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Hi Andreas, all,
Andreas Mantke wrote on 30/03/2023 14:28:
Am 29.03.23 um 15:58 schrieb Cor Nouws:
A personal interest is not a conflict of interest which in general is
not a reason to abstain from discussing topics.
sorry to be very clear here: I've never read or heard such nonsense
topics?
Sorry if it is not there. IIRC I said the same applied for me - as is
usually the case - so my name should be there in the minutes too.
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the bills from TDF money.
You may have noticed in the years 2012-2018, when you were deputy, that
it is rather common that the decision for the budget for a certain year
is made in that same year.
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Hi Andreas,
Andreas Mantke wrote on 15/03/2023 15:01:
would be interesting to know for which FOSDEM the budget item is decided
on, for the one:
- in 2023?
or
- in 2024?
This is for the 2023 budget,
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Hi all,
Thorsten Behrens wrote on 02/03/2023 21:08:
Motion: ask Infra to setup a Jitsi recording facility for the TDF
board room as soon as possible. Recordings should be made available
only to the board, in particular when private or sensitive topics are
discussed.
+1
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, that was not completed I think.
Will check this and expect the answer will follow this week on
tdf-internal. I'll let you know if somehow that turn out to be not possible.
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to choose only those firms?
Regards,
Andreas
Am 20.01.23 um 21:47 schrieb Cor Nouws:
Hi Andreas,
Good questions.
Yes, we had a clear description of the ask. We had contacted 4
consultancy firms with a summary, of which two seemed best matching.
We got offerings from them based on the precise
in private on 2022-12-22, is
now made public in accordance with our statutes.
Cor Nouws wrote on 17/12/2022 11:59:
Hello all,
Another topic on which we need to make progress urgently IMO. Not
only to check the handling, impartiality and objectivity of the CoC
case against Paolo, but also get (a first
is quorate.
A quorum could be reached with a simple majority of 4 votes.
Result of vote: 5 approvals, 2 abstains, 0 disapprovals.
Decision: The proposal has been accepted.
One deputy supports the motion.
[NB: Rest assured, I would say, that we took notice of the discussion.]
Cor Nouws wrote on 02/12
2022. 12. 02. 9:24 keltezéssel, Cor Nouws írta:
Dear people,
Thanks for the constructive feedback on the proposal.
Various changes applied, I now call a vote for the resolution below.
Your response within 72 hours from now is much appreciated.
Cheers,
Cor
Hi,
I've brought this to the list tdf-internal for further discussion.
Cheers,
Cor
Paolo Vecchi wrote on 03/12/2022 01:32:
Hi all,
On 02/12/2022 23:42, Cor Nouws wrote:
Hi,
Until someone can explain me that it is beneficial to TDF to compete
with contributing members of the ecosystem, I
in the ecosystem. Maybe you can fix that?
I'm being put in a condition of not being able to perform my role of
director in these matters so I have little hope that those issues will
be solved.
This is factual not true.
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+ 1 :)
Cor Nouws wrote on 02/12/2022 09:24:
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"Whereas,
- with TDF stewarding, among other things, a well-working symbiosis of
various companies and volunteer de
ages 3-8 of the
abandoned dev proposal:
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/qofn646Jg6bmPYB "
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Cor Nouws wrote on 28/11/2022 10:58:
Hi all,
As promised. After the previous draft text ended up in a dead-end,
k
in a separate environment, it is just more inclusive.
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, Franklin Weng wrote:
> Believe me or not.
Let me try to provide a quick counter-balance in this thread.
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Hi Andreas,
Andreas Mantke wrote on 30/11/2022 19:56:
Am 30.11.22 um 14:20 schrieb Cor Nouws:
is that she read things at another location. Thus I've mentioned the
minutes where I do not point at people, but reflect on the content.
(Note the difference with what she describes).
I quote your
ase, don't try to turn what I said.
I'm not aware that I tried to turn what you said. Sorry if I gave that
impression.
And happy to look into this, other details, more closely. Either here,
in private mail (with others you prefer in CC) or in a call (with others
you prefer present as well).
the communication with the members you needn't think
about the strategy for the future of TDF, but about an advanced training
to improve your skills.
So I think with my explanation those words are not in place, Andreas?
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to stay balanced and try hard to
fulfill my role as vice-chairman by giving voice to everyone.
Really, if you feel treated badly in board discussions etc., do speak
up, or in private, or try to have a call.. it should not be that way :(
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Hi Emiliano,
Emiliano Vavassori wrote on 28/11/2022 22:55:
Il 27/11/22 17:41, Cor Nouws ha scritto:
Let me clarify that I did NOT take any part on the drafting of such
proposal, nor I do approve or support it or even part of it.
I clearly wrote to the other directors involved
Dear people,
Cor Nouws wrote on 27/11/2022 17:41:
I promise that will be posted soon - ultimately tomorrow - allowing us
to start the process of hiring by the end of the week, I hope.
In the mean time, there is a mail 'New proposal for hiring in-house
developers' on the list tdf-internal
is not to deny the work of you and other team
members and so on. Maybe we only make sure that it actually comes to work?
Cheers,
Cor
sophi wrote on 27/11/2022 21:50:
Hi Cor, all,
Le 27/11/2022 à 17:41, Cor Nouws a écrit :
Hi all,
I could not join this vote. As all that read my mails and hear my
h from now. If all full board members voted before, the
vote can be concluded earlier.
Ciao
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Hi,
Paolo Vecchi wrote on 25/11/2022 14:57:
All directors also expressed their support for the proposal which, as
I'm sure I did not. I mentioned items that make it questionable and
definitely not fit to help our community with developers.
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people: "put your energy where the mouth is".
Then, some details really deserve attention on tdf-internal@, that is
open to all members. I'll continue there.
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it is something that could be written to the mailing list as well?
I find this form of cautionary private emails pestering and not
appropriate for an open Free Software project.
I think it is inappropriate to post this sort of vague accusations on
the list.
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at the previous meeting. IMO not at all as
quick and clear as you promised, but..
You wrote your explanation on the investigation. There will be a reply
and then it's good to talk again.
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Cor
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Hi Sophie,
sophi wrote on 17/09/2022 20:12:
5. Discuss: Updating CoC policy (Cor Nouws, 5 mins)
Apparently we have a proposal for a new CoC policy
So I'm a bit surprised to see this item here, I've added it to a private
meeting agenda between the Board, the Membership Committee
is relevant. Very
relevant. We'll working on having a board meeting asap to discuss the topic.
HTH,
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process.
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tarting a week after end nomination, I really fail
to see how a possible delay in moderation can break the process.
.. If you fail, you have
to take the full responsibility and draw the obvious conclusion.
Thanks :)
Cor
Am 19.08.22 um 17:10 schrieb Cor Nouws:
Hi Andreas,
Andreas Mantke wr
phase (one week
before the election starts, as per § 12 II)
3. Thursday, 2022-09-01, 00:00: official start of the elections (at
least 45 days after announcement of the election, as per § 12 II) "
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ll rest, that really
is not needed to express a fair opinion.
HTH,
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nant style of communication?
So again, I regret that it has been moderated through in this form. I
will further discuss this in the board internally.
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ticization, as the clock is already ticking,
and, at the same time, emphasize the global nature of the foundation we
urge full consideration of the two proposals that have been made so far.
...
And finally wrt these proposals: no one is blocking anyone to work on these.
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interested can find lots of discussion in the archives as well as
information on what they and others can do to create the software they
like, also under TDF.
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Paolo Vecchi wrote on 08/07/2022 16:29:
my short answer is: no.
I consider it a wise decision. Let's discuss it (first) in the board.
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ecisions are not met in three months, the
project will be atticizised.
If conditions for de-atticizations (and those are similar) are met in
four months, the repository will be de-atticizised.
How beautiful and simple it that.
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ks so. Why are you doing this?
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no
objections. It's just not as practical, and asks for other preparations
and handling.
Maybe, at least, a pad with questions could be enabled.
Yep, sure.
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Hi Marina,
Marina Latini wrote on 05/07/2022 18:03:
On 05.07.2022 14:45, Cor Nouws wrote:
I see three :)
It would definitely be worth I think to have a meeting where not only
the Board of Directors but also the Board of Trustees (TDF members)
_participates_. And that would need preparations
involved, could be considered too.
Let's look what interest evolves and then decide.
Makes sense.
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he living example of conscientious
behavior, understanding, with self-reflection, direct and respectful
communication, avoiding accusations and more good habits, that inspires
the whole board :)
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ask to reconsider the decision and add it to the
public part of the agenda for the next board meeting.
.
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you ever realize that your proposals are mostly very interesting for
hosting companies and negative for ecosystem companies doing
development, in this case Collabora?
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Hi Daniel, *,
Daniel A. Rodriguez wrote on 28/06/2022 01:08:
El 27/6/22 a las 19:28, Cor Nouws escribió:
Win-win is a situation to which we all aspire. However, one of the key
pieces in this mutant puzzle is to broaden the ecosystem rather than
narrow it. And, in this sense, clear rules
and
careful working on proposals, I think it is not unfair if I notify that
it is somehow late. Then of course: better late then not at all ;)
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much ideas as possible.
greetings,
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." - I
think that is easier to read thatn "with suggesting, discussing and
implementation". We could make it even easier and say "Evaluate web
technologies and bring them...".
That's indeed clearer.
I propose that Ilmari and me finish the tender based on the latest
edits,
will be able to participate.
You may have missed something, but that is standing policy.
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volunteers and in-house developers will start
working together to fix those areas.
IMO there is clearly room for that. See my mail from 23:17 CET
I'm sure there will be a lot of fun to be had for everyone ;-)
Could well be - let's hope it works out fine.
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Hi Andreas,
Thanks for your answer,
Andreas Mantke wrote on 01/06/2022 20:13:
Am 01.06.22 um 11:48 schrieb Cor Nouws:
Andreas Mantke wrote on 31/05/2022 19:49:
I only could see the difference that in one case TDF has full control
I do not understand what you mean. What is full
to effectively
manage in house developers/mentors. And, brushing in my opinion here:
the combined knowledge of code, development, and existing needs, is best
found in our ESC, with its broad composition, open meetings etc.
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ontributed to the
project and once it was ready the representative of a commercial
contributor decided to propose a new document.
Similar as above: an insinuation, negative framing and not true.
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nuances in a11y.
So "improve to a state where it is useful for preferably all of the
situations/documents to check' or something in that direction, would be
my suggestion.
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for that.
I've added some remarks, suggestions and applied few changes.
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o idea if that is far reaching, in the sense that it can be very
complicated? So maybe add 'as far as reasonable achievable'
Changed:
* Follow web technologies and trends and bring them to TDF web services
with suggesting, discussing and implementation.
Cheers,
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Hi Paolo,
Paolo Vecchi wrote on 23/05/2022 13:07:
On 23/05/2022 12:57, Cor Nouws wrote:
It is not the responsibility of the board to micromanage the team.
To evaluate the quality of your proposal.
It would have been the responsibility of other fellow members of the
board to contribute
Paolo Vecchi wrote on 23/05/2022 12:49:
Hi Cor,
On 23/05/2022 12:37, Cor Nouws wrote:
It is the boards responsibility to evaluate that.
It is not the responsibility of the board to micromanage the team.
To evaluate the quality of your proposal.
The board has an employees oversight
for another approach, that can well result in a
similar situation, but that you sadly didn't respond to for the third or
fourth time.
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Hi Paolo,
Cor Nouws wrote on 14/05/2022 00:11:
Hi,
Paolo Vecchi wrote on 13/05/2022 11:15:
...
I haven't received any constructive feedback for a while so I presumed
This puzzles me, Paolo. What do you consider as "constructive feedback"?
I think clarifying this is useful. F
Hi,
Paolo Vecchi wrote on 13/05/2022 11:15:
...
I haven't received any constructive feedback for a while so I presumed
This puzzles me, Paolo. What do you consider as "constructive feedback"?
Cheers
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how we handle
communication about private board meetings in public. For later..
Vote runs the usual 72 hours, please answer with +1/-1/abstain to this
email.
For now: really glad with this guide line.
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Paolo Vecchi wrote on 10/04/2022 23:39:
Hi all,
On 10/04/2022 15:01, Cor Nouws wrote:
And while not always perfect, I'm convinced that we are doing a great
job in working in a fair, compliant, and transparent way.
The system is clearly not perfect and it has been said that changes
on this topic could it be
to contract full-time developer (by TDF).
Indeed, I really look forward to spent my time for TDF/the BoD on the
real needs of our community: how do we get more people in, more
developers, more companies that put trust in us.
Cheers,
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Daniel A. Rodriguez wrote on 07/04/2022 13:17:
Are you, the same one who said 'non coders can't talk', ..
I think I explained before, but happy to repeat, that the idea that
Michael said that, is at least a huge misinterpretation.
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Hi,
Thorsten Behrens wrote on 24/03/2022 00:20:
calling for an email VOTE on the below final version of the Attic
Proposal. The vote runs for 72 hours, starting now.
Thanks to all involved in the discussion ..
and +1 from me,
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-attic if there is genuine
concern about the proposed bar being too high vs a new from scratch
project.
I like this idea. It nicely addresses the problem.
Ah you already made an nice proposal on this matter, Caolán.
Sorry I missed that early in the evening :)
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as for de-attic a project, this projects wouldn't have been
supported / used by TDF.
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Cor Nouws wrote on 14/03/2022 17:34:
Hi Andras,
Andreas Mantke wrote on 13/03/2022 16:12:
the quintessence of he proposal would be that a project will at 99,9% or
more wouldn't get out of the attic state inside the TDF resources. The
barriers to de-attic a project and make it an active
projects restart without a good change on success, which is IMO
quite relevant for TDF's good name.
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of administration
etc. of which I'm not a great fan.
I hope you can understand this,
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] - such that we reference version 1.3.2 of the CoI
policy:
+1
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Hi *,
I, Cor Nouws elected member of the Board of Directors of The Document
Foundation, hereby and until further notice, nominate the following
deputies to represent me during board calls and meetings, in the order
set forth below:
1.1. Ayhan Yalçınsoy
1.2. Gabriel Masei
1.3. Gábor Kelemen
.
As expressed before, I’m willing to support a clearly defined trial
since I consider that a good way to learn what is realistic and what is
just wishful thinking.
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appreciated!
& greetings,
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(early)
next week.
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by being a member of the Board of Directors.
I believe no one in the current board has any problem with it or
wouldn't have ran for a board position.
Life can be so complicated at times ;)
I do not see a reason not to support the small improvements that are in.
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Ah - my mail crossed Simons one.
Killing this part of the thread now ;)
Cor Nouws wrote on 15/02/2022 17:05:
Hi Mike, *,
Mike Saunders wrote on 15/02/2022 16:01:
...
So some kind of bounty system may help to create a more direct link
between users (especially donors) and developers
here in a haunted folder if the new Board is interested.
Yes that what I just wrote in the old thread :) : a channel to bring
users, bounties, BugZilla issues and freelance developers together, also
with the idea to grow the pool of LibreOffice developers.
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, of course.
While working on the TDC plan, one of the elements was a channel to
bring users, bounties, BugZilla issues and freelance developers
together, also with the idea to grow the pool of LibreOffice developers.
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n it could be a
way to allow donations to steer (a tiny bit of) development. Lacking
that, it is the competence of the board to take care for good spending
of the donations.
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all the ideas and questions we saw in the discussion so far.
Cheers,
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Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts
Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint
GPD key
their
issues.
Wasn't that meant to be tendered?
Yep.
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Cor Nouws, member Board of Directors
The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin
Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts
Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint
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in the shared projects.
Then with my experience in a broad variety of commercial, volunteer and
public entities, I'm far from convinced that it leads to anything good
when a foundation tries to bend the forces that drive a commercial market.
Cheers,
Cor
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Cor Nouws, member Board of Directors
The Document
ority.
Another perspective on that: "You rushed into the board with proposals
that would allow non-contributors to start competing with one of the
major contributors, by making use of the LibreOffice brand."
And .. then you were surprised that it wasn't welcomed with applause :)
Co
ority.
Another perspective on that: "You rushed into the board with proposals
that would allow non-contributors to start competing with one of the
major contributors, by making use of the LibreOffice brand."
And .. then you were surprised that it wasn't welcomed with applause :)
Cor
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Hi Andreas,
Andreas Mantke wrote on 07/01/2022 20:28:
> Am 07.01.22 um 18:11 schrieb Cor Nouws:
>> (...)
>> I'd like to mention that one of TDF's main goal is to foster a
>> sustainable developers community. (...)
>
> I'd recommend to read through paragraph 2 of the s
Paolo Vecchi wrote on 07/01/2022 19:47:
> Thank you for your valuable contribution Cor.
>
> On 07/01/2022 18:11, Cor Nouws wrote:
>> To add to that: in the meeting where you proposed to change the
>> situation, you expressed a clear conviction that other open so
of course only be considered if it comes with solid report
on that subject.
Still waiting...
Cor
(Possibly others may have time or interest to rebut other 'single side
framed' details of your mail)
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Cor Nouws, member Board of Directors
The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin
Gemeinn
I, Cor Nouws, elected director of the board of The Document Foundation,
hereby accept this position within the Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts. My
term will start February 18, 2022.
Signed: Cor Nouws
Ich, Cor Nouws, gewähltes Mitglied des Vorstands der The Document
Foundation, nehme mein Amt
Ah well, there should of course be only one Cor standing for the Board ;)
Cor Nouws wrote on 25/11/2021 22:45:
> Dear people, dear members,
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together we Pursuit Improving!
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Email: c...@nouenoff.nl
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> [2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/BoD_rules
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