Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenOffice dead and burried?
Hi, And not IAccessible2 is the only useful application which future is uncertain. There are many other tools (migration wizard, document analyzer, share-point connector, ODF modul for MSO) which were not open source licensed but were mainly free to use and helped a lot integrating OO.o into Windows environment and for doc migrating. Do you have any idea about these tools availability? Cheers -- Kürti László From: Christophe Strobbe christophe.stro...@esat.kuleuven.be To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 12:56:13 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenOffice dead and burried? Hi, On Tue, 17 May 2011 03:49:42 -0700 (PDT), plino pedl...@gmail.com wrote: Since Oracle discontinued commercial development of the OpenOffice suite, and is handling it back to the open-source community for future development and the open-source community moved to LibreOffice, what future is there for OpenOffice? http://www.betanews.com/article/Oracle-hands-OpenOffice-to-opensource-community-gives-up-commercial-sales/1303142878 This was over a month ago. There hasn't been a new OOo build since Dev300m106 back in April 4th and 3.4 Beta in April 11th... Does this mean that no new code has been released either? I am asking this question because I am still hoping that the IAccessible2 implementation that IBM donated to Oracle last year and that Oracle was integrating and testing, will still get released somehow. IBM cannot say yet whether they would do the same exercise again if the IAccessible2 implementation does not get released (maybe they are also waiting for more announcements from Oracle at the end of this month). I have reasons to hope (I am not sure if I can disclose why) that the IAccessible2 implementation will be made available; LibreOffice could then access it too. The IAccessible2 implementation is a considerable piece of work, without which OpenOffice.org (and LibreOffice) remains poorly accessible to screen reader users on MS Windows. What do they mean by handing it back? Are they giving up on the OpenOffice brand? My contacts at Oracle have not made any statements about that. I am waiting for another press release. Best regards, Christophe Can someone from TDF shed some light? -- Christophe Strobbe K.U.Leuven - Dept. of Electrical Engineering - SCD Research Group on Document Architectures Kasteelpark Arenberg 10 bus 2442 B-3001 Leuven-Heverlee BELGIUM tel: +32 16 32 85 51 www.docarch.be Twitter: @RabelaisA11y -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.
Hi All, Sorry for this off topic but this is serious http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/print/9215419/EC_enters_talks_with_Microsoft_for_new_licenses?taxonomyName=IT+in+GovernmenttaxonomyId=13 If this come true than we (LibreOffice an other FLOSS products) will be down and out, buried by dust for ever, governments do not need better excuse than this. Please make your action today: blog about, send a mail to your member of EP, tell the local media Thx Laszlo -- Kürti László Open SKM Agency Kft. 1024 Budapest Kút u. 5 www.openskm.com kurti.las...@openskm.com (+36-1)-788-6556 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Fwd: EC enter talk with Microsoft about licenses
Dear All, I was asking for verification about the news in subject. Please find below. I'm sorry to say but this is true :( Laszlo - Forwarded Message - From: Jennifer Baker j...@figure8media.com To: Kürti László kurti.las...@openskm.com Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 11:14:19 AM Subject: Re: EC enter talk with Microsoft about licenses Hi, I'm not sure why Computerworld is showing the date as April 1. The article was first published on March 23 and is certainly not an April fool's joke. I hope if I was to write one, it would be a lot funnier! Best regards Jennifer Jennifer Baker Brussels Correspondent +32 (0)487 55 13 13 Writing for IDG News Service, the internal newswire for IDG, serving magazines such as PC Advisor, PC World, ComputerWorld, CIO and MacWorld UK. Reporting and interviewing for www.VIEUWS.eu a Belgian-owned digital forum for EU debate. On 05/04/2011 11:08, Kürti László wrote: Dear Jennifer, I'm writing to you in order for asking verification of one of your article published in Computerworld.com at 1 of April. http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/print/9215419/EC_enters_talks_with_Microsoft_for_new_licenses?taxonomyName=IT+in+GovernmenttaxonomyId=13 Please verify that this is a real news and not an April joke. Thanks and best regards Laszlo -- Kürti László Open SKM Agency Kft. 1024 Budapest Kút u. 5 www.openskm.com kurti.las...@openskm.com (+36-1)-788-6556 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.
Charles, I was asking the European members personally! to take something against it. We here in Hungary spent the last 5 years with lobbying for only to let the FLOSS into the public sector. Earlier it was not possible. We had some positive results 'cause we could refer the EU policies. But if the EC don't give ...t what can I say? I tell you, nothing! And really all the national governments will be more than happy to find an excuse not to do anything for interoperability, for standardization and for freedom. If we?, you? (TDF) have the will and members stand behind this case than we have a chance. Yes we must act an intelligent way but first of all we must act. Laszlo - Original Message - From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 11:16:58 AM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it. Hello Laszlo, Le Tue, 5 Apr 2011 09:42:10 +0200 (CEST), Kürti László kurti.las...@openskm.com a écrit : Hi All, Sorry for this off topic but this is serious http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/print/9215419/EC_enters_talks_with_Microsoft_for_new_licenses?taxonomyName=IT+in+GovernmenttaxonomyId=13 If this come true than we (LibreOffice an other FLOSS products) will be down and out, buried by dust for ever, governments do not need better excuse than this. Please make your action today: blog about, send a mail to your member of EP, tell the local media I would not be as pessimistic as you are, the EC is unfortunately a MS shop, but there is certainly ground to protest; I'd suggest you use other, more focused initiatives than this list to take action: http://interopwikiproject.com/public-procurement:ec-pushes-ahead-with-windows-7-migration Best, Charles. Thx Laszlo -- Kürti László Open SKM Agency Kft. 1024 Budapest Kút u. 5 www.openskm.com kurti.las...@openskm.com (+36-1)-788-6556 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.
Mike, I just couldn't be more different than you. You are seriously misunderstand the whole problem. This is not about bugs. This is about standardization, this is about the question of freedom vs slavery. Anyway we as a company (although not a big one) using OpenOffice.org exclusively for 5 years. We are communicating the whole world (IT and not IT companies, European and Hungarian Public Institution, we have US and UK business partners) and during this 5 year we never (let me say NEVER!) experienced any blocking bug. Even with docx, xlsx format could be read and written by OO.o or LibO (or at least a workaround can be find). And let me remind you that EC is not spending it's own money but mine and yours! And the minimum level is make the whole process open and transparent. So this is not about bugs, but policy, future and a livable life. Best, Laszlo -- Kürti László Open SKM Agency Kft. 1024 Budapest Kút u. 5 www.openskm.com kurti.las...@openskm.com (+36-1)-788-6556 - Original Message - From: Mike Hall mike.h...@onepoyle.net To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 12:45:28 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it. I think we also need to examine some of the reasons behind the reluctance. I've made this particular point before, but I don't think its significance has been accepted by the OOo/LibO community. It's hardly possible to use LibO seriously without soon running into a serious bug. I'm sure we all have our own pet problems and have found a way around them or have simply accepted them. The difficult is that for the 'normal' end user, the support cost of just one of those incidents is likely to exceed the MSO licence cost. Similar kinds of problems do of course occur with MSO, but my experience in a very large international where I was in a place to see the problems is that they are very very much rarer. Until we put our house in order and deliver a product free of the majority of bugs, for most pragmatists the obvious simplest and cheapest solution is bound to remain MSO. Thus, whatever the protests and lobbying, the bureaucracy will find a way of justifying that choice. From my observations, the quality of OOo has in practice been getting worse rather than better with each succeeding release. It's too early to say for LibO, but I do not see that concentrated determination to address the totality of bugs which would be necessary to make things right. Mike On 05/04/2011 11:22, Kürti László wrote: Charles, I was asking the European members personally! to take something against it. We here in Hungary spent the last 5 years with lobbying for only to let the FLOSS into the public sector. Earlier it was not possible. We had some positive results 'cause we could refer the EU policies. But if the EC don't give ...t what can I say? I tell you, nothing! And really all the national governments will be more than happy to find an excuse not to do anything for interoperability, for standardization and for freedom. If we?, you? (TDF) have the will and members stand behind this case than we have a chance. Yes we must act an intelligent way but first of all we must act. Laszlo - Original Message - From: Charles-H. Schulzcharles.sch...@documentfoundation.org To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 11:16:58 AM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it. Hello Laszlo, Le Tue, 5 Apr 2011 09:42:10 +0200 (CEST), Kürti Lászlókurti.las...@openskm.com a écrit : Hi All, Sorry for this off topic but this is serious http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/print/9215419/EC_enters_talks_with_Microsoft_for_new_licenses?taxonomyName=IT+in+GovernmenttaxonomyId=13 If this come true than we (LibreOffice an other FLOSS products) will be down and out, buried by dust for ever, governments do not need better excuse than this. Please make your action today: blog about, send a mail to your member of EP, tell the local media I would not be as pessimistic as you are, the EC is unfortunately a MS shop, but there is certainly ground to protest; I'd suggest you use other, more focused initiatives than this list to take action: http://interopwikiproject.com/public-procurement:ec-pushes-ahead-with-windows-7-migration Best, Charles. Thx Laszlo -- Kürti László Open SKM Agency Kft. 1024 Budapest Kút u. 5 www.openskm.com kurti.las...@openskm.com (+36-1)-788-6556 -- Mike Hall www.onepoyle.net -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E
Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.
Mike, Have you ever tried to work with MS office? Have you ever made a doc longer than 10 pages? How many times you had to reedit those MS docs? Just about every time you opened it in a different PC. Pls don't get me wrong, but MS office works just as OO.o or LibO. And this is not the case, but please let yourself off the hook of MS FUDs. :) Laszlo - Original Message - From: Mike Hall mike.h...@onepoyle.net To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 1:21:03 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it. On 05/04/2011 12:11, Kürti László wrote: Even with docx, xlsx format could be read and written by OO.o or LibO (or at least a workaround can be find). Laslo, Don't get me wrong, I entirely agree with all your sentiments. Unfortunately, in practice the description of the situation I gave will dominate. The quote from your email above seems to confirm that even your company has experienced significant end user support issues. I just wish it were different. -- Mike Hall www.onepoyle.net -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font
There are free fonts for all sorts of special needs, for example the STIX family of fonts includes every symbol and character for the entire universe of scientific/technical publishing. That is true, but what will happen when you send .pdf with those fonts to windows desktop or MAC. You see it on the monitor but not able to print at all :( too bad Laszlo -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/RE-tdf-discuss-Re-Feature-request-embed-font-tp2706681p2715928.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] REVIEW ARTICLE: VITAL reading for LibreOffice developers, users, supporters
John, I'm not with you with this interpretation of the compatibility issues These include compatibility with MS Office XML and 2010 files, Presentation having limited PowerPoint features, and a few others that the article mentions. the problem is keeping the standards or not. this is a mission impossible being compatible with closed MS formats, as you might know well MS doesn't even keep it's own standard bought from ISO In this point, I suggest we have to show some toughness and we should show up a bit about MS indolent if not malicious behavior. Laszlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] some really bad news
http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/12/cptn-holdings-llc-acquirer-of-882.html so whoever get the idea first that OpenOffice should be free (libre) and not only open she must be praised and thanked. Laszlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave
The real question was why didn't the TDF founders who have/had official roles in OOo publicly resign from those roles on Sept 28th, one second BEFORE announcing the birth of TDF? Would'nt it have been much more proper, considering that creating TDF is basically saying in public the way Oracle is handling OOo sucks so much that we can't take it anymore? Why all this surprise now? This IS the point! +1 Because WE wanted to move on founding tdf so not to resign before the action was a mistake Laszlo -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
