[tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-design] Breaking out of the box (applications versus objects)
Hi Greg, *, yes I read it all and I'm fully with you. But what you are proposing here is not a Design choice it's a general choice and should be on the discuss Mailinglist from libreoffice. discuss@documentfoundation.org What I can say is that for the moment they have all the different applications work with shared scripts and all, to minimize the data they use. (I'm not going further because I'm not quit sure) I have forwarded this mail ;-) Houbsi On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:44:46 +, noh.way.jose noh.way.j...@dsl.pipex.com wrote: I'm new to this community, so please forgive me if the topic I'd like to discuss has already been aired. To set the scene, first a bit of summarised, probably partisan and probably only partially accurate context. I point this out because I wouldn't want the thread to spin off into pedantic historic details and corrections. Having been around the computer industry for many years now, I have kept abreast of computing advancements by reading the industry news, developing products and using them. A pattern of acquisitions, mergers,aggregations, best practice, standards and plain copying has been going on so relentlessly that I believe that the fruits of these enterprises no longer adequately meet users needs as well as can be. The original modern interface (Xerox Star) didn't differentiate by application but by objects familiar to users. The application rot started with the commercial versions of this approach but really got application centric with Windows '95. My rough recollection is that MS Office started as a bunch of acquisitions that map pretty much to the applications we see now, whether MS, OOO or LO. That is; a word processor, a presentation manager, a spreadsheet and a database. Leaving the DB out of the argument for the moment, as a non presentation centric technology, I'd like to propose Libre Office consider a mid to long term strategy to ditch the artificial boundaries between applications. Let us return to the idea of supporting users' needs without filtering them through artificial application capabilities! Instead of applications, let's have a document, a variety of choices of rendering the document (print, screen, presentation, web, edit, collaborative edit, c.) and tools. The tools can still be categorised, but not as they are in applications, where the application is a hard boundary. The tools here could all be used, irrespective of the presentation mechanism. Categorisation of the tools need only be done as a means to support user tasks, perhaps along multiple dimensions, using tags. This proposal means only having to develop a tool once and allowing the concurrent availability of tools that the artificial applications boundaries would normally exclude. For example, DTP tools, such as layout grids and text flow, which could be used alongside more traditional word processing tools in documents, presentations and other formats. Of course, the toolset and the rendering mechanisms could be extended in a modular way, making the development time-line much more appropriate to an open source community, with competition for tool developers to build a better tool. If the core design team act in an editorial and standards capacity, then the result can hang together seamlessly. (Apple seems to have cracked this a bit ;o) Enough rambling from me. I'd be really interested to see if there's anyone else who gets what I'm on about and whether there's enough interest to start investigating in more detail. If on the other hand you think I've got it all wrong, I'm happy to defend my views or admit defeat, depending on the feedback. If you read this far, well done :o) Cheers, Greg -- Mike Houben UI - Coding - Animation http://www.crazyhstudio.net -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [UI] Citrus: contextual toolbars
I find this citrus realy good. But in my thoughts it's a little bit to much Linux direction. We don't have to forget the other Systems (Windows, Mac OS). M 2010/11/20 David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz Hi Mirek, :-) On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 20:24, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: Contextual toolbars in Citrus: http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2010/11/19/citrus-fizz/ Nice feature (provided that one can also disable it if desired). David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] UI - Making it an official project/goal?
Hey there, If i'm right TDF and LO are founded to go forward to the future and improve the application. In fact to do this and make a clean cut to our old history with OOo I'm willing to supervise the new identity of LO. I will not deny our sources to OOo but for the people out there and ourselves should we take the application to the future. This future is a new design. In another mail we talked about a themable application, this is one feature why the other opensource applications. I like to do this in the same way (I can't code this but I like to do the thinking and planning) In the same time i' already working in my head on a new basic template for the UI. It's a little bit crazy, for a new direction my idea could be cool ( I'm not sure but I hope that it will be). To explain myself a little bit: I like to take advantage of the whole widescreen, they are nearly a lot more. For my credentials look at my site: www.crazyhstudio.net I studied 3 years graphic design for web and multimedia. In this time I found my interest and love in UI. For the moment I'm studying informatics. Both in Belgium. I hope I made my idea and point clear if the are questions feel free to shot them. I'm always open for criticism ;) And please be nice, this is my first involvement in a real world project. Mike (or on the web: Houbsi) P.s. While rereading I found my love for the word but ;) Mobil gesendet Sent mobile Envoyé mobile -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal
Hi all, i already asked a little bit around for the GUI remake and I'm liking Mireks UI proposals. I think it's about time to start a seperate mailinglist for the UI of LO so we can focus on this project. And all out there who don't like to have a new UI, don't bash this project. If you ask nicely there is every time to make the themeable LO. Like Firefox or all other Opensourceprogramms. I'm for the idea, that every user himself can decide which theme he use. A new better Ergnomic UI or the old UI or a lighter UI, Mike -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Moderators needed
Mhhh okay :D Found the subscription mail in my send box, but postbox didn't send them now i know why i didn't receive anythin. i like the website list! 2010/10/6 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Hi Mike, Hi Nguyen, thanks for the offers! Which lists do you want to moderate? It makes sense if you are actually subscribed to them and read them, that's why I ask ;) Florian Am 06.10.2010 um 14:59 schrieb Mike Houben: I like to moderate and help you :) -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 Fax: +49 8341 99660889 Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bunsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] New GUI for OOo/Libreoffice....
Hey you all, I'm starting to make some scratches, but i need some help with your ideas from your point of vue. You knew the GUI of Microsoft's Office and the one Apple has done. Have you some things you like to have also in the GUI of our app? do you like to have other things that they don't have? what do you don't like about our GUI? ? Thanks for your help :) Mike -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] New GUI for OOo/Libreoffice....
if you could attach the mockup ;) it would be grate ;) 2010/10/2 RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com Hello all! I would love to see a new toolbar that works as quick style selector/style status. Right now you can only see the paragraph style on one place (format toolbar) and the page style on other (status bar) and it is not possible to know which character style is applied: the info is then scattered and incomplete. It should be possible to dock this new toolbar to the left/right of the window, the same way the Stylist and Navigator can be docked (and hidden: that's a great feature of those menus!). The layout could be something like the (poor) attached mockup What do you think? -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bunsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOfficeForum.org is now functioning
Why making several forums? Make 1 Forum, 1 Maincategorie for language. So people like me, who speaks french, german, english, nederlands, can use the same forum and don't have to register 4 different accounts! 2010/9/30 Karl-Heinz Gödderz de...@gukk-online.de thank you Sam Sam schrieb: Hello Document Foundation / LibreOffice, I would like to offer to the LibreOffice community a support forum that I have just created on a reliable host: http://libreofficeforum.org It is my hope that LibreOfficeForum.org will serve as a central point for English language support. I am also fluent in the Spanish language, and if necessary I could create a similar forum for that language if you would like. I have been administering community forums with Drupal for quite a few years now, and I feel confident that with the help of some additional honest, polite moderators, we could maintain a high level of organization on LibreOfficeForum.org. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks again for your time and efforts. Sincerely, Sam Same question as I posted in the forum: can we support other languages also in that forum? I thought about having http://libreofficeforum.org/de/ for german e.g. or /es/ for spanish. so anyone can search his problem in all languages he can understand and doesn't have to remember that the english forum has the name x, the german y and the spanish z or so. could anyone see what I mean? Best regards Karl-Heinz -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bunsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
