Re: [steering-discuss] Trademark Policy of the Document Foundation
Hi Andre, On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 17:37 +0100, André Schnabel wrote: Thus uses of the Marks in a domain name, or business name without explicit written permission from TDF are prohibited. just to get this right: business name means name of a product, service, company, organization Good point; 'business' is confusing, I switched it to company name to make it more comprehensible: Thus uses of the Marks in a domain name or company name without explicit written permission from TDF are prohibited. Wrt. product name - hopefully everyone distributing it calls the product LibreOffice - this is our plan at least, so forbidding that would not be ideal (cf. permitted use). Thanks, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[steering-discuss] Re: Trademark Policy of the Document Foundation
Le 28/01/11 13:47, Michael Meeks a écrit : Hi Michael, I suppose they need permission :-) With the caveat of the fair use exception, which does not require permission. The notion of fair use varies from country to country. In some countries, you are even allowed to use registered trademarks in parodied form, without impugning the TM holder' rights. Alex -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[steering-discuss] Re: SC Vote on first members of TDF
On 1/28/11 4:51 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: *** Steering Committee Members their deputies only *** 1) approve that people listed at http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/ are current members of TDF according to our ByLaws YES 2) approve Fridrich Strba as member of TDF YES -- Italo Vignoli - The Document Foundation E-mail: italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org Mobile +39.348.5653829 - VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli - GTalk: italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] SC Vote on first members of TDF
I'm not a voting member but it all looks good to me, apart from being inquorate and these glitches are unavoidable sometimes. Many thanks to all of you for an excellent first release and an amazing job in setting up community systems so quickly! Congrats, thanks and regards from Tom :) From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Cc: Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com; Thorsten Behrens tbehr...@novell.com; Caolán McNamara caol...@redhat.com; André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net; gautier.sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com; flo...@documentfoundation.org; Olivier Hallot dir...@broffice.org; Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com; Claudio F Filho filh...@gmail.com; Leif Lodahl l...@magenta-aps.dk; Davide Dozza dav...@flossconsulting.it; Cor Nouws c...@nouenoff.nl; Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com Sent: Fri, 28 January, 2011 15:51:36 Subject: [steering-discuss] SC Vote on first members of TDF *** Steering Committee Members their deputies only *** As we haven't reached a quorum last night we need to decide for practical reasons on two specific questions. These questions relate to the formation of the Membership Committee. By decision of the SC we have appointed André Schnabel, Sophie Gautier and Fridrich Strba as the three members of this Membership Council. But we need to regularly jumpstart the committee and the membership formation process. We should thus vote on two specific points of order: 1) approve that people listed at http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/ are current members of TDF according to our ByLaws 2) approve Fridrich Strba as member of TDF We are going to vote here on this list and the vote will be open for the next 24 hours. Two simple rules: - vote yes or no for each question, by sending your mail to this list with 1) yes/no 2) yes/no - deputies can vote if their corresponding SC member is not available. Best, -- Charles-H. Schulz Membre du Comité exécutif The Document Foundation. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] SC Vote on first members of TDF
Hello, Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2011-01-28 16.51: 1) approve that people listed at http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/ are current members of TDF according to our ByLaws yes 2) approve Fridrich Strba as member of TDF yes Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] About Membership Committee
Hi, :-) On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 20:45, Andre Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net wrote: I'd guess sooner or later three MC members will not be enough to process all the applications and review all types of activities. If you need a hand, please feel free to invite me. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-design] Breaking out of the box (applications versus objects)
Hi Greg, *, yes I read it all and I'm fully with you. But what you are proposing here is not a Design choice it's a general choice and should be on the discuss Mailinglist from libreoffice. discuss@documentfoundation.org What I can say is that for the moment they have all the different applications work with shared scripts and all, to minimize the data they use. (I'm not going further because I'm not quit sure) I have forwarded this mail ;-) Houbsi On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:44:46 +, noh.way.jose noh.way.j...@dsl.pipex.com wrote: I'm new to this community, so please forgive me if the topic I'd like to discuss has already been aired. To set the scene, first a bit of summarised, probably partisan and probably only partially accurate context. I point this out because I wouldn't want the thread to spin off into pedantic historic details and corrections. Having been around the computer industry for many years now, I have kept abreast of computing advancements by reading the industry news, developing products and using them. A pattern of acquisitions, mergers,aggregations, best practice, standards and plain copying has been going on so relentlessly that I believe that the fruits of these enterprises no longer adequately meet users needs as well as can be. The original modern interface (Xerox Star) didn't differentiate by application but by objects familiar to users. The application rot started with the commercial versions of this approach but really got application centric with Windows '95. My rough recollection is that MS Office started as a bunch of acquisitions that map pretty much to the applications we see now, whether MS, OOO or LO. That is; a word processor, a presentation manager, a spreadsheet and a database. Leaving the DB out of the argument for the moment, as a non presentation centric technology, I'd like to propose Libre Office consider a mid to long term strategy to ditch the artificial boundaries between applications. Let us return to the idea of supporting users' needs without filtering them through artificial application capabilities! Instead of applications, let's have a document, a variety of choices of rendering the document (print, screen, presentation, web, edit, collaborative edit, c.) and tools. The tools can still be categorised, but not as they are in applications, where the application is a hard boundary. The tools here could all be used, irrespective of the presentation mechanism. Categorisation of the tools need only be done as a means to support user tasks, perhaps along multiple dimensions, using tags. This proposal means only having to develop a tool once and allowing the concurrent availability of tools that the artificial applications boundaries would normally exclude. For example, DTP tools, such as layout grids and text flow, which could be used alongside more traditional word processing tools in documents, presentations and other formats. Of course, the toolset and the rendering mechanisms could be extended in a modular way, making the development time-line much more appropriate to an open source community, with competition for tool developers to build a better tool. If the core design team act in an editorial and standards capacity, then the result can hang together seamlessly. (Apple seems to have cracked this a bit ;o) Enough rambling from me. I'd be really interested to see if there's anyone else who gets what I'm on about and whether there's enough interest to start investigating in more detail. If on the other hand you think I've got it all wrong, I'm happy to defend my views or admit defeat, depending on the feedback. If you read this far, well done :o) Cheers, Greg -- Mike Houben UI - Coding - Animation http://www.crazyhstudio.net -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] test - having list access problems
Hi Alan, first, this kind of question is more suited for the users-list (us...@libreoffice.org). I'll try to answer your question nonetheless. 2011/1/27 alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com: On 27/01/11 18:11, alan c wrote: test - having list access problems odd. This message seemed to get through ok, but other messages do not. Just in case it does get through ok, I will also state here my real problem! It is not clear to me how I should install LO 3.3. I have torrented down LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz and also LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_langpack-deb_en-GB.tar.gz I have then extracted and obtained LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US and LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86_langpack-deb_en-GB I am totally confused at the extracted packages: for example, one folder contains a bout 50 deb files! I am using ubuntu 10.04.1. Is there a help page somewhere for guidance? tia You can find installation instructions here: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/linux/ But to make it short: open a terminal, change into the sub-directory that contains all the .deb-files and run the following command (as root or by using sudo) dpkg -i *.deb This will install then all the files in the correct order. You might have to install the desktop-integration package as well. Do the same for your language-pack. Hope, that this helps you. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] test - having list access problems
Hi Florian! This happens also with, e.g., us...@it.libreoffice.org I think it's a true problem! Carlo Il 27/01/2011 21:02, Florian Effenberger ha scritto: As the list name says, it is an ANNOUNCEMENT list. You can NOT post there. :) yahoo-pier_andreit wrote on 2011-01-27 20.15: confirm the problem at Italian listannou...@it.libreoffice.org , I sent subscription mail I received subscription confirmation mail I sent back subscription mail I received confirmation welcome of subscription I received also an options available mail I sent a test I don't receive any mail I sent again subscription mail I received an already inscription mail I sent another test I din't receive any mail what happens??:-) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] help - can not understand how to install LO3.3
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 5:45 AM, Nicola Di Deo nic...@mailopen.net wrote: On 27/01/2011 20:25, alan c wrote: It is not clear to me how I should install LO 3.3. I have torrented down LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz and also LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_langpack-deb_en-GB.tar.gz I have then extracted and obtained LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US and LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86_langpack-deb_en-GB I am totally confused at the extracted packages: for example, one folder contains a bout 50 deb files! I am using ubuntu 10.04.1. Is there a help page somewhere for guidance? tia 1) extract all files 2) open terminal 3) cd /home/yourhome/wheredownloadedfiles/LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US/DEBS 4) sudo apt-get remove libreoffice*.* 5) sudo dpkg -i ./*.deb 6) cd ./desktop-integration 7) sudo dpkg -i ./*.deb Do the same for the other package Done Does running the executable file ./update work as an install also? This is a file that comes packaged with the download. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] feature request, calc cell content copy behaviour
Readers, m$ excel allows content in cells a1, a3, a5 to be selected and copied to a7, a9, a11. This is not possible in calc. A feature request please. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Hate to mention this but
Yeah, sorry about this NoOp - I should have mentioned we tried that but got complete gibberish. On 27/01/2011 23:27, NoOp wrote: On 01/27/2011 02:50 PM, Mark Preston wrote: The other day we were sent a document but the sender had - presumably by mistake - a template rather than document and in the DOTX format. Searching the web, we found this is a horrible format with which an awful lot of people have had problems with this format and even the Microsoft Word Viewer will not handle it. I just want to check that, along with the DOCX formats, LibreOffice will also be able to open DOTX - and, of course, recognise them as a template rather than a document. File|Open|File type: you will find dotx at 'Microsoft Word 2007 XML Template'. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice Final or still RC4 (64 Deb)
MD5sums ... why didn't I think of that? Thanks n regards On 01/28/2011 09:54 AM, NoOp wrote: On 01/27/2011 05:01 PM, Johanes Lee wrote: Hi, I downloaded LibreOffice 64-bit for Deb Version: LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz But extracted as following directory LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US Install success, Found this version information in the About screen: LibreOffice 3.3.0 OOO330m19 (Build:6) tag libreoffice-3.3.0.4 Did I download and install the latest version of LibreOffice? Yes. MD5sums are the same on both. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[steering-discuss] Re: SC Vote on first members of TDF
Thorsten is on vacation, so as his deputy I say: On Fri, 2011-01-28 at 16:51 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: 1) approve that people listed at http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/ are current members of TDF according to our ByLaws YES; 2) approve Fridrich Strba as member of TDF YES :-) Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: Trademark Policy of the Document Foundation
Hi Alex, On Fri, 2011-01-28 at 15:00 +0100, Alexander Thurgood wrote: I suppose they need permission :-) .. With the caveat of the fair use exception, which does not require Sure, sure - however, we cannot write a single document for every jurisdiction that covers all notions of fair-use, and is yet readable, and helpful. Certainly - copyright only works in some jurisdictions - but we still have licenses left and right that assume it works everywhere :-) So - do you see a problem with broadly laying out what we do and don't expect ? Honestly, I expect the SC to be very forgiving for all legitimate and constructive users. ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] EPS images in ODF documents
Hello! I write books containing a lot of EPS images. When I have tried to use OpenOffice I have not been satisfied with the rendition of the inserted EPS images. Is LibreOffice better than OpenOffice in this respect? Regards, Magnus Johansson -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/EPS-images-in-ODF-documents-tp2367354p2367354.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] EPS images in ODF documents
It is not. During edition you can only see the raster preview (when available). But you can still use eps images on Writer without too much problems: you just need not to use the native pdf export. Use a postscript printer driver to print to a file instead, and then convert that postscript file to pdf using, for example, ghostscript. 2011/1/28 Magnus Johansson e.m.johans...@spray.se: Hello! I write books containing a lot of EPS images. When I have tried to use OpenOffice I have not been satisfied with the rendition of the inserted EPS images. Is LibreOffice better than OpenOffice in this respect? Regards, Magnus Johansson -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/EPS-images-in-ODF-documents-tp2367354p2367354.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: The Document Foundation launches LibreOffice 3.3
On 01/27/2011 03:34 AM, Michael Meeks wrote: Hi there, On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 18:43 -0800, NoOp wrote: It also still uses soffice.exe et all in Windows; meaning that LO still takes over OOo if both are installed in parallel. Unfortunately, there is some inevitability of conflict here. This would have always been the situation between StarOffice and OpenOffice in the past eg. AFAIK (and I am no expert), we would both want to clobber the same COM component names - and remove them socially on uninstall etc. Short of the typical I notice XYZ other app is the default, do you want to change to me type code that would need adding on both sides, there will be issues here for a while. The latter seems MS like; are LO insistent on obliterating OOo by continuing to use OOo registry entries and executable file names? If you install OO.o over LO - you will find it does the same thing; there is no malice implied on either side. Actually OOo does not. I just tested OOo final 3.3.0 on WinXP and it does not disturb LO. Right-clicking on an .odt and selecting 'Open With' offers: OpenOffice.org Writer (OOo 3.3.0 stable was installed after LO) LibreOffice Writer (RC4/Stable is installed) Microsoft Word I suggest that you revisit the Change executable/sh names thread that I started on the dev list. That SVG import still is incomplete and doesn't work properly. In fact SVG import is pretty much an ongoing joke (whether it be OOo-go-oo or LO). Well; it does something useful; we (and you) are welcome to make it better. In my view, something useful is almost always better than nothing, even if it is not perfect. Perhaps the most serious thing it does is showcase the poor performance of draw with lots of complex shapes - something that is intrinsic to draw, but of course not seen if you don't load any data into it ;-) Perhaps 'ongoing joke' was a little harsh I offer my apologies to Bernhard Haumacher any devs that have been working on it since then. However the problem(s) have been ongoing for years (starting in 2005 + http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/SVG_Import_Filter). My point was; promoting a broken feature as key reason to switch to LO seems to me to be misguided. You know it's broke, I know it's broke, and the multiple (years old) bug reports validate my opinion. It really doesn't matter if the issue is with Draw or the SVG extension/code, the issue is/was the press release promoting a feature with significant issues. Sorry, but IMO RC4/Final should have waited awhile until some of the more basic bugs were resolved. I am sorry you think so. But rest assured, you'll have plenty of time to fix and test bug fixes for 3.3.1 with us all. It is not as if the baseline we are starting from is bug-free perfection too. Happy to help in any way that I can. BTW these might be worth a look/relook as well: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/138141 [[upstream] export of openoffice draw to svg renders text invisable in the svg file] - note my post of 2008 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32852 [[Linux] LibORC2: Impress video / `GLIBCXX_3.4.11' not found] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33050 [ [FILESAVE] LibO stops responding saving particular documents as .doc] If you look at the history, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_activity.cgi?id=33050 you'll find that was discovered in RC2. There's more, but that's enough for this response. I'm quite happy to help via troubleshooting/testing etc., but IMO taking a fast track to release so soon after RC4 (which is the stable release) is an indication that the releases are timed to distros/other events. I think it better to slow things down and release 'when LO are ready' rather than on buttons pushed by outside sources. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***