Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-24 Thread Robert Derman
Jon Hamkins wrote: On 04/22/2011 05:33 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi *, On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Jon Hamkinshamk...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: On 04/06/2011 04:54 AM, toki wrote: There are roughly one billion words in the English language. You could have a LibO spell checker

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-24 Thread Jon Hamkins
On 04/24/2011 01:36 PM, Robert Derman wrote: I have said this a number of times, and that at least the English version is sadly deficient in compound words, at least the one in OOo 3.11 which I am still using because I am reluctant to give up the personal dictionary to which I have added

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-24 Thread Robert Derman
Jon Hamkins wrote: On 04/24/2011 01:36 PM, Robert Derman wrote: I have said this a number of times, and that at least the English version is sadly deficient in compound words, at least the one in OOo 3.11 which I am still using because I am reluctant to give up the personal dictionary to which

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-23 Thread toki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 22/04/2011 03:40, Jon Hamkins wrote: There are roughly one billion words in the English language. You could Actually, there are only about one million English words in English, and You are right. That billion words is the size of the corpus

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-23 Thread Jon Hamkins
On 04/22/2011 05:33 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi *, On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Jon Hamkinshamk...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: On 04/06/2011 04:54 AM, toki wrote: There are roughly one billion words in the English language. You could have a LibO spell checker that contains each of

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-22 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *, On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Jon Hamkins hamk...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: On 04/06/2011 04:54 AM, toki wrote: There are roughly one billion words in the English language. You could have a LibO spell checker that contains each of those words. Actually, there are only about one

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-21 Thread Jon Hamkins
On 04/06/2011 04:54 AM, toki wrote: There are roughly one billion words in the English language. You could have a LibO spell checker that contains each of those words. Actually, there are only about one million English words in English, and that's including the 500,000 or so scientific

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-21 Thread Jon Hamkins
@documentfoundation.org Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 11:16:58 AM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences,Please make your action today against it. Hello Laszlo, Le Tue, 5 Apr 2011 09:42:10 +0200 (CEST), Kürti Lászlókurti.las...@openskm.com a écrit : Hi All

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-08 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences,Please make your action today against it. Hello Laszlo, Le Tue, 5 Apr 2011 09:42:10 +0200 (CEST), Kürti László kurti.las...@openskm.com a écrit : Hi All, Sorry for this off topic but this is serious http

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-06 Thread toki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/04/2011 14:56, Mike Hall wrote: long documents, I personally came across only 2 instances of genuine MSO bugs. I guess it is a feature that when I used MSO 2010 with Win7, the mean time till seeing the BSOD was under 100 seconds. I guess it is

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-06 Thread Laurence Jeloudev
MO? What about iWork? How Come our document formats don't work with them. Sent from my iPhone On 06/04/2011, at 9:23 PM, toki toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/04/2011 14:56, Mike Hall wrote: long documents, I personally came across only 2

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-06 Thread toki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/04/2011 21:23, Robert Derman wrote: My prime example, the word list in the spell checker is PATHETIC!!! It is fairly easy to toss out the built in spell checker, and replace it with something that is more suitable for your organization's

[tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Kürti László
Hi All, Sorry for this off topic but this is serious http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/print/9215419/EC_enters_talks_with_Microsoft_for_new_licenses?taxonomyName=IT+in+GovernmenttaxonomyId=13 If this come true than we (LibreOffice an other FLOSS products) will be down and out, buried by

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread pierre choffardet
Le 05/04/2011 09:42, Kürti László a écrit : Hi All, Sorry for this off topic but this is serious http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/print/9215419/EC_enters_talks_with_Microsoft_for_new_licenses?taxonomyName=IT+in+GovernmenttaxonomyId=13 If this come true than we (LibreOffice an other FLOSS

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello Laszlo, Le Tue, 5 Apr 2011 09:42:10 +0200 (CEST), Kürti László kurti.las...@openskm.com a écrit : Hi All, Sorry for this off topic but this is serious

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Le Tue, 05 Apr 2011 10:53:47 +0200, pierre choffardet pierre.choffar...@free.fr a écrit : Le 05/04/2011 09:42, Kürti László a écrit : Hi All, Sorry for this off topic but this is serious

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Ian Lynch
The commission is committed to getting value for money and negotiates on behalf of all the E.U. institutions, agencies and other bodies - 42 in all. Representing such a large number allows us to drive costs down and we will drive a hard bargain. How hard a bargain can they drive when the vendor

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Kürti László
Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it. Hello Laszlo, Le Tue, 5 Apr 2011 09:42:10 +0200 (CEST), Kürti László kurti.las...@openskm.com a écrit : Hi All, Sorry for this off topic but this is serious http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/print/9215419

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Mike Hall
...@documentfoundation.org To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 11:16:58 AM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it. Hello Laszlo, Le Tue, 5 Apr 2011 09:42:10 +0200 (CEST), Kürti Lászlókurti.las

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Kürti László
- Original Message - From: Charles-H. Schulzcharles.sch...@documentfoundation.org To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 11:16:58 AM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Mike Hall
On 05/04/2011 12:11, Kürti László wrote: Even with docx, xlsx format could be read and written by OO.o or LibO (or at least a workaround can be find). Laslo, Don't get me wrong, I entirely agree with all your sentiments. Unfortunately, in practice the description of the situation I gave will

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Kürti László
, but please let yourself off the hook of MS FUDs. :) Laszlo - Original Message - From: Mike Hall mike.h...@onepoyle.net To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 1:21:03 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
an intelligent way but first of all we must act. Laszlo - Original Message - From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 11:16:58 AM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Mike Hall
the hook of MS FUDs. :) Laszlo - Original Message - From: Mike Hallmike.h...@onepoyle.net To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 1:21:03 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
. :) Laszlo - Original Message - From: Mike Hallmike.h...@onepoyle.net To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 1:21:03 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Mike Hall
- Original Message - From: Mike Hallmike.h...@onepoyle.net To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 1:21:03 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it. On 05/04/2011 12:11, Kürti László

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread M. Fioretti
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 18:12:34 PM +0100, Mike Hall (mike.h...@onepoyle.net) wrote: The main cost is not the licence, for which in any case large organisations generally pay very little per desktop. It's user support that is costly, ie overall cost of ownership. Mike, I have a question about

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Ian Lynch
:21:03 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it. On 05/04/2011 12:11, Kürti László wrote: Even with docx, xlsx format could be read and written by OO.o or LibO (or at least a workaround can be find). Laslo

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Steve Edmonds
@documentfoundation.org Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 1:21:03 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences,Please make your action today against it. On 05/04/2011 12:11, Kürti László wrote: Even with docx, xlsx format could be read and written by OO.o or LibO (or at least

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Ercole Carpanetto
On 5 April 2011 20:17, M. Fioretti mfiore...@nexaima.net wrote: On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 18:12:34 PM +0100, Mike Hall (mike.h...@onepoyle.net) wrote: The main cost is not the licence, for which in any case large organisations generally pay very little per desktop. It's user support that is

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Ercole Carpanetto
On 5 April 2011 21:08, Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com wrote: All. I tend to agree with Mike on many aspects. We use 12 instances of LO in our business and I support more privately. I inter-react with an educational institution and others predominantly MO, our business is mainly LO.

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Mark Preston
: Mike Hallmike.h...@onepoyle.net To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 1:21:03 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences,Please make your action today against it. On 05/04/2011 12:11, Kürti László wrote: Even with docx, xlsx

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Robert Derman
Mike Hall wrote: Charles, I think an appreciation of this point is absolutely crucial to a successful product, which is why I bang on about it. And I'm only faithfully recording my own experience. Unfortunately there is a difference in quality, which implicitly you seem to recognise. Yes,

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Steve Edmonds
On 2011-04-06 07:19, Ercole Carpanetto wrote: On 5 April 2011 21:08, Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com wrote: All. I tend to agree with Mike on many aspects. We use 12 instances of LO in our business and I support more privately. I inter-react with an educational institution and

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Steve Edmonds
Commitee enter talks with MS licences,Please make your action today against it. On 05/04/2011 12:11, Kürti László wrote: Even with docx, xlsx format could be read and written by OO.o or LibO (or at least a workaround can be find). Laslo, Don't get me wrong, I