[steering-discuss] Reminder: SC call today

2011-05-22 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hello,

just to avoid confusion based on my yesterday's posting: The next SC 
call will start in one hour and 15 minutes, at 1300 UTC = 1500 German 
time. See your time zone at http://www.doodle.com/9ffn85imeskgn82q


I still don't know if I can make it, but everyone can edit the public 
agenda at 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Agenda


Florian

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[steering-discuss] Membership application completeness

2011-05-22 Thread Sophie Gautier

Hi all,

Just a short note: please don't forget to add information about contact 
on your application. The requested contacts are two or more (but only 
one is mandatory) persons that can give more information about your 
contributions, that will help us a lot.


Also, don't hesitate to be verbose, we will reject your application if 
it's not complete, you will have to fill it again with all the necessary 
information.

And I don't like to reject applications :)
Thanks in advance
Kind regards
Sophie

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Re: [tdf-discuss] [Call for help] Native English speaker needed for proofreading a LibO tool draft proposal

2011-05-22 Thread Gianluca Turconi

Hola Richard,

In data 22 maggio 2011 alle ore 04:49:20, Richard richard.h...@gmail.com  
ha scritto:



Hola Gianluca,
I made some minor edits and proofread the atricle.
Richard.


Yesterday, I forgot saying It's nice to see you here too. :-)

Thanks a lot for your revision.

BTW, what do you think about the proposal?

Regards,

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Re: [tdf-discuss] [Call for help] Native English speaker needed for proofreading a LibO tool draft proposal

2011-05-22 Thread Richard
Hello again,

On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Gianluca Turconi 
pub...@letturefantastiche.com wrote:

 Hola Richard,

 In data 22 maggio 2011 alle ore 04:49:20, Richard richard.h...@gmail.com
 ha scritto:


  Hola Gianluca,
 I made some minor edits and proofread the atricle.
 Richard.


 Yesterday, I forgot saying It's nice to see you here too. :-)


Yes, nice to see you back again.


 Thanks a lot for your revision.

 BTW, what do you think about the proposal?


It is ambitious. If it develops as outlined, it should help to avoid
duplication of effort.
Give it time. And let it grow.

regards,
Richard.



 Regards,


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[tdf-discuss] Re: Any wikipedia members/contributors here?

2011-05-22 Thread NoOp
On 05/21/2011 11:04 AM, Robert Derman wrote:
 NoOp wrote:
 On 05/19/2011 05:18 PM, NoOp wrote:
   
 If you are a wikipedia member/contributor, perhaps you can have a look at:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_OpenDocument_software

 No mention of LibreOffice.
 Appearantly that is no longer the case.  It is promanently mentioned as 
 of now 5/21/11.
 

That's why I added the part that you snipped:
 Thanks Dubyus:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_OpenDocument_softwareaction=history
That page shows where 'Dubyus' went in and added it on the 20th...



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Re: [tdf-discuss] TDF fundraising suggestion - Bitcoin

2011-05-22 Thread Denis Kasak
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 03:34, Ben McGinnes b...@adversary.org wrote:
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 Hash: SHA512

 Hello,
        At Florian's recommendation I am posting this to the list for
 discussion.

 The fund raising effort by The Document Foundation recently has been
 quite remarkable and no doubt it will continue in this vein.  My
 little suggestion is intended to change or remove nothing from the
 current state of affairs, merely to add an option to the usual array
 of financial options of credit cards, PayPal, cheques and bank
 transfers.  The suggestion is, as the subject line indicates, that TDF
 consider adding a Bitcoin address for accepting donations.

snip

 So ... thoughts, opinions?


 Regards,
 Ben

For what it's worth (as I have been a lurker on the list so far :-P),
I think this is a good idea. As you mention, the costs of
implementation are very low and it could definitely improve TDF's
revenue since there are many people who are interested in Bitcoin
succeeding and would consider donating just because of that. The large
overlap of that mindset with the FOSS one coupled with the ease of
making a transaction are also a large plus.

Hopefully this post will bump the thread a bit so someone with real
voting power can chime in! :-)

Regards,

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[tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-design] Templates, styles, outline and bullets/numbering

2011-05-22 Thread Steve Edmonds



On 30/04/11 4:18 AM, RGB ES wrote:

2011/4/29 Greggreg.lu...@gmail.com:

2011/4/28 Greggreg.lu...@gmail.com:

Hi,

I believe Writer's template, style, outline and numbering facilities are
in need of a rethink. The areas I think are weak, and this is by no
means a full list, are:
- The template organiser dialogue - who knows how to use it and what it's
really for?
- Style management - setting defaults, selecting style-sheets with some
idea of the stylistic/visual impact, changing styles
- Style usage - must become solid, robust and consistent. The
impossibility of getting working single type or mixed type (numbered or
bulletted) outline lists must be solved! At the moment, there seem to be
three or four ways to control list hierarchies and only some (or one)
  of them work. They are using the tab key, using the increase/decrease
indent button, using the list or numbering styles or using the bullets
and numbering's outline view. They each break the others in an
unpredictable way!

I think the user stories that press on the issues are something like:

1/ As a document writer, I want to ensure my document is easy to read
because all the paragraphs, headers and lists are consistent in their
style and outline level, according to their position in the document
hierarchy.

You can probably tell from this that I think we should strive to make
styles and outline levels so easy to use (while not diminishing their
full capabilities) that users predominantly use styles and not the
ad-hoc editing methods that render most docs inconsistent and difficult
to read.

2/ As a document writer, I want to be able to very easily select a
style-sheet to change the look of my document, so I have a good idea of
how the new style- sheet will look before I select it and I should not
have to do much custom editing to get a style I like.

3/As a style-sheet writer or modifier, I want to see a style-sheet view
of the world, that shows the hierarchy of styles and their setting
inheritance and overrides, so that I can easily build and maintain a
simple and logical style- sheet

e.g. style settings inheritance and override hierarchy (This indented
text illustrates the hierarchy, not a design ;o)

-- Default (All settings, including outline levels)
--Paragraph text (overridden or new settings)
--Heading (overridden or new settings)
--Heading1 (overridden or new settings)
--Heading2 (overridden or new settings)
--Heading3 (overridden or new settings)
--Header (overridden or new settings)
--FirstPageHeader (overridden or new settings)
--LeftHeader (overridden or new settings)
--RightHeader (overridden or new settings)
--Footer (overridden or new settings)
--FirstPageFooter (overridden or new settings)
--LeftFooter (overridden or new settings)
--RightFooter (overridden or new settings)
--List (overridden or new settings)
--BulletList1 (overridden or new settings)
--NumberList1 (overridden or new settings)
--BulletList2 (overridden or new settings)
--NumberList2 (overridden or new settings)
--BulletList3 (overridden or new settings)
--NumberList3 (overridden or new settings)

4/As a style-sheet writer or modifier, I want to lock a style-sheet to a
document template, so that only that style-sheet can be used, so the
documents produced are consistent.

(personally, I'd like to see a way to lock out custom edits for selected
doc templates too, for complete document consistency and compatibility -
this is especially powerful for collaboratively authored docs)

Aside from the implicated UI redesign, I think an extensive and
professional set of style-sheets would greatly help matters.

Any thoughts?

Cheers,

Greg

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At first I though that when you said style sheets you were talking
about templates... but you also use the word template. What do you
refer as style sheet?

I've never had problems with numbered lists (I mean, once I understood
how they work...), but I agree that they are not clear at all.
Most users I've seen tend to confuse numbered lists with outline
numbering, so a better distinction is needed.

Then you can't have pushed them much. As I said before At the moment, there
seem to be three or four ways to control list hierarchies and only some (or
one) of them work. They are using the tab key, using the increase/decrease
indent