal site, there will be no
visual break... the roll-over could be almost invisible.

 PPPS: The graphic on the main page links to http:///download/ (not a
 relative link...)

I know. I had to hack the HTML/CSS to make the shuffler look OK. I'm
waiting for Christian to deal with the fix I already requested. So
it's a temporary thing.

[1] 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/6/65/Liboaustralia-screenshot1.png
[2] 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/1/14/Liboaustralia-screenshot2.png

David Nelson

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[steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status

2010-12-20 Thread David Nelson
Hi Bernhard, :-)

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 05:38, Bernhard Dippold
bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote:
 PPS: I still believe, that the visible part of the main page should not
 contain more than a few lines of text, a download button (can lead to the
 download page) and links to the most interesting areas.

Please give me a suggestion for the few lines of text then.

Twitter and blog in
 the scrolling area are ok, but I think a news area is more important
 than those tow.

Christian, is there a dedicated news/blogging module for SilverStripe?

David Nelson

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Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status

2010-12-20 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi David, *,

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:05 AM, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote:
 On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 05:38, Bernhard Dippold
 bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote:

Twitter and blog in
 the scrolling area are ok, but I think a news area is more important
 than those tow.

 Christian, is there a dedicated news/blogging module for SilverStripe?

Well - there is a blog module, yes (meant for providing blogs
yourself), and regarding news: You can of course add a news section as
well. Similar to how the FAQ-items are automatically collected, one
can collect news items.
And you can create a area on the page that shows the X latest news entries.

The basics on how to do it are laid out in the basic tutorials of silverstripe
http://doc.silverstripe.org/tutorial:2-extending-a-basic-site

If it is just about providing an RSS feed: You can turn pretty much
everything into a RSS feed with silverstripe...

The real questions is: Do we want to add news via the CMS or not.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status

2010-12-20 Thread Tom Davies
SilverStripe?  Is that something that will look a bit like the ribbon-bar in 
the 2007-2010 MicroSquish Office?
Regards from
Tom :)





From: Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com
To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org
Cc: webs...@libreoffice.org
Sent: Tue, 21 December, 2010 2:41:40
Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status

Hi David, *,

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:05 AM, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote:
 On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 05:38, Bernhard Dippold
 bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote:

Twitter and blog in
 the scrolling area are ok, but I think a news area is more important
 than those tow.

 Christian, is there a dedicated news/blogging module for SilverStripe?

Well - there is a blog module, yes (meant for providing blogs
yourself), and regarding news: You can of course add a news section as
well. Similar to how the FAQ-items are automatically collected, one
can collect news items.
And you can create a area on the page that shows the X latest news entries.

The basics on how to do it are laid out in the basic tutorials of silverstripe
http://doc.silverstripe.org/tutorial:2-extending-a-basic-site

If it is just about providing an RSS feed: You can turn pretty much
everything into a RSS feed with silverstripe...

The real questions is: Do we want to add news via the CMS or not.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status

2010-12-20 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi David, *,

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:35 AM, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote:
 On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 05:38, Bernhard Dippold
 bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote:
 [...]
 IMHO, I would scrap the current theme and make a new one. I've never
 done a SilverStripe theme before, but once you've hacked themes for a
 couple of CMS's, you can hack them for another.

You don't hack a theme for silverstripe, you create a css for nicely
created HTML :-))

The cms specific parts should be reduced to a minimum, as I think the
html it creates is semantic enough, and not layout-dependent :-)

 I bet it would only
 take me a few days. If one of you SilverSite CSS/theming gurus helped
 out, I bet we could do it even quicker...

Well, I wouldn't tackle this.
Feedback from the marketing/design/branding front is rather sparse, as
very few people have time these days, so I fear that it ends up like
Nice, you got a theme, but unfortunately it doesn't match our vision
for future branding or similar

I personally don't like the libreofficeaustralia theme as it is now.
Header much too high, language selection doesn't work (something
opens, but that something is covered almost entirely by grey
background, no selection possioble, etc.
Visit it with german locale and you're locked out basically, as it
then also doesn't even offer navigation, etc. So from first looks:
Nah, needs work.

 Florian, Christian, if you gave me access to SSH/FTP into
 http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/ then I could set a new theme up there

No need to have access, the theme is in git:
https://github.com/tdf/cms-themes you can download a zip or tar.gz
there using the download button and you can create an export of the
site using
http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/StaticExporter/export?baseurl=relative
This will get you a html.tar.gz  - copy the cms-themes folder of the
git download into the html folder as html/themes

Then hack around. Don't bother about the silvertsripe templates, just
add the html you wish there would be, I can then adapt the templates.
The templates are included in the cms-themes as well, so feel free to
have a look, it needs some refactoring anyway, (move common parts to
includes, do less duplication), but they are pretty straightforward in
either case.
http://doc.silverstripe.org/templates

 What do you think, guys?

See above. A redesign will very likely have to wait until people are
able to provide input. The discussion on how the navigation should
look for example didn't receive much feedback yet, so whatever you
would do, it would be on a very fragile basis.

 a) We'd get a lot more flexibility with the content.
 b) If ever there is a changeover to a Drupal site, there will be no
 visual break... the roll-over could be almost invisible.

This is a non-argument. Drupal can adapt to whatever we create on
silverstripe, etc.

 PPPS: The graphic on the main page links to http:///download/ (not a
 relative link...)

 I know. I had to hack the HTML/CSS to make the shuffler look OK.

Huh? What does the link have to do with it? You already fixed the
images, the link is completely independent of the
images/photo-shuffler. But I'll fix it nevertheless...

ciao
Christian

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Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status

2010-12-20 Thread Christian Lohmaier
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 I thought Joomla was far easier to use than Drupal and has a much larger 
 faster community?  SilverLight website looks very dated or is it just
 starting-up?

Please don't start trolling. 1st of all it is SilverStripe, not
SilverLight, 2nd if oyu know Joomla, Drupal, etc. Then you should know
that the look is independent of the CMS. What it looks like depends on
how you define the css.

You can make the site look like whatever you want. So please: Don't
argument pro/against a cms by the looks of the css. And yes, it is
starting up, and no, the design is not new, it is closely based on the
documentfoundation.org theme.
We're aware that it is not the nicest theme around there, but if you
want to be constructive, join the webs...@libreoffice.org mailinglist
and/or the design/marketing lists.

There have been various requests for comments, but people are too busy
to spend a considerable amount of time into it right now. There have
been a few proposals, but none of the drupal folks did comment on them
either, and the drupal team did not pick those up either.

So I don't consider the druapl site's theme any better in this regard.
Closed-shop work unfortunately. Instead of working on defining the
look of the site *right now* they prefer working behind closed doors
on the drupal site without providing feedback on the public
mailinglists. I don't like this at all.

It is good to see progress, but when this progress is on a completely
seperate track than the community discussion about the topic, then it
doesn't help at all.

Great. now this post turned into a rant again, but well, be it…

ciao
Christian

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Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status

2010-12-20 Thread David Nelson
Hi Christian, :-)

Thanks for your reply. OK, I've noted about working with the git repo.
Let's see if there's any kind of go-ahead from Florian and Christoph.
If we wait for answers from everyone, we'll never get anywhere and the
subject will just drown in circular, endless discussions. My aim would
be to do something concrete real soon. Let's see what's said...

 I personally don't like the libreofficeaustralia theme as it is now.
 Header much too high, language selection doesn't work (something
 opens, but that something is covered almost entirely by grey
 background, no selection possioble, etc.
 Visit it with german locale and you're locked out basically, as it
 then also doesn't even offer navigation, etc. So from first looks:
 Nah, needs work.

I'm only talking about achieving the same presentation as on that
site, so we're not really worried about what doesn't work on that
site. But it's a clean presentation that will allow us to make the
SilverStripe site and content look good quickly, and it basically fits
the graphic charter...

[1] 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/6/65/Liboaustralia-screenshot1.png
[2] 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/1/14/Liboaustralia-screenshot2.png

P.S. My advice would be not to get into arguments with stupid people
deliberately spamming the thread with irrelevant off-topic comments.
They do it deliberately to break up the intelligent discussion...

David Nelson

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Re: [tdf-discuss] first stable version

2010-12-20 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi Kevin,

2010/12/20 kevin zh kevin.zh1...@gmail.com:
 HI Every,
 the RC1 was released, can you tell me when will the first stable version
 come out,

If I remember correctly, then RC2 was recently tagged in git, this
means, that you can download this version within the next few days.

The final release is planned for January.

Hope this answers your question. ;)

Sigrid

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[tdf-discuss] some really bad news

2010-12-20 Thread Kürti László
http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/12/cptn-holdings-llc-acquirer-of-882.html

so whoever get the idea first that OpenOffice should be free (libre) and not 
only open she must be praised and thanked.

Laszlo

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-20 Thread Michael Wheatland
On 20/12/2010 7:03 PM, Samuel Mehrbrodt s.mehrbr...@googlemail.com
wrote:

 I think it's good to change the names of the Applications so that they
 describe what each application does. LibreOffice is the brand which
 will be known and names of the applications should help to find the
 application you want to use. I would also suggest to translate the
 names of the applications like Google Docs does.
 So we could have:
 Text
 Table
 Presentation
 Drawing
 Formula

I like the idea but you have used a mix of nouns and adjectives. I also
think that calc does far more than 'tables', spreadsheet would be more
descriptive if you wanted to use nouns.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-20 Thread Samuel Mehrbrodt
Spreadsheet is ok for me as long as it gets translated. Because here
in Germany almost nobody would know what Spreadsheet means.
Where did I use adjectives? I think Drawing is also a noun, but maybe
you have a better idea.

2010/12/20 Michael Wheatland mich...@wheatland.com.au:
 On 20/12/2010 7:03 PM, Samuel Mehrbrodt s.mehrbr...@googlemail.com
 wrote:

 I think it's good to change the names of the Applications so that they
 describe what each application does. LibreOffice is the brand which
 will be known and names of the applications should help to find the
 application you want to use. I would also suggest to translate the
 names of the applications like Google Docs does.
 So we could have:
 Text
 Table
 Presentation
 Drawing
 Formula

 I like the idea but you have used a mix of nouns and adjectives. I also
 think that calc does far more than 'tables', spreadsheet would be more
 descriptive if you wanted to use nouns.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-20 Thread Povilas Kanapickas
+1 for Spreadsheed / Presentation / Drawing / Formula.

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Samuel Mehrbrodt 
s.mehrbr...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Spreadsheet is ok for me as long as it gets translated. Because here
 in Germany almost nobody would know what Spreadsheet means.
 Where did I use adjectives? I think Drawing is also a noun, but maybe
 you have a better idea.

 2010/12/20 Michael Wheatland mich...@wheatland.com.au:
  On 20/12/2010 7:03 PM, Samuel Mehrbrodt s.mehrbr...@googlemail.com
  wrote:
 
  I think it's good to change the names of the Applications so that they
  describe what each application does. LibreOffice is the brand which
  will be known and names of the applications should help to find the
  application you want to use. I would also suggest to translate the
  names of the applications like Google Docs does.
  So we could have:
  Text
  Table
  Presentation
  Drawing
  Formula
 
  I like the idea but you have used a mix of nouns and adjectives. I also
  think that calc does far more than 'tables', spreadsheet would be more
  descriptive if you wanted to use nouns.
 
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-20 Thread Barbara Duprey

On 12/20/2010 6:13 AM, Michael Wheatland wrote:

On 20/12/2010 7:03 PM, Samuel Mehrbrodts.mehrbr...@googlemail.com
wrote:

I think it's good to change the names of the Applications so that they
describe what each application does. LibreOffice is the brand which
will be known and names of the applications should help to find the
application you want to use. I would also suggest to translate the
names of the applications like Google Docs does.
So we could have:
Text
Table
Presentation
Drawing
Formula

I like the idea but you have used a mix of nouns and adjectives. I also
think that calc does far more than 'tables', spreadsheet would be more
descriptive if you wanted to use nouns.


All of these can be nouns, though it would more often be Document than Text (but all of the ODF 
objects are referred to as documents, so that won't work here). But I agree that Spreadsheet would 
be a better choice. With the original set here, people trying to create a spreadsheet would most 
likely try Formula. We also need Base or Database.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] [website][drupal] The Drupal website development update - December 2010

2010-12-20 Thread Wolf Halton
Great job! Is there a timeframe for this to replace the current home page?
BTW - your placeholder theme looks fine.  I think you could allow the
regular users to choose from a range of builtin themes.  I build for
readability and comprehension and many themes mar those goals.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-20 Thread Johannes A. Bodwing

Hello,



... for Spreadsheed / Presentation / Drawing / Formula.

...
So we could have:
Text
Table
Presentation
Drawing
Formula




I think we discuss on the basis of computer-stoneage. For example 
Writer/Word/Text e.g., this began decades ago with only text and a 
handful of fonts and simple layout inside an 1 MB RAM (or less).
Nowadays Writer/Text is more than pages with words. With LO it is 
possible to create complex layout with different fonts, stiles, 
pictures, graphic and charts to get books with hundreds of pages in 
professional styling.
Writer/Text/Word are phrases from the past. In the case of Writer/Text 
we continue StarWriter from 1985 with a modern LO. But this phrases do 
not reflect the present status of a modern Office-Suite like LO.
If we change names, we should do it on the background of the real 
functions of a modern Office-Suite. For that eventually we have to think 
deeply about a complete new naming-background for the future LO.


Johannes






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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-20 Thread Robert Derman

Samuel Mehrbrodt wrote:

I think it's good to change the names of the Applications so that they
describe what each application does. LibreOffice is the brand which
will be known and names of the applications should help to find the
application you want to use. I would also suggest to translate the
names of the applications like Google Docs does.
So we could have:
Text
Table
Presentation
Drawing
Formula
  
People have complained that if the names of modules were changed then 
extensions couldn't find them and work with them, and it suddenly 
occured to me that these extensions may not look for the modules name in 
the same place that the user sees it when opening the program.  correct 
me if I am wrong in this.  but if I am not, it would be possible to 
change the name where the user sees it, while leaving it alone where  
the extensions refer to it.That way we could do rebranding without 
messing up the functionality of anything.



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-20 Thread Sebastian G. bastik
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Am 20.12.2010 10:32, schrieb Samuel Mehrbrodt:
 LibreOffice is the brand which
 will be known and names of the applications should help to find the
 application you want to use. I would also suggest to translate the
 names of the applications like Google Docs does.

I don't care whenever the names get changed or not. That's the reason
why I didn't join the discussion about it. If I'm able to recognize what
a component does by looking at it's name I'm fine.

The reason I join the discussion now is that I disagree about
translating the names of the components. I'm German and I like localized
help and menus, but dislike translated application names and technical
words.

I'm on Windows. It would be disturbing if it would be called Fenster.
This message is send with Thunderbird (Donnervogel)(Firefox/Feuerfuchs
and so on)

I agree that users should be able to get help in their native language
and that applications should be localized, but translating the actual
name goes to far IMHO.

Best regards,
bastik

20 Dec 2010, 18:42 (+0100)


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[tdf-discuss] After having joined OIN...

2010-12-20 Thread Carlo Strata

Hi Everyone!

After having joined OIN, two next good steps may be join:

- http://www.oasis-open.org/about/contributors.php
- http://www.odfalliance.org/members.php

What do you think about?

Have a nice evening,

Carlo

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Change executable names

2010-12-20 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-12-17 8:09 PM, NoOp wrote:
 - LO takes over all OOo application defaults  icons.
 - LO uses the same executable names as OOo (soffice.exe, swriter.exe,
 etc). This makes it impossible to select an .odt and re-associate it
 with OOo.

While I absolutely agree that the executable names should be changed,
file associations needs a bit more than that, I was very glad to see
that LibO brought back the ability to choose file associations for Word,
Excel and Powerpoint file types at install time, but more is needed -
the associations for the newer XML formats need to be treated
separately, so, instead of just 3 associations, there would be 6.

With that one difference in mind, I'd *love* to see LibO implement
something along the lines of my long-standing request (77257) for a
proper 'File Extension Manager' (which was created long before the new
XML formats):

http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=77257

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-20 Thread Johannes A. Bodwing

Hi Jeremy and others,

...
Johannes A. Bodwingjo...@arcor.de  wrote:

If we change names, we should do it on the background of the real
functions of a modern Office-Suite. For that eventually we have to
think deeply about a complete new naming-background for the future LO.


On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 19:24:06 +0100
RGB ESrgb.m...@gmail.com  wrote:

Maybe for 4.0... but must be planned with great precision and the old
version must be supported for some time too.


+1



Names for the moduls of LO are not yet the thing. Like some others 
already said:

First their is the final release of LO 3.3 (in januaray 2011 I think).
In my opinion after this release we have to clear the goals of TDF and 
LO and what kind of Office-Suite LO should be in or for the future. 
Eventually even what other kind of software TDF will make.
After that we have a better basis to discuss or not about the best names 
for LO-modules.
That doesn't mean that we fall silent. Everyone can collect his/her 
ideas till the release of LO 3.3, and then - kick off for the best open 
Office Suite ever.


This leads me to the question: Who from TDF/LO has the overview of the 
most effiency schedule for major steps of the TDF/LO-project?
Is there someone who says what has to come next to build the project in 
its best way with the personal it has at the moment?
And could it be helpful to have such a schedule on the webiste of TDF 
and all national groups, with a rough timetable and permanently refreshed?


Johannes


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-20 Thread Bernhard Dippold

Hi Johannes, *

just one remark about your last paragraph:

Johannes A. Bodwing schrieb:

[...] Who from TDF/LO has the overview of the
most effiency schedule for major steps of the TDF/LO-project?


I don't think that such a task can be done by one single person - it has 
been done as a common task by different teams.


Development team knows (more or less) about the skills of the developers 
working on the LibO source.


But as they are volunteers, their areas of interest have to been taken 
into account: Nobody can be forced by anybody else to work on a specific 
task. They can be convinced of course (by defining common goals - or 
paying an adequate amount of money...).


Marketing works on public relations and will be the main area for 
defining our community goals and target groups - based on the Next 
Decade Manifesto 
[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Next_Decade_Manifesto].


Many other teams will have to be taken into account, so there will have 
to be a group of active community members from all of these teams, 
sharing their knowledge based on the expertize in their teams with each 
other and the community.


At the moment such a group is the Steering Committee, after the first 
voting the Board of Directors (BoD) IMHO.


When discussion in the different teams led to conclusions, they should 
be finalized on the steering-discuss list, where all the community 
members interested in this topic - and I hope it is important to every 
community member - can follow the discussion.



Is there someone who says what has to come next to build the project in
its best way with the personal it has at the moment?


For tasks not to be covered inside the dedicated teams this should be 
the SC - led by the experts from the different areas.



And could it be helpful to have such a schedule on the webiste of TDF
and all national groups, with a rough timetable and permanently refreshed?


Of course!

Such a schedule should be created by every team, there are already some 
Work-item pages on the wiki - from the marketing team for example: 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Work_Items


It might be very helpful for the progress we want to do as a whole, if 
there would be some community members collecting the tasks and their 
planned timeframes from the different schedules to a central document.


The TDF work-item wiki page 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Work_Items already provides 
something similar.


I just don't know, if it might be possible to keep such a document 
readable and up-to-date for more than a few months...


Best regards

Bernhard

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Re: [tdf-discuss] [website][drupal] The Drupal website development update - December 2010

2010-12-20 Thread Michael Wheatland
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:19 AM, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote:
 Great job! Is there a timeframe for this to replace the current home page?
 BTW - your placeholder theme looks fine.  I think you could allow the
 regular users to choose from a range of builtin themes.  I build for
 readability and comprehension and many themes mar those goals.

Thanks for the feedback,

There is a proposal from Carlos Jenkins regarding the theme which is
currently under review within the design team mailing list.
IMO Carlos' theme is quite clean and does a good job in maintaining
readability while having a modern feel.
Please have a look at the proposal and feel free to give feedback
either here, on the design list or on the website mailing list.
http://www.cjenkins.net/files/LibO_Website_Design_Proposal_DrupalDevTeam.tar.gz

The timeframe for implementing a Drupal based community site is
dependent on the time it takes to establish high quality customized
work flows for the project teams. We are working through the
documentation workflow at the moment and an 'idea generation' /
'brainstorm' / Feature request tool is being developed so as to have a
structured tool that we can coordinate longer term improvements of
LibreOffice.

Thanks for the interest and any more feedback is welcomed.
Michael Wheatland

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