Re: [tdf-discuss] Version 3.6.0 is Recommended???

2012-08-14 Thread Steven Shelton

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On 8/11/2012 4:26 AM, Cor Nouws wrote:
 Pedro wrote (10-08-12 21:03)
 [...]
 However the ONLY download visible in the Download page is 3.6.0 (it
takes 4
 or 5 pages in not so obvious links to get to version 3.5.5

 Good catch, as we call that. Thanks.
 I've added a link to the release notes page, linking to download-more
page, offering 3.6.0 and 3.5.5.

 Something we have to keep in mind too for the 3.5.6 version, in RC2 at
the moment...


Actually, I'd really like it if we made the older versions (older than
3.5) available. Currently, you can't download anything older than v 3.5.5.

We still run LibO 3.4 at my office because of a serious bug in the way
Calc handles data filtering (see Bug 46480). Both LibO 3.5 and LibO 3.6
are useless if you are trying to filter data from a database into a
spreadsheet. I can only install LibO 3.4 on new machines because I was
smart enough to save my downloads when LibO 3.4 was the new version.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] ignore m$ legacy?

2011-07-25 Thread Steven Shelton

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On 7/22/2011 7:23 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:
 Even worse, given that MSO has the greatest market share it means that
most legacy documents use the MSO formats. I knew many people that
refused to switch from Word Perfect when I told them that OOo would NOT
read their document archives that they spent years creating.
 
As an aside, since when does OOo not open WordPerfect files? I used it
to open one just this morning.
 
 
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Re: [tdf-discuss] (Fwd) The French Gov. loves Microsoft

2011-01-03 Thread Steven Shelton

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On 1/1/2011 12:52 PM, Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote:
 Did you know that anything running Linux in France is not a
 computer? The outworking of this is a skewed market in favour of
 MS operating systems, and therefore in favour of MS applications.
 This DOES affect LibO.

[snip]

 As a result, the government needed a way to define what devices
 qualify as computers, which led to the decision to deem a device a
 computer only if it runs Microsoft Windows. This means that, as
 far as the French government is concerned, a tablet running any
 other operating system -- including Linux, Mac OS, or Android -- is
 just a device used by pirates who need to be taxed.


As an attorney, my suspicion is that this story has something
misleading about it. What I actually suspect is that there may have
been an exemption created for Windows machines because MS may already
be paying some kind of licensing-related tax, and taxing Windows
machines would be a double-tax. There are hundreds of examples of this
in tax law throughout the world, usually related to tariffs of some
sort (i.e., the domestic manufacturers of Product X have to pay a tax
that foreign manufacturers don't, so a tax is created on Product X
that specifically exempts the domestic manufacturers).

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Steven Shelton

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On 12/31/2010 10:03 AM, Kevin André wrote:
 I would suggest the following instead. Support OOXML completely,
 but when the user saves his/her document in a proprietary format
 display a confirmation message which says something like: You are
 saving your file in a proprietary format. We cannot guarantee that
 the file will still open correctly in another program. Please use
 an open file format for saving your document if possible. Are you
 still sure you wish to save in the current format? And display a
 checkbox below that can disable the message, or maybe add a note
 You can disable this message by going to Options-. and have
 no checkbox at all. And the message would appear by default even
 for the binary MS formats (.doc, .xls, .ppt, ...).

This is a much better idea. However, I should note that even ODF
files--despite the hype--are not 100% on preserving formatting when
moved from one application to another. I have my letterhead saved as
ODF done in OOo, but when I open it in AbiWord the formatting is all
over the place.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread Steven Shelton

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On 12/30/2010 12:27 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
 I will not support or use LibreOffice
 until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this
 file format. There is absolutely no need to write in this
 proprietary format. To do so is contrary to the principle of using
 ODF and open source formats.

On the other hand . . . isn't that doing exactly what MS does? Do two
wrongs make a right? I thought the idea behind this particular office
suite was to make any file accessible to the extent possible. That's
why I use it. Regardless of what LibO does, MS is going to continue to
use OOXML, and if the open source suites don't support it, then they
are shooting themselves in the foot and essentially doing MS's bidding
by ensuring that people who want to exchange files in that format have
to buy MS products.

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[tdf-discuss] Question regarding font spacing . . .

2010-12-23 Thread Steven Shelton

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This is probably not the right list for this, but . . .

I've noticed that since I started using LibO (RC1), that the fonts do
not space the same in Writer as they do in OOo. I'm not using the
default fonts; these are form letters that have been on my hard drive
for years. When I open them in OOo, they look fine. When I open them
in LibO, they seem to have a bit more space between the characters.
For instance, words are forced to wrap in LibO when they are near the
right-hand margin of the page when those same words do not wrap in
OOo. (I've tested using OOo 3.1, 3.2, and the latest 3.3 RCs.)

Anyone else observed this, or able to explain why?

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread Steven Shelton

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On 11/2/2010 2:28 PM, Marc Paré wrote:
 I'm reluctant to download the beta since the Web site says it
 will overwrite my existing Oo and I don't have an available
 spare machine at the moment. I'll see if I can free up one and
 try it.

 I am not sure if this is still the case. Maybe someone else can
 comment on this? I thought it was fixed in Beta2.

This is fixed in Beta 2.

However, LibO crashes constantly on my Windows XP box. I tried to use
it for a bit to test it, and the crashes were so frequent it was
entirely unusable.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Missing function

2010-11-04 Thread Steven Shelton
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On 11/4/2010 2:39 PM, Robert Derman wrote:
 It is used primarily in academic situations as a means of testing 
 formatting options where you don't want students to be distracted by the 
 contents of the text.  Since the text is in Latin, a language that few 
 of them will understand, they will ignore it.

And by publishers and designers, who want to see how a page will look
before they have the copy to insert into it. It's actually a
tremendously valuable tool that I use very, very frequently.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-04 Thread Steven Shelton
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On 11/4/2010 3:31 PM, e-letter wrote:
 In terms of priorities, making LO the default for mobile (e.g.
 android) is more important than windoze.

Really? Because I can't recall the last time I drafted a legal brief on
my cell phone.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Automatic Updates

2010-10-06 Thread Steven Shelton

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On 10/6/2010 2:21 PM, Charles Marcus wrote:
 Oh - and one thing that I'd really like to see is a simple 'incremental
 updater' that just downloads a 'patch' file and patches itself, like
 Firefox and Thunderbird and lots of other programs do now

+1

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[tdf-discuss] Explanation . . . ?

2010-09-29 Thread Steven Shelton

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Okay, I get what's going on here with the new foundation being
created, but I think the way the announcements are done is a bit
confusing to the average person who is not an insider on the project.

Is LibreOffice a new fork of OOo, or is this essentially the same as
when the Mozilla Foundation completely took over the Netscape/Firefox
project? In other words, will new versions of OpenOffice.org continue
to be developed and supported/made available for download at
OpenOffice.org, or is OpenOffice.org (the product) now renamed
LibreOffice, meaning all new development will take place under that
moniker?

And is LibreOffice Beta the same as OpenOffice.org 3.3 Beta 1, but
rebranded? What's the relationship between the two?

This has GOT to be confusing to the average user. I've been fairly
involved in OOo for years, and *I'm* confused about what's happening
here. Can someone clear this up a bit?

(FWIW, this has historically been one of the major roadblocks to
adoption of more open source software--especially linux--by regular
consumers. The software seems to be designed by and for developers
because the announcements and documentation are all aimed at the in
crowd who understand what it means to compile, what a distro is,
and what a fork is. Joe Sixpack has no way of understanding what
most of the software is, let alone distinguish between versions and
understand how to install and use the software. If the idea is to make
open source software more prominent, there has to be a better effort
on the part of the open source community--for all projects--to be less
developer oriented and to be more consumer oriented in
documentation and promotion.)

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