[tdf-discuss] Re: [steering-discuss] Hello! ... and lurking :-)

2011-06-03 Thread sophie
Hi Greg, On 04/06/2011 03:15, Greg Stein wrote: Hi all, I imagine you've all heard about the proposal[1] to contribute OO.o to the Apache Software Foundation. I've been involved with Apache for well over a decade, on its Board of Directors since 2001, its current Vice Chairman, the VP of Apache

Re: [tdf-discuss] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-03 Thread Olav Dahlum
On 04/06/11 06:21, Greg Stein wrote: > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 22:06, Allen Pulsifer wrote: >> ... >> Some of you may have noticed that Greg Stein, a member of the Apache >> Software Foundation Board of Directors has joined this list and offered to >> answer any questions. Please feel free to ask

Re: [tdf-discuss] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-03 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 22:06, Allen Pulsifer wrote: >... > Some of you may have noticed that Greg Stein, a member of the Apache > Software Foundation Board of Directors has joined this list and offered to > answer any questions.  Please feel free to ask him about anything that is on > your mind.  

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation'sIncubator

2011-06-03 Thread Mike Dupont
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:00 AM, plino wrote: > It seems that the logic here is: code for OpenOffice and you are contributing > to both projects, code for LibreOffice and you only contribute to one :) > > http://www.robweir.com/blog/2011/06/apache-openoffice-how-to-get-involved.html I would say,

[tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Hello! ... and lurking :-)

2011-06-03 Thread Greg Stein
[trimming to just discuss@, as my understanding is that is the proper venue for this topic] On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 21:47, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Greg Stein wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> If you have any comments, questions, or concerns, then please feel >> free to dir

[tdf-discuss] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-03 Thread Allen Pulsifer
Greetings All, Some of you will remember me as a long time member of the OpenOffice.org community. In fact, back in the day, it was sometimes just myself and Michael Meeks who were openly complaining on the OOo mailing list about Sun's handling of the "community" :-) I'm writing today about what

Re: [tdf-discuss] Hello! ... and lurking :-)

2011-06-03 Thread Greg Stein
Hey Bernhard, See my responses inline below: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 21:09, Bernhard Dippold wrote: >... > I think this list here is the best for discussions about the community, > steering-discuss for contacting the Steering Committee members and > libO@freedesktop for developers. Gotcha. Those

Re: [tdf-discuss] Hello! ... and lurking :-)

2011-06-03 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Greg, all, thank you very much for coming here! Your efforts in working on a community united and collaborating as much as possible are really appreciated! Greg Stein schrieb: Hi all, I imagine you've all heard about the proposal[1] to contribute OO.o to the Apache Software Foundation. I

[tdf-discuss] Hello! ... and lurking :-)

2011-06-03 Thread Greg Stein
Hi all, I imagine you've all heard about the proposal[1] to contribute OO.o to the Apache Software Foundation. I've been involved with Apache for well over a decade, on its Board of Directors since 2001, its current Vice Chairman, the VP of Apache Subversion, and was the Chairman for five years. I

[tdf-discuss] Include country in the list of members

2011-06-03 Thread Eduardo Alexandre
Hi! I would suggest that the list of members is placed on each of the country. If this isn´t the most appropriate list, please let me know. Thanks Eduardo Alexandre LibreOffice Brazil -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelin

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation'sIncubator

2011-06-03 Thread Carl Symons
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 3:25 AM, Augustine Souza wrote: > On 6/3/11, Harold Fuchs wrote: > ... >> The LO folk left the OOo group because OOo was, in their opinion, going to >> be over-controlled (by Oracle). Now that this is no longer true, the LO folk >> don't have a case and should return to the

[tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation'sIncubator

2011-06-03 Thread plino
It seems that the logic here is: code for OpenOffice and you are contributing to both projects, code for LibreOffice and you only contribute to one :) http://www.robweir.com/blog/2011/06/apache-openoffice-how-to-get-involved.html -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.

[steering-discuss] Re: OpenOffice and the ASF

2011-06-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Hello, Hi Florian > I hope you don't mind if I jump in to the discussion. The views shared here > are not any official TDF statement, but rather solely my own ones, acting as > a volunteer who has been contributing to the OpenOffice.o

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation'sIncubator

2011-06-03 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Ian, Ian Lynch wrote (03-06-11 15:47) I just signed up as a committer on the Apache incubator this morning. Why? Am I against LO and TDF - no, at heart I'm a copyleft person, however, there are also practical realities to consider too sometimes. What is the worst case? OOo code and trademark

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation'sIncubator

2011-06-03 Thread Mike Dupont
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote: > don't have a case and should return to the fold. So, why don't the LO folk > do a deal with Apache, combine the best bits of OOo with LO to get back to a > single "product" and form jointly with the Apache folk an "LO Foundation". > It seems c

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation's Incubator

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
On 3 Jun 2011, at 19:59, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > On 01/06/2011 Robert Holtzman wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 09:51:09AM -0700, NoOp wrote: >>> >> >> TDF's s

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation's Incubator

2011-06-03 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 01/06/2011 Robert Holtzman wrote: > On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 09:51:09AM -0700, NoOp wrote: > > > > TDF's statement included : > > "Today we welcome Oracle’s don

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to ApacheSoftwareFoundation'sIncubator

2011-06-03 Thread Pieter E. Zanstra
> -Original Message- > From: sophie [mailto:gautier.sop...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 7:33 PM > To: discuss@documentfoundation.org > Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to > ApacheSoftwareFoundation'sIncubator > > Now to your bug Pieter, you're sad be

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache SoftwareFoundation'sIncubator

2011-06-03 Thread sophie
Hi all, Pieter, On 03/06/2011 14:54, Pieter E. Zanstra wrote: -Original Message- From: Xing Li [mailto:x...@fictionpress.com] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 11:48 AM To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache SoftwareFoundation'sIn

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache SoftwareFoundation'sIncubator

2011-06-03 Thread Pieter E. Zanstra
> -Original Message- > From: Xing Li [mailto:x...@fictionpress.com] > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 11:48 AM > To: discuss@documentfoundation.org > Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to > Apache SoftwareFoundation'sIncubator > > Competition breads competence. > > L

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation'sIncubator

2011-06-03 Thread Varun Mittal
Delivering sermons to LibreOffice after being humbled by the same community which you and some corporates didn't even bothered to even hear out, I am sure you know that OOo has not been accepted as an Apache project yet. So stop lecturing what we should do , anywayz you guys won't even know when th

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation'sIncubator

2011-06-03 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi Augustine, *, Augustine Souza schrieb: >On 6/3/11, Harold Fuchs wrote: >... [.. nonsense ..] >Nonsense. [.. nonsense ..] >More nonsense. Thanks :o)) SCNR Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Libreoffice-Box http://libreofficebox.org/ LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images -- Unsubscribe instr

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation'sIncubator

2011-06-03 Thread Ian Lynch
I just signed up as a committer on the Apache incubator this morning. Why? Am I against LO and TDF - no, at heart I'm a copyleft person, however, there are also practical realities to consider too sometimes. What is the worst case? OOo code and trademark go with Apache and then little is done. LO

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation'sIncubator

2011-06-03 Thread e-letter
>To: discuss@documentfoundation.org >From: "Harold Fuchs" >Subject: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software > Foundation'sIncubator >Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 10:30:55 +0100 >Lines: 44 >Message-ID: >References: ><4de877cb.4010...@nouenoff.nl> > <1307086982610-301

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation'sIncubator

2011-06-03 Thread Augustine Souza
On 6/3/11, Harold Fuchs wrote: ... > The LO folk left the OOo group because OOo was, in their opinion, going to > be over-controlled (by Oracle). Now that this is no longer true, the LO folk > don't have a case and should return to the fold. ... Nonsense. > > Oh, and by the way, get rid of the a

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation'sIncubator

2011-06-03 Thread Xing Li
Competition breads competence. Let there be two groups, two paths, two products. In fact, I hope that the groups co-exist but go on completely separate management styles and feature direction. The fact that it might potentially lead to two in-compatible code-bases or at the very least, not a ver

[tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation'sIncubator

2011-06-03 Thread Harold Fuchs
"plino" wrote in message news:1307086982610-3018856.p...@n3.nabble.com... As a user I wouldn't be happy IF the devs split up between two projects. The way I see it is IBM and maybe some Oracle devs will work on OOo and everybody else will work on LO... The good part (besides the Apache licen

[tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation's Incubator

2011-06-03 Thread plino
As a user I wouldn't be happy IF the devs split up between two projects. The way I see it is IBM and maybe some Oracle devs will work on OOo and everybody else will work on LO... The good part (besides the Apache license which allows LO to use what little code will be openly contributed to OOo)