Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting
Hi David, David Nelson wrote on 2011-07-28 15:09: *Some* being the operative word... I never heard about this... Was it publicized at all on the website mailing list and I missed it? no, it was in first place a board decision of the German association, so it was published in their meeting minutes (in German). However, since it affects TDF, I wanted to raise the topic here. In any case, if you do another one, could you maybe give me a heads-up? It would have been interesting to meet other people administering infrastructure for TDF. This meeting was only an internal one for the existing admins, so we didn't spread the word too far. However, we might make a workshop for interested parties the next time. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:43 AM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi David, David Nelson wrote on 2011-07-28 15:09: *Some* being the operative word... I never heard about this... Was it publicized at all on the website mailing list and I missed it? no, it was in first place a board decision of the German association, so it was published in their meeting minutes (in German). However, since it affects TDF, I wanted to raise the topic here. Now you are getting me really confused. Who decided what, and who is paying what ? Norbert -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting
Hi, Norbert Thiebaud wrote on 2011-07-29 17:35: Now you are getting me really confused. Who decided what, and who is paying what ? the board of directors of the German association, which will stay an independent entity also after TDF has been funded, but in the meantime is the legal entity behind TDF, decided that in their board of director's meeting. So, a decision by the German association, *not* by the TDF SC. However, since more money then offered by the German association is needed, and the weekend was for the TDF admins, I'd like to ask if the SC is agreeing to spending some of the TDF money for it. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, Norbert Thiebaud wrote on 2011-07-29 17:35: Now you are getting me really confused. Who decided what, and who is paying what ? the board of directors of the German association, which will stay an independent entity also after TDF has been funded, but in the meantime is the legal entity behind TDF, decided that in their board of director's meeting. So, a decision by the German association, *not* by the TDF SC. However, since more money then offered by the German association is needed, and the weekend was for the TDF admins, I'd like to ask if the SC is agreeing to spending some of the TDF money for it. Ahh, so you're asking TDF to cover the 600 euro budget overrun. Now I get it :-) Thanks for the clarification Norbert -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting
Hi, Drew Jensen wrote on 2011-07-29 18:03: OK - that sounds as if the decision by the FrODev BOD was to expend the 1,000 euro from the FrODev account, not the the TDF account, yes? that's how I understood it. However, since the weekend was solely TDF-related, and the association doesn't get any donations right now, but TDF gets, I would even propose to take the money from the TDF account, which I find just fair. Actual costs exceeded projection by 60%. Positively said, many more people volunteered to work as admins, which is a good sign, so 60% cost exceeding shouldn't be a concern. Many other foundations I know have paid fulltime admins, so we can consider ourselves very happy that just travel funding is needed. :-) Is the SC agreeing then to pay the entire 1,600 euro from the TDF fund now, or just the 600 excess? I would indeed propose the former one, to be honest. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting
Hi, Norbert Thiebaud wrote on 2011-07-29 18:06: Ahh, so you're asking TDF to cover the 600 euro budget overrun. Now I get it:-) Thanks for the clarification actually, I would like to ask to cover everything from the TDF account, as this would be fair. Of course, if the German association wants to spend the 1,600 € from their account, then only the 600 € are needed, but from my gut feeling, paying everything from the TDF account would make more sense to me. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting
Hi :) So the work was done for TDF but the decision to do the work was taken by one of the communities. I thought the event was a different one. One that had been discussed in here. I remember people using the mailing list to meet up for further discussion at the end of one of the days but i guess that was a different event? Since TDF does have plenty of money to cover the short-fall i think it should. We don't want to discourage people from doing work that benefits TDF! I do agree with David's earlier post that it would be good for the SC and BoD know about events in advance. If the SC or BoD had been asked in advance then i'm fairly sure they would have agreed to pay about half if the other half was being paid by a community group. The problem is that the decision should have been put to the SC/BoD in advance. I think agree to it this time but avoid it in the future? Regards from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Fri, 29 July, 2011 16:46:03 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting Hi, Norbert Thiebaud wrote on 2011-07-29 17:35: Now you are getting me really confused. Who decided what, and who is paying what ? the board of directors of the German association, which will stay an independent entity also after TDF has been funded, but in the meantime is the legal entity behind TDF, decided that in their board of director's meeting. So, a decision by the German association, *not* by the TDF SC. However, since more money then offered by the German association is needed, and the weekend was for the TDF admins, I'd like to ask if the SC is agreeing to spending some of the TDF money for it. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Fuzzy pictures on PDF export
I originally created my document using OpenOffice. During the riff raff IP wars, I converted to LibreOffice. My document is in ODT format and looks good with a little tweaking (and learning curve built-in). I also created all of my pictures (inserted into the document) in OpenOffice as XCF initially .. and inserted them into the doc as JPG. When using OpenOffice and following this procedures, my PDF export showed all text and pictures with crystal clarity. However, upon converting to LibreOffice, while my doc looks good as ODT, when I export ... all the text is crisp while the pictures are fuzzy comparatively. I suspect this is a user issue. I just don't know which use issue it is. Please advise/help. PS For grins, I've cut and pasted XCF into the ODT and exported to PDF with same result. Similarly, I converted XCF to GIF and JPG with same result. It is apparent I'm clueless. Cheers. Matthew -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Fuzzy-pictures-on-PDF-export-tp3208779p3208779.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Fuzzy pictures on PDF export
On 29/07/11 16:09, matthewdedwards wrote: I originally created my document using OpenOffice. During the riff raff IP wars, I converted to LibreOffice. My document is in ODT format and looks good with a little tweaking (and learning curve built-in). I also created all of my pictures (inserted into the document) in OpenOffice as XCF initially .. and inserted them into the doc as JPG. When using OpenOffice and following this procedures, my PDF export showed all text and pictures with crystal clarity. However, upon converting to LibreOffice, while my doc looks good as ODT, when I export ... all the text is crisp while the pictures are fuzzy comparatively. I suspect this is a user issue. I just don't know which use issue it is. Please advise/help. PS For grins, I've cut and pasted XCF into the ODT and exported to PDF with same result. Similarly, I converted XCF to GIF and JPG with same result. It is apparent I'm clueless. Cheers. Matthew -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Fuzzy-pictures-on-PDF-export-tp3208779p3208779.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. Matthew, Have you played around with the JPEG compression and image resolution in the Export as PDF Options dialog? File Export as PDF... [General] tab I usually do not go below 60% quality for the JPEGs and/or 300 DPI, especially if you are going to print a copy. -- Cheers Simon Simon Cropper Website Administrator http://www.fossworkflowguides.com The fossWorkflow Guides (c) Simon Cropper CC-BY-SA 3.0 Australia http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/au/deed.en -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Fuzzy pictures on PDF export
Matthew, Sometimes, the PDF converter make a picture at 96 dpi off the parts off the doc ( a frame, table or even the complete document) who contains elements who can not been converted to PDF. Transparency is the most likely cause for this . Then your text is in pixels at 96 dpi and looks crispy. Greetz Fernand I originally created my document using OpenOffice. During the riff raff IP wars, I converted to LibreOffice. My document is in ODT format and looks good with a little tweaking (and learning curve built-in). I also created all of my pictures (inserted into the document) in OpenOffice as XCF initially .. and inserted them into the doc as JPG. When using OpenOffice and following this procedures, my PDF export showed all text and pictures with crystal clarity. However, upon converting to LibreOffice, while my doc looks good as ODT, when I export ... all the text is crisp while the pictures are fuzzy comparatively. I suspect this is a user issue. I just don't know which use issue it is. Please advise/help. PS For grins, I've cut and pasted XCF into the ODT and exported to PDF with same result. Similarly, I converted XCF to GIF and JPG with same result. It is apparent I'm clueless. Cheers. Matthew -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Fuzzy-pictures-on-PDF-export-tp3208779p3208779.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Java 7 - not recognised in LO in Windows Vista
On 28/07/2011 21:36, Mike Hall wrote: Noticed by chance that Java 7.0 was released today. It's not in the normal update cycle yet, but you can download it from: www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/java-se-jre-7-download-432155.html It installs and works fine in a number of apps (eg Jedit), but I can't get LO 3.4.1 to recognise it, not even when given what should be the right path (via Tools Options Java Add) Just wondering whether this is something that needs to be looked at before 3.4.2 is released as I expect it will soon become the standard Java release? I added bug 39659. Would be worth someone else checking this one out. -- Mike Hall www.onepoyle.net -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] IAccessible2, IBM, Oracle (was: (...) Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice)
Hi Christophe, Thanks for your mail. On Wed, 2011-07-27 at 10:50 +0200, Christophe Strobbe wrote: CS: I agree that this is not how open source development should be done. My intention was not to defend this but to highlight the importance of IAccessible2. I appreciate its importance. Indeed, if someone wants to continue the missing forward-porting / testing piece that Malte was doing to the IBM CWS (dumped vs. a very old version) - they are most welcome - I'd love to see the patch in LibreOffice. I'm happy to help review / merge it, and/or mentor people to get that work done. Having said that - there is hope that IBM will finally do the right thing, and do this work themselves (indeed they've re-re-committed to do so already for the Apache version), that will make it easier for us to merge it. This highlights the uncertainty problem plaguing this area: it is pointless to invest our rather scarce resources into something that someone else claims they will do soon anyway. So - by saying we'll do it and by then not doing it - the effect is to stop others from doing it. The intention of my original response was to draw attention to IAccessible2, which is a valuable contribution in its own right, even though you clearly expected more from IBM. Sure sure, its valuable. How much work it was we'll see when we see how much code it is. My suspicion is that it is under 10k LOC of bridge code (at least the ~equivalent atk binding is much less than that). But sure, that small piece of code has a very real usefulness and no-one should debate that. CS: If you think it's OK for blind users on Windows to wait another two years [1], Incidentally, everyone not programming on fixing this problem thinks it is ok for people to wait. If they can't program - that is fine - that is how most programmers started out, so lets expand it to include everyone not learning to program. Sadly many people seem to pass the time, while waiting, by griping about the fact that everyone else is just waiting, and no-one is working / learning how to improve the software for them. The unacceptable irony of that appears to escape them strangely. In a world of very many different priorities, it is necessary to choose what to do; and working on something for which a duplication of effort has been promised for years is hard to get excited about I'm afraid. All the best, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Fuzzy pictures on PDF export
HI *, On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Fernand Vanrie s...@pmgroup.be wrote: Sometimes, the PDF converter make a picture at 96 dpi off the parts off the doc ( a frame, table or even the complete document) who contains elements who can not been converted to PDF. Transparency is the most likely cause for this . Then your text is in pixels at 96 dpi and looks crispy. Transparency is only a problem when you use the restricted PDF-A1 format, regular PDF supports transparency. So if the picture quality export setting using regular PDF-export doesn't solve the problem, then file a bug and attach a sample document with the image and a PDF produced by OOo and one by LO for comparison. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting
Hi :) +1 for the full amount this time because TDF can afford it this time. Regards from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: steering-disc...@documentfoundation.org Sent: Fri, 29 July, 2011 17:24:31 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting Hi, Norbert Thiebaud wrote on 2011-07-29 18:06: Ahh, so you're asking TDF to cover the 600 euro budget overrun. Now I get it:-) Thanks for the clarification actually, I would like to ask to cover everything from the TDF account, as this would be fair. Of course, if the German association wants to spend the 1,600 € from their account, then only the 600 € are needed, but from my gut feeling, paying everything from the TDF account would make more sense to me. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, Norbert Thiebaud wrote on 2011-07-29 18:06: Ahh, so you're asking TDF to cover the 600 euro budget overrun. Now I get it:-) Thanks for the clarification actually, I would like to ask to cover everything from the TDF account, as this would be fair. Of course, if the German association wants to spend the 1,600 € from their account, then only the 600 € are needed, but from my gut feeling, paying everything from the TDF account would make more sense to me. I don't disagree that, based on the agenda and participants, it would make more sens, but then why didn't you put the initial budget proposal in front of the TDF SC rather than the 'German Association' board ? (anyway, my quibbling was triggered by the notion that one should translate German minutes of another association to be informed on what is going on at TDF :-) ) Norbert -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] ignore m$ legacy?
On 07/28/2011 04:54 PM, Olivier Hallot wrote: Hi What you say is almost that we should give up on ODF and stick with Microsoft formats... I would prefer that LO import MSO format flawlessly but not export them at all... Olivier 1. What other file formats should be dropped? All other competing products? 2. Should the Windows version of LO also be dropped, or does your dissatisfaction with MS end with MSO? -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
