Re: [tdf-discuss] Two simple writer annoyances
On 1 May 2011 11:22, Sigrid Carrera wrote: > Hi Alexander, > > On Sun, 01 May 2011 07:16:37 +0200 > Alexander Ostuni wrote: > > > Yes, it is build to produce Dokuments and because of that I need to > > rotate a picture. I work in a bank. We have restrictions on the > > installed programms. I am not allowed to install any application that > > can rotate pictures. > > I have to create our formulars/documents. Each of them has a barcode. I > > get the barcodes horizontally but need them vertically in the > > formulars/dokuments. > > In MS word I can rotate them, in LO (wich is allowed in our bank and > > also the software we shall use over Word) not, so I can't use LO but > > have to use Word. > > If you have LibO on your computer, why don't you use then Draw to rotate > the barcode? Sure, it is more convenient to have that feature in Writer, but > Draw is the specialised component for drawings and it has a lot more > functions and capabilities, that you could ever built into a text processing > component. > Good point. I'm probably just out of the habit of using Draw because I find Inkscape better for me in many ways. On the other hand, being able to right click on an image and rotate it situ is a bit more elegant than having to OLE to Draw just for a simple change in position, size or orientation. Personally I think you should be able to adjust size and position in situ and just go to Draw if you need to edit. Just seems better ergonomics. The case of the barcode shows that going to Draw is probably not intutitive for most users and that is also quite an important consideration. > > Sigrid > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQ www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Two simple writer annoyances
Hi Alexander, Didn't know it wasn't possible to rotate images in Writer, and I agree this should be straightforward an option in the context-menu. Nevertheless there's a way to do this; don't insert your bar-code as a picture but as an OLE-object - choose LibreOffice Draw as the type - then you have an Draw object inside your Writer document. Double-clicking on the Draw object makes Draw menus appear, you'd import the bar-code as picture, right-click for properties, and one of the tabs contains rotation info. Clumsy but works and is a couple of mouse-clicks further than if the command was available in Writer. Other disadvantage is that it may be a bit tedious positioning the image inside the object frame, especially if the image is small (zoom in!). Good luck, Sveinn í Felli Þann sun 1.maí 2011 17:54, skrifaði Marc Paré: Hi Alexander Thanks for your input that I find very down to earth and practical. I am just curious, as you seem quite interested in LibreOffice, just as an exercise, would it be possible for you to take a document where you had to rotate an barcode and use Draw to rotate it and then insert the rotated image into the LibreOffice document? I would be interested in your comments on the process, just to see how we could streamline the process for LibreOffice. I believe this could be added to the bug/feature request and that it could add a more realistic "every-day application" of the rotation of a graphic. Cheers Marc Le 2011-05-01 08:33, Alexander Ostuni a écrit : Hi, yes, I could. But with MS Word I am simply quicker than use an extra application just for rotate the barcode... and time is money. Sigrid Carrera schrieb: Hi Alexander, On Sun, 01 May 2011 07:16:37 +0200 Alexander Ostuni wrote: Yes, it is build to produce Dokuments and because of that I need to rotate a picture. I work in a bank. We have restrictions on the installed programms. I am not allowed to install any application that can rotate pictures. I have to create our formulars/documents. Each of them has a barcode. I get the barcodes horizontally but need them vertically in the formulars/dokuments. In MS word I can rotate them, in LO (wich is allowed in our bank and also the software we shall use over Word) not, so I can't use LO but have to use Word. If you have LibO on your computer, why don't you use then Draw to rotate the barcode? Sure, it is more convenient to have that feature in Writer, but Draw is the specialised component for drawings and it has a lot more functions and capabilities, that you could ever built into a text processing component. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Two simple writer annoyances
Hi, yes, I have done that before, because I prefer Libreoffice to Word, I use it at home, too, but I end up in doing this kind of work in Word at work. At home I use a OOo plug in that allows me to rotate pictures, but even that I am not allowed to install at work (only applications that are testet and approved by our computer centre are allowed, and they work for hundrets of banks, so if only a few people demand for a certain program(part) to be approved it can last years till something happens. To answer in short: I have already done this with draw, but due to my lazines I end up doing the dokuments in Word, as it is quicker and I need only one application. Cheers Alex Marc Paré schrieb: Hi Alexander Thanks for your input that I find very down to earth and practical. I am just curious, as you seem quite interested in LibreOffice, just as an exercise, would it be possible for you to take a document where you had to rotate an barcode and use Draw to rotate it and then insert the rotated image into the LibreOffice document? I would be interested in your comments on the process, just to see how we could streamline the process for LibreOffice. I believe this could be added to the bug/feature request and that it could add a more realistic "every-day application" of the rotation of a graphic. Cheers Marc Le 2011-05-01 08:33, Alexander Ostuni a écrit : Hi, yes, I could. But with MS Word I am simply quicker than use an extra application just for rotate the barcode... and time is money. Sigrid Carrera schrieb: Hi Alexander, On Sun, 01 May 2011 07:16:37 +0200 Alexander Ostuni wrote: Yes, it is build to produce Dokuments and because of that I need to rotate a picture. I work in a bank. We have restrictions on the installed programms. I am not allowed to install any application that can rotate pictures. I have to create our formulars/documents. Each of them has a barcode. I get the barcodes horizontally but need them vertically in the formulars/dokuments. In MS word I can rotate them, in LO (wich is allowed in our bank and also the software we shall use over Word) not, so I can't use LO but have to use Word. If you have LibO on your computer, why don't you use then Draw to rotate the barcode? Sure, it is more convenient to have that feature in Writer, but Draw is the specialised component for drawings and it has a lot more functions and capabilities, that you could ever built into a text processing component. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Two simple writer annoyances
Hi Alexander Thanks for your input that I find very down to earth and practical. I am just curious, as you seem quite interested in LibreOffice, just as an exercise, would it be possible for you to take a document where you had to rotate an barcode and use Draw to rotate it and then insert the rotated image into the LibreOffice document? I would be interested in your comments on the process, just to see how we could streamline the process for LibreOffice. I believe this could be added to the bug/feature request and that it could add a more realistic "every-day application" of the rotation of a graphic. Cheers Marc Le 2011-05-01 08:33, Alexander Ostuni a écrit : Hi, yes, I could. But with MS Word I am simply quicker than use an extra application just for rotate the barcode... and time is money. Sigrid Carrera schrieb: Hi Alexander, On Sun, 01 May 2011 07:16:37 +0200 Alexander Ostuni wrote: Yes, it is build to produce Dokuments and because of that I need to rotate a picture. I work in a bank. We have restrictions on the installed programms. I am not allowed to install any application that can rotate pictures. I have to create our formulars/documents. Each of them has a barcode. I get the barcodes horizontally but need them vertically in the formulars/dokuments. In MS word I can rotate them, in LO (wich is allowed in our bank and also the software we shall use over Word) not, so I can't use LO but have to use Word. If you have LibO on your computer, why don't you use then Draw to rotate the barcode? Sure, it is more convenient to have that feature in Writer, but Draw is the specialised component for drawings and it has a lot more functions and capabilities, that you could ever built into a text processing component. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Two simple writer annoyances
On 1 May 2011 11:30, Krabina Bernhard wrote: > > You are confusing programs: a Word Processor (such as LibreOffice > > Writer) is > > not a Desktop Publishing software. > > I don't think anybody is confusing something. Not so long ago with you > mobile phone you could make phonecalls, nothing else. Things change and I > think that from a modern word processor you can expect to rotate an image > (at least 90 and 180 degrees) and to add image captions below and above an > image. > > just look at what other word processors can do. libo should not fall behind > that. > > > I suggest that you use the FLOSS (Free/Libre Open Source Software) > > Desktop > > Publisher named Scribus > > you are right, for real dtp applications scribus is the correct choice. but > again, "normal" users of a word processor expect some simple dtp-functions > like the ones mentioned. If someone wants to do a simple birthday invitation > card, he/she should not have to go dtp (or even gimp etc) to do so... > Personally, I'd say GIMP is the wrong tool to design a birthday card. Use Draw of Inkscape for design graphics and GIMP for editing photographs and scans. :-) > regards, > Bernhard > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQ www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Two simple writer annoyances
Hi, yes, I could. But with MS Word I am simply quicker than use an extra application just for rotate the barcode... and time is money. Sigrid Carrera schrieb: Hi Alexander, On Sun, 01 May 2011 07:16:37 +0200 Alexander Ostuni wrote: Yes, it is build to produce Dokuments and because of that I need to rotate a picture. I work in a bank. We have restrictions on the installed programms. I am not allowed to install any application that can rotate pictures. I have to create our formulars/documents. Each of them has a barcode. I get the barcodes horizontally but need them vertically in the formulars/dokuments. In MS word I can rotate them, in LO (wich is allowed in our bank and also the software we shall use over Word) not, so I can't use LO but have to use Word. If you have LibO on your computer, why don't you use then Draw to rotate the barcode? Sure, it is more convenient to have that feature in Writer, but Draw is the specialised component for drawings and it has a lot more functions and capabilities, that you could ever built into a text processing component. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Two simple writer annoyances
> You are confusing programs: a Word Processor (such as LibreOffice > Writer) is > not a Desktop Publishing software. I don't think anybody is confusing something. Not so long ago with you mobile phone you could make phonecalls, nothing else. Things change and I think that from a modern word processor you can expect to rotate an image (at least 90 and 180 degrees) and to add image captions below and above an image. just look at what other word processors can do. libo should not fall behind that. > I suggest that you use the FLOSS (Free/Libre Open Source Software) > Desktop > Publisher named Scribus you are right, for real dtp applications scribus is the correct choice. but again, "normal" users of a word processor expect some simple dtp-functions like the ones mentioned. If someone wants to do a simple birthday invitation card, he/she should not have to go dtp (or even gimp etc) to do so... regards, Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Two simple writer annoyances
Hi Alexander, On Sun, 01 May 2011 07:16:37 +0200 Alexander Ostuni wrote: > Yes, it is build to produce Dokuments and because of that I need to > rotate a picture. I work in a bank. We have restrictions on the > installed programms. I am not allowed to install any application that > can rotate pictures. > I have to create our formulars/documents. Each of them has a barcode. I > get the barcodes horizontally but need them vertically in the > formulars/dokuments. > In MS word I can rotate them, in LO (wich is allowed in our bank and > also the software we shall use over Word) not, so I can't use LO but > have to use Word. If you have LibO on your computer, why don't you use then Draw to rotate the barcode? Sure, it is more convenient to have that feature in Writer, but Draw is the specialised component for drawings and it has a lot more functions and capabilities, that you could ever built into a text processing component. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Two simple writer annoyances
On 1 May 2011 00:05, plino wrote: > @Ian > > > Over 20 years ago I used Impression Publisher and it could rotate > graphics > > You are confusing programs: a Word Processor (such as LibreOffice Writer) > is > not a Desktop Publishing software. > Impression Publisher was a document processor. It was perfectly possible to write a simple letter or publish a magazine with it. Mostly the reasons for the separation of WP and DTP were limitations of the technologies that made DTP much more expensive because it was graphically based whereas WP was character based. That was 30 years ago, everything is graphically based now so no need for a distinction. There really should be no need to make what is an artificial distinction these days. Is this book I published WP or DTP? http://www.lulu.com/browse/search.php?fListingClass=0&fSearch=Tales+from+the+Microcosm. or http://www.lulu.com/browse/search.php?fListingClass=0&fSearch=International+grades&fSubmitSearch=Go&showingSubPanels=&fSort=relevance_desc I suggest that you use the FLOSS (Free/Libre Open Source Software) Desktop > Publisher named Scribus > No practical need. In fact Scribus, as far as I know, is at least partly inspired by Impression. We do use it for a newsletter production but the fact is it would be simpler to just use Inkscape for that. Really the ideal application design would be a modular system a bit like Drupal or Firefox plugins where you installed modules in a framework for basic text processing, graphics handling etc as needed. The equivalent of Impression Publisher these days would be just a "Publisher" that could be configured in a modular way to do text editing, web publishing, WP, DTP etc by adding open standards compliant modules that communicated in a standard way between each other but could be implemented independently of each other. Then contributed modules would be easier to write and easier to maintain or configure in a devolved way. If someone modified an element of the modular structure it could be simply plugged in as a replacement. http://www.scribus.net/canvas/Scribus-- > View this message in context: > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Two-simple-writer-annoyances-tp2878308p2884429.html > Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQ www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums - A Different Question
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > ... : the forums at http://user.services.openoffice.org/ ... are probably the > best place > where LibreOffice users can get support if they don't like mailing > lists. > > Regards, > Andrea. > > Very true. The mods and volunteers there do a wonderful job. Those forums deserve a lot of credit (and publicity). -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
