[board-discuss] Formal invitation to Board of Directors meeting

2012-08-14 Thread Florian Effenberger

Dear colleagues,

per § 9 I of our statutes, [1] the Board of Directors is required to 
have one formal meeting per year, with both the invitation issued and 
the agenda fixed no later than two weeks in advance.


I hereby officially invite the Board of Directors as well as its 
deputies to a formal meeting on


Tuesday, October 16th,
at 1300 UTC (i.e. 1500 local time, UTC+2/CEST)
during the LibreOffice Conference 2012
	at the Konferenzzentrum des Bundesministeriums für Wirtschaft und 
Technologie, entry Tor 2, Scharnhorststraße 35


Please plan in enough time for entering the venue.

In case you cannot personally attend the meeting, per § 9 II you can 
nominate another board member or a deputy to represent you. Please do so 
publically on this mailing list, in time before the meeting. Be advised 
that only one representation is possible per representative.


For proposals of agenda items, please send them to this list, no later 
than two weeks before the meeting.


As per § 9 III of our statutes, at least 1/2 of the board must take part 
in the meeting or be represented in order to have a quorum.


Certain changes to the statutes require the non-represented, personal 
presence of every board member, as per § 15 III, with the need of the 
decision to be taken unanimously.


While the meeting is a private one, decisions and results will be made 
public as soon as possible, given our approach of transparency, taking 
into account § 8 III c 2nd sentence.


Looking forward to meeting you in Berlin,
Florian

[1] http://www.documentfoundation.org/statutes.pdf

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[tdf-discuss] Re: Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-14 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Johnny,

Le 2012-08-13 15:47, Johnny Rosenberg a écrit :


I use Gmail too and it seems like you don't have to cut and paste
anything. Seems to be OK to leave the address in ”CC: and to leave
””To:” empty. That's what I'm doing right now, hope it works…

So I click ”Reply to all” (which requires a click more than just
replying), then I delete everything in ”To:”, write my message and hit
”Send”. Not very quick, though. I want the old behaviour back. There
is no way to idiot proof anyway.


Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ



Does it not says Reply to group on the bottom of the message in GMail?

Cheers,

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[tdf-discuss] Libre Office Zotero Integration [Proposition of a New Partner?]

2012-08-14 Thread Anthony Easthope
Hi Guys



I have a proposition for you all and am not sure if you would class it
as a feature request or a partnership suggestion.

My idea is as follows: The Document Foundation partners up with Roy
Rosenzwieg Center for History and New Media and work together on making
The Zotero project an integral part of the LibreOffice frame work.



I have the feeling that I might be treading on thin ground here but I
will outline my reasons as to why this could work below



  * Libreoffice is perfect for use within university's / schools as it
 can be easily distributed thanks to the GNU license the same goes
 for Zotero
  * The use of Zotero could replace the inbuilt Bibliography 
 referencing tool as the current one is quite bewildering to use for
 many people
  * Zotero has a nice GUI and can work in with Firefox via an extension
 which is also open source so at the same time we are not just
 supporting one open-source initiative but three!
  * Zotero is open to suggestions and it appears to other projects as
 well
  * Increased awareness of The Document Foundation program via Zotero
 related media attention (Vice Versa for LO and Zotero)
  * it would bring a fresh feel to the whole project and could even
 mean a new approach and reinvigorate the project



Let me Know what you think and feel free to shoot me down if you so
wish!



Regards

Anthony Easthope



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Libre Office Zotero Integration [Proposition of a New Partner?]

2012-08-14 Thread Florian Reisinger
Hi Anthony!


__
Florian Reisinger

Von meinem iPad gesendet
Sent via iPad

Am 14.08.2012 um 11:11 schrieb Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com:

 Hi Guys



 I have a proposition for you all and am not sure if you would class it
 as a feature request or a partnership suggestion.

 My idea is as follows: The Document Foundation partners up with Roy
 Rosenzwieg Center for History and New Media and work together on making
 The Zotero project an integral part of the LibreOffice frame work.



 I have the feeling that I might be treading on thin ground here but I
 will outline my reasons as to why this could work below



  * Libreoffice is perfect for use within university's / schools as it
 can be easily distributed thanks to the GNU license the same goes
 for Zotero
  * The use of Zotero could replace the inbuilt Bibliography 
 referencing tool as the current one is quite bewildering to use for
 many people
  * Zotero has a nice GUI and can work in with Firefox via an extension
 which is also open source so at the same time we are not just
 supporting one open-source initiative but three!
  * Zotero is open to suggestions and it appears to other projects as
 well
  * Increased awareness of The Document Foundation program via Zotero
 related media attention (Vice Versa for LO and Zotero)
  * it would bring a fresh feel to the whole project and could even
 mean a new approach and reinvigorate the project



 Let me Know what you think and feel free to shoot me down if you so
 wish!


With this very idea wie could Hit 2 birds with One stone! IMHO Great!





 Regards

 Anthony Easthope



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Libre Office Zotero Integration [Proposition of a New Partner?]

2012-08-14 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello Anthony,

Le mardi 14 août 2012 à 11:42 +0200, Florian Reisinger a écrit :
 Hi Anthony!
 
 
 __
 Florian Reisinger
 
 Von meinem iPad gesendet
 Sent via iPad
 
 Am 14.08.2012 um 11:11 schrieb Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com:
 
  Hi Guys
 
 
 
  I have a proposition for you all and am not sure if you would class it
  as a feature request or a partnership suggestion.
 
  My idea is as follows: The Document Foundation partners up with Roy
  Rosenzwieg Center for History and New Media and work together on making
  The Zotero project an integral part of the LibreOffice frame work.
 
 
 
  I have the feeling that I might be treading on thin ground here but I
  will outline my reasons as to why this could work below
 
 
 
   * Libreoffice is perfect for use within university's / schools as it
  can be easily distributed thanks to the GNU license the same goes
  for Zotero
   * The use of Zotero could replace the inbuilt Bibliography 
  referencing tool as the current one is quite bewildering to use for
  many people
   * Zotero has a nice GUI and can work in with Firefox via an extension
  which is also open source so at the same time we are not just
  supporting one open-source initiative but three!
   * Zotero is open to suggestions and it appears to other projects as
  well
   * Increased awareness of The Document Foundation program via Zotero
  related media attention (Vice Versa for LO and Zotero)
   * it would bring a fresh feel to the whole project and could even
  mean a new approach and reinvigorate the project
 
 
 
  Let me Know what you think and feel free to shoot me down if you so
  wish!
 
 
 With this very idea wie could Hit 2 birds with One stone! IMHO Great!


I know Zotero as a brand and I know it has loyal followers, but  could
you enlighten us  about what such a collaboration would entail?

Thanks,

Charles.



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-14 Thread Volker Merschmann
Hi Marc,

2012/8/14 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com:
 Le 2012-08-13 15:47, Johnny Rosenberg a écrit :
 I use Gmail too and it seems like you don't have to cut and paste
 anything. Seems to be OK to leave the address in ”CC: and to leave
 ””To:” empty. That's what I'm doing right now, hope it works…

 So I click ”Reply to all” (which requires a click more than just
 replying), then I delete everything in ”To:”, write my message and hit
 ”Send”. Not very quick, though. I want the old behaviour back. There
 is no way to idiot proof anyway.



 Does it not says Reply to group on the bottom of the message in GMail?

No, sadly not.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Libre Office Zotero Integration [Proposition of a New Partner?]

2012-08-14 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
On 08/14/2012 05:09 AM, Anthony Easthope wrote:
 Hi Guys



 I have a proposition for you all and am not sure if you would class it
 as a feature request or a partnership suggestion.

 My idea is as follows: The Document Foundation partners up with Roy
 Rosenzwieg Center for History and New Media and work together on making
 The Zotero project an integral part of the LibreOffice frame work.
For that to happen an important part of Zotero (the server,
specificalloy the part that provides social features) would have to be
removed from its functionality or made free, open source software.

Otherwise this would be a closed-source deal, business-only deal,
against LibreOffice core values, IMHO.

I mentioned Zotero before without much enthusiasm here, that's another
important element for this to succeed: core LIbreOffice users/devs using
Zotero aren't many (or any, that I know of).

 I have the feeling that I might be treading on thin ground here but I
 will outline my reasons as to why this could work below


   * Libreoffice is perfect for use within university's / schools as it
  can be easily distributed thanks to the GNU license the same goes
  for Zotero
You are referring to the client component. The server is not free, open
source. You can setup a server to store Zotero files, but it's not a
trivial process and it lacks any and all ZOtero social features/web
front-end. It's even advised against (for corruption risks) by Zotero.


   * The use of Zotero could replace the inbuilt Bibliography 
  referencing tool as the current one is quite bewildering to use for
  many people
Agreed! I believe I've suggested to remove it completely from LibO in
the past, such is its current state.

   * Zotero has a nice GUI and can work in with Firefox via an extension
  which is also open source so at the same time we are not just
  supporting one open-source initiative but three!
Firefox distribution is also bound to commercial restrictions,
specifically regarding its trademark and binaries origin. I wouldn't use
this argument, unfortunately it comes with strings attached.

   * Zotero is open to suggestions and it appears to other projects as
  well

Looking at how setting up a third-party server is handled/ not
encouraged, I feel the opposite. I'd love to be wrong, I haven't
asked/pursued this so it would be a good idea to see this happen.

   * Increased awareness of The Document Foundation program via Zotero
  related media attention (Vice Versa for LO and Zotero)
   * it would bring a fresh feel to the whole project and could even
  mean a new approach and reinvigorate the project
The above may be best discussed/addressed quickly on the marketing
mailing list (this will surely catch Marc Paré's attention, an
extraordinary contributor there).


 Let me Know what you think and feel free to shoot me down if you so
 wish!



I am personally interested in this, so I can be of any help,
specifically validating the free/non-free components and impact of
keeping a close eye on such details, I'll gladly make myself available.

Right now I am welcoming the 4th child in my family, a healthy boy born
2 days ago so I may not be as resposive but personal email always gets
my attention :)

Cheers,

Fabian Rodriguez
http://libreoffice.magicfab.ca


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Libre Office Zotero Integration [Proposition of a New Partner?]

2012-08-14 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hi,

Le mardi 14 août 2012 à 08:23 -0400, Fabian Rodriguez a écrit :
 On 08/14/2012 05:09 AM, Anthony Easthope wrote:
  Hi Guys
 
 
 
  I have a proposition for you all and am not sure if you would class it
  as a feature request or a partnership suggestion.
 
  My idea is as follows: The Document Foundation partners up with Roy
  Rosenzwieg Center for History and New Media and work together on making
  The Zotero project an integral part of the LibreOffice frame work.
 For that to happen an important part of Zotero (the server,
 specificalloy the part that provides social features) would have to be
 removed from its functionality or made free, open source software.
 
 Otherwise this would be a closed-source deal, business-only deal,
 against LibreOffice core values, IMHO.
 
 I mentioned Zotero before without much enthusiasm here, that's another
 important element for this to succeed: core LIbreOffice users/devs using
 Zotero aren't many (or any, that I know of).
 
  I have the feeling that I might be treading on thin ground here but I
  will outline my reasons as to why this could work below
 
 
* Libreoffice is perfect for use within university's / schools as it
   can be easily distributed thanks to the GNU license the same goes
   for Zotero
 You are referring to the client component. The server is not free, open
 source. You can setup a server to store Zotero files, but it's not a
 trivial process and it lacks any and all ZOtero social features/web
 front-end. It's even advised against (for corruption risks) by Zotero.
 
 
* The use of Zotero could replace the inbuilt Bibliography 
   referencing tool as the current one is quite bewildering to use for
   many people
 Agreed! I believe I've suggested to remove it completely from LibO in
 the past, such is its current state.
 
* Zotero has a nice GUI and can work in with Firefox via an extension
   which is also open source so at the same time we are not just
   supporting one open-source initiative but three!
 Firefox distribution is also bound to commercial restrictions,
 specifically regarding its trademark and binaries origin. I wouldn't use
 this argument, unfortunately it comes with strings attached.
 
* Zotero is open to suggestions and it appears to other projects as
   well
 
 Looking at how setting up a third-party server is handled/ not
 encouraged, I feel the opposite. I'd love to be wrong, I haven't
 asked/pursued this so it would be a good idea to see this happen.
 
* Increased awareness of The Document Foundation program via Zotero
   related media attention (Vice Versa for LO and Zotero)
* it would bring a fresh feel to the whole project and could even
   mean a new approach and reinvigorate the project
 The above may be best discussed/addressed quickly on the marketing
 mailing list (this will surely catch Marc Paré's attention, an
 extraordinary contributor there).
 
 
  Let me Know what you think and feel free to shoot me down if you so
  wish!
 
 
 
 I am personally interested in this, so I can be of any help,
 specifically validating the free/non-free components and impact of
 keeping a close eye on such details, I'll gladly make myself available.
 
 Right now I am welcoming the 4th child in my family, a healthy boy born
 2 days ago so I may not be as resposive but personal email always gets
 my attention :)
 

Well, there is a Zotero extension somewhere (used to work with the
OpenOffice.org 3.x branch). Aside that, I'm not sure what is required:
joint promotion efforts?

best,
Charles.




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Re: [tdf-discuss] Version 3.6.0 is Recommended???

2012-08-14 Thread Steven Shelton

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On 8/11/2012 4:26 AM, Cor Nouws wrote:
 Pedro wrote (10-08-12 21:03)
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 However the ONLY download visible in the Download page is 3.6.0 (it
takes 4
 or 5 pages in not so obvious links to get to version 3.5.5

 Good catch, as we call that. Thanks.
 I've added a link to the release notes page, linking to download-more
page, offering 3.6.0 and 3.5.5.

 Something we have to keep in mind too for the 3.5.6 version, in RC2 at
the moment...


Actually, I'd really like it if we made the older versions (older than
3.5) available. Currently, you can't download anything older than v 3.5.5.

We still run LibO 3.4 at my office because of a serious bug in the way
Calc handles data filtering (see Bug 46480). Both LibO 3.5 and LibO 3.6
are useless if you are trying to filter data from a database into a
spreadsheet. I can only install LibO 3.4 on new machines because I was
smart enough to save my downloads when LibO 3.4 was the new version.

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[tdf-discuss] Would you be so nice and forward this to some mailinglists...

2012-08-14 Thread Florian Reisinger

Dear developers / contributors of LibreOffice!


Todays cleanup of bugzilla went quite wrong. The same type of message 
got sent to a lot of you (either as reporter or CC) to you.


I really beg your pardon.

For your underatanding: I prepared to send one (1) message, but due to a 
browser, which hang itself up several times, you got 1-4 messages per 
bug. I am really very sorry for that and I hope you didn't uncced any of 
these bugs.


For more info, please write me a PM

PS: the original mail was not sent to a dev-ML would someone please 
forward it - thanks..


Yours

Florian

PS2: I attached 899 bugs, 99% would not be helpful of them and I am in 
CC of every single of them. So please don't write at me if you get too 
many mails. IMHO this was not a one-timer, but next time there will only 
be 50 bugs to change. I hope you understand why this was basically 
necessary...


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Version 3.6.0 is Recommended???

2012-08-14 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Steven, *,

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Steven Shelton ste...@sheltonlegal.net wrote:
 On 8/11/2012 4:26 AM, Cor Nouws wrote:
 Pedro wrote (10-08-12 21:03)
 [...]
 Something we have to keep in mind too for the 3.5.6 version, in RC2 at
 the moment...

Disabled the Recommended string yesterday. Did not add it for the
3.5.x version, since it would be strange to advertize 3.6.0 by
default, but then have a different version as recommended on the
version-selection page.

 Actually, I'd really like it if we made the older versions (older than
 3.5) available. Currently, you can't download anything older than v 3.5.5.

All previous releases of LibreOffice are available.

http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/

ciao
Christian

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[tdf-discuss] Re: Version 3.6.0 is Recommended???

2012-08-14 Thread Pedro
Hi Cor, Steven, all

Unfortunately nothing has been done to change the download page... But it's
August...


Steven Shelton wrote
 
 Actually, I'd really like it if we made the older versions (older than
 3.5) available. Currently, you can't download anything older than v 3.5.5.
 
 We still run LibO 3.4 at my office because of a serious bug in the way
 Calc handles data filtering (see Bug 46480). Both LibO 3.5 and LibO 3.6
 are useless if you are trying to filter data from a database into a
 spreadsheet. I can only install LibO 3.4 on new machines because I was
 smart enough to save my downloads when LibO 3.4 was the new version.
 

Just marked it as Regression. This should give it a higher priority. Now
lets hope some dev fancies fixing it :)

Just choose which version you want ;)
http://ftp.uni-muenster.de/pub/software/DocumentFoundation/libreoffice/stable/

even Beta versions...
http://ftp.uni-muenster.de/pub/software/DocumentFoundation/libreoffice/testing/

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-14 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Volker, *,

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Volker Merschmann
merschm...@gmail.com wrote:
 2012/8/14 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com:
 Le 2012-08-13 15:47, Johnny Rosenberg a écrit :

 So I click ”Reply to all” (which requires a click more than just
 replying),

In my version of gmail (in chromium browser), there is no difference
in number of clicks for reply and reply all.

Only if it is no the most recent one, but even then it is not a big
deal, as you can just use the reply button and then switch to reply
all in the message-composing-area. (don't have to open the
message-menu of the message you want to reply to.

 then I delete everything in ”To:”, write my message and hit

Just don't do this!
The whole point in not messing with the reply-to header is that the
message goes to everyone in the message thread.

This is what the developers want!

They don't want to have to be subscribed (since they already receive
enough mail to deal with). They want to be able to send a request for
feedback to the list and receive the replies without the need to
subscribe first or to check mail-archives.

Also it won't help moderated user-requests if you remove them. If
people don't subscribe but send a request to the list, then the list
receives the answer, but not the person who asked.

Just leave all people in the loop.

It is much easier for people to delete duplicated messages (gmail
collapses them  anyway/you don't see duplicates at all) than having to
hunt for replies when they are not subscribed.

 Does it not says Reply to group on the bottom of the message in GMail?

 No, sadly not.

It does say reply to all for the last message in the conversation,
and also in the message-editing view (given that there are multiple
addresses in the message already)

So:
Don't use reply only to list please, use reply to all

ciao
Christian

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[tdf-discuss] Re: Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-14 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Florian

Le 2012-08-12 12:26, Florian Effenberger a écrit :

Hello,

this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have changed
(so-called Reply to mangling has been disabled).

So far, e-mails had set a reply-to the mailing list address. In other
words, with any e-mail client, replies to e-mails on the list were
automatically sent directly to the list.


BTW and FYI ... users on Gmane, the option to reply is sent to the 
list. I'm on Thunderbird v.10.0.06 ESR


Cheers,

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] Re: Libre Office Zotero Integration [Proposition of a New Partner?]

2012-08-14 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Fabian et al

Le 2012-08-14 08:23, Fabian Rodriguez a écrit :

The above may be best discussed/addressed quickly on the marketing
mailing list (this will surely catch Marc Paré's attention, an
extraordinary contributor there).



I suggested we talk about it here as most of the people who use these 
extensions are on this list (in particular yourself with respect to Zotero).


... ahem ... and thanks for the compliment.

Cheers,

Marc

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-14 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Stefan, *,

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Stefan Weigel
stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote:
 Am 14.08.2012 19:13, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:
 [...]
 They don't want to have to be subscribed (since they already
 receive enough mail to deal with). They want to be able to send a
 request for feedback to the list and receive the replies without
 the need to subscribe first or to check mail-archives.

 Does this really make sense? The sender of the request would only
 receive those mails, that are a direct response to his question.

Not only direct repsonses, but all responses that keep using reply to all.
Only if someone breaks this by replying only to the list, the initial
poster won't receive replies starting with that mail anymore.

A writes to list
B replies to list  A
C replies to posting of B that now goes to A, B  the list
D replies to posting from B, but only sends to list. A won't recieve
that copy if not subscribed.
E replies to posting to D, A won't receive that copy if not subscribed
(and E doesn't add A manaully)

ciao
Christian

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