[tdf-discuss] Godot's official statement (was:New name)

2010-10-05 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi Andy, *,

Andy Brown schrieb:

On Tue Oct 05 2010 14:10:26 GMT-0700 (PDT)  Christoph Noack wrote:
 Am Montag, den 04.10.2010, 17:03 -0700 schrieb Andy Brown:
 On Mon Oct 04 2010 16:29:37 GMT-0700 (PDT)  Christoph Noack wrote:

[..]

The article only states Oracle said it was investing substantial
resources in OpenOffice.org.

“With more than 100 million users, we believe OpenOffice.org is the
 most advanced, most feature-rich open-source implementation and will
 strongly encourage the OpenOffice community to continue to contribute
 through www.openoffice.org,” the enterprise software and hardware
 giant said in a statement.  With no name or reference to where the
 statement can be see.

 It has already been cited by Kürti on this list:
 http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/msg00282.html

 A repeat of the news article.

 Aha. But what you mean? :-)

 Just what I said, the message only repeats the same statement. 
 Again no name or reference to where the full statement can be
 found.

Who made the statement?  What is their position at Oracle?  Anyone can
make a statement but how much weight does that statement carry?

 If you take it a face value then there is no way that Oracle is going
 to hand over the trademark or anything else to the community that has
 helped build it.  Do they actually think that they did all the work
 to get that 100 million users?  Yet there are some that hold to the
 idea.

No, they think they *bought* all the work. They have good reasons to
remain silent. We should accept that, stop thinking about it and go
ahead.

Gruß/regards
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Friedrich

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Godot's official statement

2010-10-05 Thread Italo Vignoli
Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:

 If you take it a face value then there is no way that Oracle is going
 to hand over the trademark or anything else to the community that has
 helped build it.  Do they actually think that they did all the work
 to get that 100 million users?  Yet there are some that hold to the
 idea.
 
 No, they think they *bought* all the work. They have good reasons to
 remain silent. We should accept that, stop thinking about it and go
 ahead.

Please remind that Oracle is used to play in the corporate marketplace,
where the time has a different meaning. They want 15 days to approve a
quote in a press release, against two days requested by Microsoft (is
just an example).

In addition, they are used to own everything they buy. Look at what
has happened to PeopleSoft and Siebel, whose brands have disappeared
from the market.

If you spend a couple of hours reading online interviews to Larry
Ellison, you will be enlightened on the subject.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Godot's official statement

2010-10-05 Thread Erich Christian
Hi,

Am 06.10.2010 01:26, schrieb Andy Brown:
 On Tue Oct 05 2010 15:16:39 GMT-0700 (PDT)  Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:
 Andy Brown schrieb:
 If you take it a face value then there is no way that Oracle is going
 to hand over the trademark or anything else to the community that has
 helped build it.  Do they actually think that they did all the work
 to get that 100 million users?  Yet there are some that hold to the
 idea.

 No, they think they *bought* all the work. They have good reasons to
 remain silent. We should accept that, stop thinking about it and go
 ahead.

 I am sure that they have very good reasons, thus my questioning the
 statements that have be credited to Oracle.  As I see it if the
 community does not move on it will fail.
 This in fighting over a name is not helping matters any.  The
 discussion that is going on in some of the OOo list is not helping.

*+1*

Erich
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