Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Paul Gress

On 12/31/10 05:07 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

On 30/12/10 20:41, Larry Gusaas wrote:


On 2010/12/30 2:19 PM  Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
OOXML will spread anyway because MS Office 2007 and 2010 use this format by default. Nothing you can do about it I'm afraid 


Yes you can do something about it. Don't enable writing in that format. Use 
PDF's for communicating. If a MS user needs to be able to modify a document, 
use .doc format. There is no need to use .docx format. MS Office 2008 and 2011 
can still read .doc files.




None of you get the point, do you.
1. It is arrogant to return a document in a format different to that which was 
sent to you. (That's why email clients always reply in the same format in which 
the original message was received)




It must be arrogant for them to send you a format you don't support.  Also, if 
the Win 7 users don't know what format the documents are in, why does it matter 
if it's returned to them in a .doc format?




2. Changing the format may well lose formatting in the document that is not 
supported in the older document type.



Changing the format is inevitable.  Libreoffice and OOo converts it to ODF when 
it opens/imports the docx.  When you save that document as a .doc file 
Libreoffice and OOo simply export it to that format.  There are two conversion, 
opening and saving.  As I stated previously, saving to .docx will not be as 
accurate as saving to .doc until it matures.



3. .doc, .xls and .ppt  are Microsoft proprietary formats anyway - it's just 
that they are much easier to analyse...




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Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Paul Gress

On 12/31/10 07:50 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:


The answer to ALL this nonsense is surely this.
If you receive an OOXML document, politely reply to the sender and request that 
they send it in another format, explaining why.
And BTW, the latest Open Office ALSO supports writing to OOXML format...



As I've stated previously, what version?  I have installed OOo dev 3.4 (m95) and 3.3 OOo 
rc8 (m18) and I can't save as a docx.


Paul

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Paul Gress

On 12/31/10 08:23 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

On 31/12/10 13:21, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

On 31/12/10 13:17, RGB ES wrote:


As someone already said, that's absolutely wrong: I have 3.3rc8 and
300m95 running here and none of them support writing to whateverX
formats.
Maybe you are using some go-oo derivative, but oracle's OOo do not
support writing to those formats, not even the development version for
3.4.


Well, Open Office 3.2.1 running on Ubuntu 10.04 has a Save-As option of Office 
2007 xml (docx). So i don't know what THAT is then, if it's not OOXML


And it's the ORACLE version as well.



I just installed OOo 3.2.1 in my Windows VBox and it didn't have a save as docx.  When you 
select Help  About Openoffice.org what version does it display?

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread Paul Gress

On 12/30/10 08:09 PM, Carl Symons wrote:




http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49t=2493p=169740#p169507


http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20101219121621828

; Unless this changes I will strongly advocate in the support groups  I
participate the people stay with OpenOffice.org and not switch to
  LibreOffice.

One minor point here...OOo also supports writing to docx format.



I checked my OOo, dev m95 (3.4), it doesn't support save as docx and 3.3 rc8 (3.3 m18) 
also doesn't support docx in save as.  What version are you using that supports docx?



Also, for what it's worth, saving as a docx to me is a bad idea.  I've imported 
doc files extensively in the past, straightened them out to view properly, 
saved as an odt, then saved as a doc again only to find some different 
formatting doesn't come out correctly with the doc.  I suspect docx will be 
worse.  I have got many people in the past to convert to OOo.  I will now 
promote them to Libreoffice.  I cannot move over myself as I use Solaris 11 
Express (similar to Opensolaris) which there is no port.

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