Re: [steering-discuss] Next SPI Meeting
Hi Sophie, Sophie Gautier wrote on 2011-05-03 11.57: The next SPI meeting is on Wednesday 11th May 20:30 UTC. I'll attend it. Agenda of the meeting can be found here : http://www.spi-inc.org/meetings/agendas/2011/2011-05-11/ thanks a lot! I won't be able to make it (that would be 2230 in Germany). Can you sum up the important decisions affecting LibreOffice afterwards? Thanks! :) Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] My application was rejected, ;-(
Hi all, my application was rejected, apparently I haven't made non-trivial contributions to the TDF. :-( -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [tdf-discuss] My application was rejected, ;-(
That is the game in a meritocracy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meritocracy) -Original Message- From: Jaime R. Garza [mailto:gar...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 10:53 AM To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: [tdf-discuss] My application was rejected, ;-( Hi all, my application was rejected, apparently I haven't made non-trivial contributions to the TDF. :-( -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] My application was rejected, ;-(
Hi Jaime, On 04/05/2011 11:53, Jaime R. Garza wrote: Hi all, my application was rejected, apparently I haven't made non-trivial contributions to the TDF. :-( And you said it yourself in your application ;) Please, feel encouraged to go on with your contributions through this rejection, and don't forget to apply again when you have little more of them (discussion is difficult for us to quantify as a contribution, but depending on the issue of it, it could be too, no problem). Also next time, try to indicate people that can help to reference or endorse your contributions, that will help us to value them, we can't spend to much time digging every where to find the valuable information. Thanks for your understanding, and please don't feel sad, I'll be really happy to review your application again the next time. Kind regards Sophie Membership Committee Member -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] TDF SC conference in CW 18
Hi, Florian Effenberger wrote on 2011-05-01 13.38: it's time to vote on when we should have the TDF SC conference in CW 18. :-) Cast your vote here: http://www.doodle.com/qczse2ik43g8u5w6 the next call will be this Friday, 1600 UTC. See the above Doodle poll for the time in your timezone. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] My application was rejected, ;-(
Hello all, Yes, the truth is that I have only being part of the MAIL-LISTS and my contributions for now have been nothing more that ideas, comments and suggestions. So, as Sophie said, that's difficult to quantify and qualify. If someone in the Mail lists thinks I have contributed something that is non-trivial, please let me know. Cheers! Jaime R. Garza On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:10, sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jaime, On 04/05/2011 11:53, Jaime R. Garza wrote: Hi all, my application was rejected, apparently I haven't made non-trivial contributions to the TDF. :-( And you said it yourself in your application ;) Please, feel encouraged to go on with your contributions through this rejection, and don't forget to apply again when you have little more of them (discussion is difficult for us to quantify as a contribution, but depending on the issue of it, it could be too, no problem). Also next time, try to indicate people that can help to reference or endorse your contributions, that will help us to value them, we can't spend to much time digging every where to find the valuable information. Thanks for your understanding, and please don't feel sad, I'll be really happy to review your application again the next time. Kind regards Sophie Membership Committee Member -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no
Hi Thanks for the time to answer. The symbol is not in the wikipage indicated. It's an ∃ overlapped with /, or barred ∃, the negation of exist (∃). I wonder if this symbol can be added to Math, and if there is a code (unicode) for it. Regards Olivier Em 04-05-2011 02:07, Steve Edmonds escreveu: On 2011-05-04 16:47, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 03/05/2011 21:26, Olivier Hallot a écrit : Hi Does anybody knows if in LO Math there si a way to represent the mathematical symbol for There is no, which is a barred flipped E? Is it difficult to add it to the Elements windows? If a bug is already open, and one of you knows it, can I get the number to track it? Thanks in advance. Hi Olivier, Is a notin b the answer you asked for ? Best regards JBF Is it ∃! or ∉ See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mathematical_symbols in case unicode above is not transmitted by the list server and please advise if the symbol is there. steve -- Olivier Hallot Founder, Steering Commitee Member - The Document Foundation Voicing the enterprise needs LibreOffice translation leader for Brazilian Portuguese +55-21-8822-8812 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no
...should have added ∄On 04/05/2011 11:12, Mike Hall wrote:Unicode Character 'THERE DOES NOT EXIST' (U+2204) == see...www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2204/index.htm... easily found with a Google searchMikeOn 04/05/2011 11:07, Olivier Hallot wrote:HiThanks for the time to answer.The symbol is not in the wikipage indicated.It's an ∃ overlapped with /, or barred ∃, the negation of exist (∃).I wonder if this symbol can be added to Math, and if there is a code (unicode) for it.RegardsOlivierEm 04-05-2011 02:07, Steve Edmonds escreveu:On 2011-05-04 16:47, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote:Le 03/05/2011 21:26, Olivier Hallot a écrit :HiDoes anybody knows if in LO Math there si a way to represent themathematical symbol for There is no, which is a barred flipped E?Is it difficult to add it to the Elements windows? If a bug is alreadyopen, and one of you knows it, can I get the number to track it?Thanks in advance.Hi Olivier,Is a notin b the answer you asked for ?Best regardsJBFIs it ∃! or ∉Seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mathematical_symbolsin caseunicode above is not transmitted by the list server and please advise ifthe symbol is there.steve-- Mike Hallwww.onepoyle.net-- Mike Hallwww.onepoyle.net -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] My application was rejected, ;-(
Hi Jaime, Jaime R. Garza wrote on 2011-05-04 11.16: Yes, the truth is that I have only being part of the MAIL-LISTS and my contributions for now have been nothing more that ideas, comments and suggestions. So, as Sophie said, that's difficult to quantify and qualify. If someone in the Mail lists thinks I have contributed something that is non-trivial, please let me know. I'm totally un-involved in the membership application process, so I want to spread a few personal thoughts. First of all, thanks for your application! Especially during the discussion of the bylaws and statutes, it became clear to me that with our membership process we are to create something unique even in the world of (at least German) foundations. Our members get a lot of powers. This is exactly what reflects our community approach, but on the other hand, it means that we -- not just for ourselves, but also for the legal process -- need to justify these powers. I must confess I didn't follow all your mails closely, so don't get me wrong on the following paragraphs, this is more an abstract thought rather than for your concrete application. :-) If we were to accept the application of everyone posting a few messages to the list, then on the one hand we would have a large membership base, which is good. On the other hand, it might get problematic justifying that. So, what we are trying to approach with the membership process is that we want to actively engage community members, and then granting them rights like to vote or to being voted for. To me it is obvious that someone who just writes an e-mail now and then is not a member of TDF. Someone who does more, and wants to be involved, should be a member indeed. Doing more can indeed consist of writing e-mails, actively joining discussions, contributing... but it doesn't have to necessarily. It will be pretty hard to always do the right thing, so we might grant some applications that maybe shouldn't, and reject others that we should accept instead. We're all humans and make mistakes sometimes. :-) So, feel free to state what your contributions have been. I know the members of the membership committee very well, and they do a tremendous job. As many others, they have to read hundreds (!) of e-mails per day, next to their day job, family life and so on, so it is rather like that some contribution just slips through... Again, I'm neither involved in the membership process itself, nor do I know concrete details for your application, but I wanted to share a few generic thoughts. :-) Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] My application was rejected, ;-(
On 4 May 2011, at 11:50, Florian Effenberger wrote: If we were to accept the application of everyone posting a few messages to the list, then on the one hand we would have a large membership base, which is good. On the other hand, it might get problematic justifying that. So, what we are trying to approach with the membership process is that we want to actively engage community members, and then granting them rights like to vote or to being voted for. To me it is obvious that someone who just writes an e-mail now and then is not a member of TDF. Someone who does more, and wants to be involved, should be a member indeed. Doing more can indeed consist of writing e-mails, actively joining discussions, contributing... but it doesn't have to necessarily. As we've been considering the revision of the governance over at OSI, it's been clear we need to offer a membership option to the many people who associate themselves with Open Source without complicating OSI's official governance by having huge numbers of people involved in it who may not be fully engaged. As a consequence, we are considering having a membership category where people express their support (maybe by making a donation) and gain some benefits (maybe an e-mail address or the right to describe themselves as associated) but don't immediately become part of the governance of the Foundation. Has the Steering Committee considered creating a similar scheme to permit association without complicating the official governance? Regards, S. -- Simon Phipps, http://webmink.com/ OSI Director, FSFE Fellow, Document Foundation Member -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] My application was rejected, ;-(
Hi Simon, On 04/05/2011 14:35, Simon Phipps wrote: On 4 May 2011, at 11:50, Florian Effenberger wrote: If we were to accept the application of everyone posting a few messages to the list, then on the one hand we would have a large membership base, which is good. On the other hand, it might get problematic justifying that. So, what we are trying to approach with the membership process is that we want to actively engage community members, and then granting them rights like to vote or to being voted for. To me it is obvious that someone who just writes an e-mail now and then is not a member of TDF. Someone who does more, and wants to be involved, should be a member indeed. Doing more can indeed consist of writing e-mails, actively joining discussions, contributing... but it doesn't have to necessarily. As we've been considering the revision of the governance over at OSI, it's been clear we need to offer a membership option to the many people who associate themselves with Open Source without complicating OSI's official governance by having huge numbers of people involved in it who may not be fully engaged. As a consequence, we are considering having a membership category where people express their support (maybe by making a donation) and gain some benefits (maybe an e-mail address or the right to describe themselves as associated) but don't immediately become part of the governance of the Foundation. Has the Steering Committee considered creating a similar scheme to permit association without complicating the official governance? Not yet, because the membership and the process itself is quiet young. But reading the reactions I get yesterday and tonight to the rejected applications, I was indeed thinking that some people will get frustrated to have no way to be recognized as supporters, and we will miss them in our organization for sure. So we may think to the kind of category you're speaking about, gathering in all those who are advocating, giving ideas, small support, ect. I don't know yet how to give them feedback however. Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] My application was rejected, ;-(
Hi Simon, Simon Phipps wrote on 2011-05-04 13.35: As we've been considering the revision of the governance over at OSI, it's been clear we need to offer a membership option to the many people who associate themselves with Open Source without complicating OSI's official governance by having huge numbers of people involved in it who may not be fully engaged. As a consequence, we are considering having a membership category where people express their support (maybe by making a donation) and gain some benefits (maybe an e-mail address or the right to describe themselves as associated) but don't immediately become part of the governance of the Foundation. Has the Steering Committee considered creating a similar scheme to permit association without complicating the official governance? indeed, that's something we are thinking of, but as Sophie said, the whole process itself is quite young, so are these thoughts. We know from lots of private people as well as corporations (that per the current bylaws cannot become member as legal entity, but with individuals) that they would like to express their support, e.g. with a banner/logo on their website, e-mail forwarder and the like, showing that they are in support for TDF. Something in between I like TDF and I am a (per statutes) member of TDF, an affiliation that is stronger than just expressing support, but less than having official and formal rights. Such a programm that could be called supporters instead of members, or maybe fellows or something like that, is good, as it shows broad support of our ideas and helps spreading the word. I guess something like that doesn't need to be stated in the bylaws, but we should indeed work on this. Any feedback is welcome, of course ;) Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] My application was rejected, ;-(
On 5/4/11 2:00 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Such a programm that could be called supporters instead of members, or maybe fellows or something like that, is good, as it shows broad support of our ideas and helps spreading the word. I think that we should definitely have something in place soon, and I personally like the term fellow which is already used frequently in the technology environment. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no
Thanks Mike for the tip As I see, this character U+2204, does not exist in Opensymbol font, used by Math by default. At least not in the displayed characters of Math UI. So, if this symbol get implemented in Opensymbol, it will be trivial to make it show in the Element window Olivier Em 04-05-2011 07:13, Mike Hall escreveu: ...should have added ∄On 04/05/2011 11:12, Mike Hall wrote:Unicode Character 'THERE DOES NOT EXIST' (U+2204) == see...www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2204/index.htm... easily found with a Google searchMikeOn 04/05/2011 11:07, Olivier Hallot wrote:HiThanks for the time to answer.The symbol is not in the wikipage indicated.It's an ∃ overlapped with /, or barred ∃, the negation of exist (∃).I wonder if this symbol can be added to Math, and if there is a code (unicode) for it.RegardsOlivierEm 04-05-2011 02:07, Steve Edmonds escreveu:On 2011-05-04 16:47, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote:Le 03/05/2011 21:26, Olivier Hallot a écrit :HiDoes anybody knows if in LO Math there si a way to represent themathematical symbol for There is no, which is a barred flipped E?Is it difficult to add it to the Elements windows? If a bug is alreadyopen, and one of you knows it, can I get the number to track it?Thanks in advance.Hi Olivier,Is a notin b the answer you asked for ?Best regardsJBFIs it ∃! or ∉Seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mathematical_symbolsin caseunicode above is not transmitted by the list server and please advise ifthe symbol is there.steve-- Mike Hallwww.onepoyle.net-- Mike Hallwww.onepoyle.net -- Olivier Hallot Founder, Steering Commitee Member - The Document Foundation Voicing the enterprise needs LibreOffice translation leader for Brazilian Portuguese +55-21-8822-8812 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] My application was rejected, ;-(
Hi, Le Wed, 04 May 2011 15:20:10 +0200, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org a écrit : Hi Italo, Italo Vignoli wrote on 2011-05-04 14.21: I think that we should definitely have something in place soon, and I personally like the term fellow which is already used frequently in the technology environment. the FSFE uses it a lot, and to me, it has a positive connotation. Independent from the term we use, a program as Simon, you and others have proposed is a good way to go, yep! Several board members of the German association also said something like that is very interesting for business and enterprises -- many of them work with enterprises daily. I like the term supporters. Definitely something to implement in some time. best, Charles. Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no
2011/5/4 Olivier Hallot olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org Thanks Mike for the tip As I see, this character U+2204, does not exist in Opensymbol font, used by Math by default. At least not in the displayed characters of Math UI. So, if this symbol get implemented in Opensymbol, it will be trivial to make it show in the Element window Olivier Olivier, in Linux operating systems such as, e g, Ubuntu, symbols like the ∄ symbol can easily be inserted in a LibreOffice document by holding the Ctrl and Shift keys and pressing u (Ctrl+Shift+u) and then typing the hexdecimal code (in this case) 2204 and pressing the space bar. But I agree, this type of logic symbol should certainly be included in the list of special characters in LibreOffice Math Henri -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] Membership application numbers
Hi all, Some information on the Membership applications treated until now : - Applications approved: 77 - Applications rejected: 39 - Applications differed: 18 - Applications pending : 2 Don't hesitate to send your application, we are very happy to receive all of them. If yours is rejected, most of the time it's because we don't get enough information. We need to modify the form to make it more concise, but don't be shy when you fill it too :) Kind regards Sophie -- Founding member of The Document Foundation -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no
Em 04-05-2011 13:11, M Henri Day escreveu: 2011/5/4 Olivier Hallotolivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org Thanks Mike for the tip As I see, this character U+2204, does not exist in Opensymbol font, used by Math by default. At least not in the displayed characters of Math UI. So, if this symbol get implemented in Opensymbol, it will be trivial to make it show in the Element window Olivier Olivier, in Linux operating systems such as, e g, Ubuntu, symbols like the ∄ symbol can easily be inserted in a LibreOffice document by holding the Ctrl and Shift keys and pressing u (Ctrl+Shift+u) and then typing the hexdecimal code (in this case) 2204 and pressing the space bar. But I agree, this type of logic symbol should certainly be included in the list of special characters in LibreOffice Math Henri Hi Yes, in a Mandriva system as well, although I run out of fingers to type such key combination!! Does not work in Windows... -- Olivier Hallot Founder, Steering Commitee Member - The Document Foundation Voicing the enterprise needs LibreOffice translation leader for Brazilian Portuguese +55-21-8822-8812 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums - A Different Question
On 05/04/2011 12:46 PM, Augustine Souza wrote: Resources? Stop with the dehumanizing. They are human beings @ user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum and totally helpful. Don't be silly. Of course I meant the forums themselves when I said resources, not the people on them. Hence my also referring to the hypothetical forums that LibreOffice doesn't provide as resources. -- Isaac Hummel is...@daedaleus.com http://daedaleus.isaachummel.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no
Olivier Hallot wrote: Em 04-05-2011 13:11, M Henri Day escreveu: 2011/5/4 Olivier Hallotolivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org Thanks Mike for the tip As I see, this character U+2204, does not exist in Opensymbol font, used by Math by default. At least not in the displayed characters of Math UI. So, if this symbol get implemented in Opensymbol, it will be trivial to make it show in the Element window Olivier Olivier, in Linux operating systems such as, e g, Ubuntu, symbols like the ∄ symbol can easily be inserted in a LibreOffice document by holding the Ctrl and Shift keys and pressing u (Ctrl+Shift+u) and then typing the hexdecimal code (in this case) 2204 and pressing the space bar. But I agree, this type of logic symbol should certainly be included in the list of special characters in LibreOffice Math Henri Hi Yes, in a Mandriva system as well, although I run out of fingers to type such key combination!! Does not work in Windows... Since the majority of computer users have the Windows OS, it sounds like we need to specifically add this character to the set of Math characters. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Membership application numbers
Hi Sophie, *, Am Mittwoch, 4. Mai 2011, 18:29:45 schrieb Sophie Gautier: Hi all, Some information on the Membership applications treated until now : - Applications approved: 77 it would be nice to have them on the TDF-website or inside the wiki. What do you think? Regards, Andreas -- ## Developer LibreOffice ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows ## http://LibreOffice.org ## Support the Document Foundation (http://documentfoundation.org) ## Meine Seite: http://www.amantke.de -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] My application was rejected, ;-(
Hi Simos, On 04/05/2011 20:38, Simos Xenitellis wrote: On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, Le Wed, 04 May 2011 15:20:10 +0200, Florian Effenbergerflo...@documentfoundation.org a écrit : Hi Italo, Italo Vignoli wrote on 2011-05-04 14.21: I think that we should definitely have something in place soon, and I personally like the term fellow which is already used frequently in the technology environment. the FSFE uses it a lot, and to me, it has a positive connotation. Independent from the term we use, a program as Simon, you and others have proposed is a good way to go, yep! Several board members of the German association also said something like that is very interesting for business and enterprises -- many of them work with enterprises daily. I like the term supporters. Definitely something to implement in some time. GNOME has the Friends of GNOME program, http://www-old.gnome.org/friends/ with several levels of contribution, including the adoption of hackers. This last case for me, would mean to be a member, adopting a hacker deserve a lot of respect :p Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no
On 5/05/11 4:11 AM, M Henri Day wrote: 2011/5/4 Olivier Hallotolivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org Thanks Mike for the tip As I see, this character U+2204, does not exist in Opensymbol font, used by Math by default. At least not in the displayed characters of Math UI. So, if this symbol get implemented in Opensymbol, it will be trivial to make it show in the Element window Olivier Olivier, in Linux operating systems such as, e g, Ubuntu, symbols like the ∄ symbol can easily be inserted in a LibreOffice document by holding the Ctrl and Shift keys and pressing u (Ctrl+Shift+u) and then typing the hexdecimal code (in this case) 2204 and pressing the space bar. But I agree, this type of logic symbol should certainly be included in the list of special characters in LibreOffice Math Henri Can't Ctl+Shift+u on my mac but can paste the character ∄ into math. steve -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no
Hi Olivier, *, On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Olivier Hallot olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Em 04-05-2011 13:11, M Henri Day escreveu: 2011/5/4 Olivier Hallotolivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org So, if this symbol get implemented in Opensymbol, it will be trivial to make it show in the Element window Sure, but it won't be compatibility-foolproof - but in the meantime you can add the symbol manually and use it by keyword. [insert it by character code] Yes, in a Mandriva system as well, although I run out of fingers to type such key combination!! ctrl+shift+u, then release those, type the unicode hexcode, end input with enter - no need to keep ctrl+shit+u pressed all the time. Does not work in Windows... No wonder as it's GTK's input-method feature, not provided by LO/OOo. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Membership application numbers
Hi Andreas, On 04/05/2011 20:28, Andreas Mantke wrote: Hi Sophie, *, Am Mittwoch, 4. Mai 2011, 18:29:45 schrieb Sophie Gautier: Hi all, Some information on the Membership applications treated until now : - Applications approved: 77 it would be nice to have them on the TDF-website or inside the wiki. What do you think? Ah, yes, of course :) That it's in its way to be done, just give us some time. André will shape the page in the next days, and if he doesn't have the time to do it, I will. Let says that by the end of next week it will be done. Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice Math: There is no
Olivier Hallot olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org wrote in message news:4dc180b3.6020...@documentfoundation.org... Em 04-05-2011 13:11, M Henri Day escreveu: 2011/5/4 Olivier Hallotolivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org Thanks Mike for the tip As I see, this character U+2204, does not exist in Opensymbol font, used by Math by default. At least not in the displayed characters of Math UI. So, if this symbol get implemented in Opensymbol, it will be trivial to make it show in the Element window Olivier Olivier, in Linux operating systems such as, e g, Ubuntu, symbols like the ∄ symbol can easily be inserted in a LibreOffice document by holding the Ctrl and Shift keys and pressing u (Ctrl+Shift+u) and then typing the hexdecimal code (in this case) 2204 and pressing the space bar. But I agree, this type of logic symbol should certainly be included in the list of special characters in LibreOffice Math Henri Hi Yes, in a Mandriva system as well, although I run out of fingers to type such key combination!! Does not work in Windows... See http://www.fileformat.info/tip/microsoft/enter_unicode.htm for ways of entering Unicode characters in Windows. Method 1 works for me in Math and also works in Writer provided I first choose the OpenSymbol font. Harold Fuchs London -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no
2011/5/4 Robert Derman robert.der...@pressenter.com Olivier Hallot wrote: Em 04-05-2011 13:11, M Henri Day escreveu: 2011/5/4 Olivier Hallotolivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org Thanks Mike for the tip As I see, this character U+2204, does not exist in Opensymbol font, used by Math by default. At least not in the displayed characters of Math UI. So, if this symbol get implemented in Opensymbol, it will be trivial to make it show in the Element window Olivier Olivier, in Linux operating systems such as, e g, Ubuntu, symbols like the ∄ symbol can easily be inserted in a LibreOffice document by holding the Ctrl and Shift keys and pressing u (Ctrl+Shift+u) and then typing the hexdecimal code (in this case) 2204 and pressing the space bar. But I agree, this type of logic symbol should certainly be included in the list of special characters in LibreOffice Math Henri Hi Yes, in a Mandriva system as well, although I run out of fingers to type such key combination!! Does not work in Windows... Since the majority of computer users have the Windows OS, it sounds like we need to specifically add this character to the set of Math characters. As I noted above, I quite agree that these logical symbols should be added to the list of special characters in LibreOffice Math. However, until they are, there exists a workaround for Windows users, which even works with Windows 7 (checked on 64-bit Win7 Pro) ; namely, to install UnicodeInput ( http://www.fileformat.info/tool/unicodeinput/index.htm). Note, however, that (for me at least), it is not the hex code, but rather the decimal code that must be used to import the glyph ; thus entering «2204» (without the quotation marks) in the tool gives me the desired ∄, whereas entering «089c»gives me a glyph I cannot read ࢜ with the fonts I have installed on Win7 Henri -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 8:19 PM, M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/5/4 Robert Derman robert.der...@pressenter.com [...] (for me at least), it is not the hex code, but rather the decimal code that must be used to import the glyph ; thus entering «2204» (without the quotation marks) in the tool gives me the desired ∄, whereas entering «089c»gives me a glyph I cannot read ࢜ with the fonts I have installed on Nope - that's double conversion you're doing here.. 2204 is already hex value. that in decimal would be 8708 While probably not so useful for this case, you can also modify windows keyboard layouts to have access to more key-combinations. http://microsoft.com/globaldev/tools/msklc.mspx ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no
2011/5/4 Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 8:19 PM, M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/5/4 Robert Derman robert.der...@pressenter.com [...] (for me at least), it is not the hex code, but rather the decimal code that must be used to import the glyph ; thus entering «2204» (without the quotation marks) in the tool gives me the desired ∄, whereas entering «089c»gives me a glyph I cannot read ࢜ with the fonts I have installed on Nope - that's double conversion you're doing here.. 2204 is already hex value. that in decimal would be 8708 While probably not so useful for this case, you can also modify windows keyboard layouts to have access to more key-combinations. http://microsoft.com/globaldev/tools/msklc.mspx ciao Christian I'm not quite sure I follow you here, Christian ; 089c is the hexadecimal representation of the number represented by the decimal 2204 ((12x16⁰ + (9x16¹) + (8x16²)), so I don't understand where the «double conversion» comes in. As I understand it, 2204 is the decimal and 089c the hexadecimal code for the glyph «∄», and the first page of Table de caractères Unicode ( http://unicode.coeurlumiere.com/) would seem to back me up. But perhaps this is a misunderstanding on my part, and if so, I should be grateful if you would disabuse me Henri -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no
OH == Olivier Hallot olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org writes: OH The symbol is not in the wikipage indicated. OH It's an ∃ overlapped with /, or barred ∃, the negation of exist (∃). That character is in the UCS and Unicode as: U+2204 THERE DOES NOT EXIST ∄ The whole 2200..22F1 block dates from unicode 1.1, so any font which supports U+2203 THERE EXISTS ∃ should also support ∄. You might need to use the code point to enter that character in libreoffice. -JimC -- James Cloos cl...@jhcloos.com OpenPGP: 1024D/ED7DAEA6 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no
2011/5/4 Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:06 PM, M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/5/4 Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com [...] I'm not quite sure I follow you here, Christian ; 089c is the hexadecimal representation of the number represented by the decimal 2204 Yes, but the 2204 is not a decimal number. 2204 is already a hexadecimal representation. [...] so I don't understand where the «double conversion» comes in. Your converting a number to hexadecimal that is already hexadecimal. It is not two thousand two hundred and four, but 2*16³+2*16²+4 = 8708 As I understand it, 2204 is the decimal and 089c the hexadecimal code for the glyph «∄», No. 2204 is the hexadecimal representation, and 089c is a completely different character (one that is not assigned) and the first page of Table de caractères Unicode ( http://unicode.coeurlumiere.com/) would seem to back me up. No, on the contrary, when you look up 089c there (go to 0890 in the leftmost row, then go to the c = 12th column (starting to count with 0, i.e. the columns with characters are 0890, 0891, … 0899, 089A, 089B, 089C (=2204), 089D, 089E, 089F Nowhere in the table's body, you'll see a hex digit, none of the small numbers above the characters contains an a, b, c, d, e or f, while the outer numbering does - thus those little number cannot be hexadecimal, but those are the decimal ones, they are increased by one left to right, top to bottom. go to http://unicode.coeurlumiere.com/?n=8192 locate the 2200 in the leftmost index column, go to the 4th (again starting with 0) column and you are at our character U+2204, with decimal number 8708. But perhaps this is a misunderstanding on my part, and if so, I should be grateful if you would disabuse me Hope that helps. ciao Christian Thanks, Christian ; I stand corrected Henri -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice Math: There is no
On Wed, 4 May 2011 19:17:45 +0100, Harold Fuchs hwfa.libreoff...@gmail.com wrote: Olivier Hallot olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org wrote in message news:4dc180b3.6020...@documentfoundation.org... Em 04-05-2011 13:11, M Henri Day escreveu: (...) Olivier, in Linux operating systems such as, e g, Ubuntu, symbols like the ∄ symbol can easily be inserted in a LibreOffice document by holding the Ctrl and Shift keys and pressing u (Ctrl+Shift+u) and then typing the hexdecimal code (in this case) 2204 and pressing the space bar. But I agree, this type of logic symbol should certainly be included in the list of special characters in LibreOffice Math Henri Hi Yes, in a Mandriva system as well, although I run out of fingers to type such key combination!! Does not work in Windows... See http://www.fileformat.info/tip/microsoft/enter_unicode.htm for ways of entering Unicode characters in Windows. Method 1 works for me in Math and also works in Writer provided I first choose the OpenSymbol font. I have used method 4 (Alt+x in MS Word) in the past and would really appreciate it if this feature were added to LibreOffice Writer. Best regards, Christophe Harold Fuchs London -- Christophe Strobbe K.U.Leuven - Dept. of Electrical Engineering - SCD Research Group on Document Architectures Kasteelpark Arenberg 10 bus 2442 B-3001 Leuven-Heverlee BELGIUM tel: +32 16 32 85 51 www.docarch.be Twitter: @RabelaisA11y -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
