Re: [tdf-discuss] REVIEW ARTICLE: VITAL reading for LibreOffice developers, users, supporters

2011-02-17 Thread Mark Preston
Thanks for getting in touch, Joe, and I'll try to answer where I can.

On 16/02/2011 16:45, Joe Rotello wrote:
 Almost VITAL reading for LibreOffice developers, users, and supporters:
 
 [snip]
 
 The reasoning is that these weakness areas MUST be addressed and SOON,
 ...[snip]
 
 These include compatibility with MS Office XML and 2010 files,

As has been mentioned here before, LibO will both read and write MS
Office OOXML files. The matter of changing specifications for those
files by Microsoft in the future is under their control and all we can
do is catch up later since the openness of their file structure
details is less than perfect.

 Presentation having limited PowerPoint features, and a few others that
 the article mentions.
 
The only significant missing feature was the use of free-motion paths
which was addressed in a previous version of OpenOffice and is now
available. It is true that some of the effects and transitions are not
available, as the article notes, but also as it notes wherever
possible these degrade gracefully to the best available common form.

 Hope that this reading of the article brings many fruits to
 LibreOffice, perhaps in 3.3.1 or the next release and Update.

The other significant points the article raises are the lack of full
compatibility for macros and programming languages and the lack of a
connector to Microsoft Sharepoint.

While both are true, I can only point out macros are conversions from
Microsoft macros, not implementations of Microsoft coding languages
and programming of course also does not implement Microsoft coding
languages. Similarly there are no links to Microsft Sharepoint and for
the same reasons.

Remember that LibO is provided as Open Source Software and operates on
systems with very different OSs, not just Windows. We cannot commit to
Windows-only versions or to providing proprietary code owned by
Microsoft. Simply put, these issues are outside our control.

 Joe Rotello
 WindowGroup / Knoxville, TN / USA
 

-- 
Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org
Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/
*** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***



Re: [tdf-discuss] REVIEW ARTICLE: VITAL reading for LibreOffice developers, users, supporters

2011-02-17 Thread KAMI911 KAMI911
The OOo Extensin site offers sharepoint connector for OOo but it is not free.

2011/2/18, Mark Preston m...@mpreston.demon.co.uk:
 Thanks for getting in touch, Joe, and I'll try to answer where I can.

 On 16/02/2011 16:45, Joe Rotello wrote:
 Almost VITAL reading for LibreOffice developers, users, and supporters:

 [snip]

 The reasoning is that these weakness areas MUST be addressed and SOON,
 ...[snip]

 These include compatibility with MS Office XML and 2010 files,

 As has been mentioned here before, LibO will both read and write MS
 Office OOXML files. The matter of changing specifications for those
 files by Microsoft in the future is under their control and all we can
 do is catch up later since the openness of their file structure
 details is less than perfect.

 Presentation having limited PowerPoint features, and a few others that
 the article mentions.

 The only significant missing feature was the use of free-motion paths
 which was addressed in a previous version of OpenOffice and is now
 available. It is true that some of the effects and transitions are not
 available, as the article notes, but also as it notes wherever
 possible these degrade gracefully to the best available common form.

 Hope that this reading of the article brings many fruits to
 LibreOffice, perhaps in 3.3.1 or the next release and Update.

 The other significant points the article raises are the lack of full
 compatibility for macros and programming languages and the lack of a
 connector to Microsoft Sharepoint.

 While both are true, I can only point out macros are conversions from
 Microsoft macros, not implementations of Microsoft coding languages
 and programming of course also does not implement Microsoft coding
 languages. Similarly there are no links to Microsft Sharepoint and for
 the same reasons.

 Remember that LibO is provided as Open Source Software and operates on
 systems with very different OSs, not just Windows. We cannot commit to
 Windows-only versions or to providing proprietary code owned by
 Microsoft. Simply put, these issues are outside our control.

 Joe Rotello
 WindowGroup / Knoxville, TN / USA


 --
 Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org
 Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/
 *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***



-- 
Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org
Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/
*** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***


Re: [tdf-discuss] REVIEW ARTICLE: VITAL reading for LibreOffice developers, users, supporters

2011-02-17 Thread KAMI911 KAMI911
The OOo Extensin site offers sharepoint connector for OOo but it is not free.

2011/2/18, Mark Preston m...@mpreston.demon.co.uk:
 Thanks for getting in touch, Joe, and I'll try to answer where I can.

 On 16/02/2011 16:45, Joe Rotello wrote:
 Almost VITAL reading for LibreOffice developers, users, and supporters:

 [snip]

 The reasoning is that these weakness areas MUST be addressed and SOON,
 ...[snip]

 These include compatibility with MS Office XML and 2010 files,

 As has been mentioned here before, LibO will both read and write MS
 Office OOXML files. The matter of changing specifications for those
 files by Microsoft in the future is under their control and all we can
 do is catch up later since the openness of their file structure
 details is less than perfect.

 Presentation having limited PowerPoint features, and a few others that
 the article mentions.

 The only significant missing feature was the use of free-motion paths
 which was addressed in a previous version of OpenOffice and is now
 available. It is true that some of the effects and transitions are not
 available, as the article notes, but also as it notes wherever
 possible these degrade gracefully to the best available common form.

 Hope that this reading of the article brings many fruits to
 LibreOffice, perhaps in 3.3.1 or the next release and Update.

 The other significant points the article raises are the lack of full
 compatibility for macros and programming languages and the lack of a
 connector to Microsoft Sharepoint.

 While both are true, I can only point out macros are conversions from
 Microsoft macros, not implementations of Microsoft coding languages
 and programming of course also does not implement Microsoft coding
 languages. Similarly there are no links to Microsft Sharepoint and for
 the same reasons.

 Remember that LibO is provided as Open Source Software and operates on
 systems with very different OSs, not just Windows. We cannot commit to
 Windows-only versions or to providing proprietary code owned by
 Microsoft. Simply put, these issues are outside our control.

 Joe Rotello
 WindowGroup / Knoxville, TN / USA


 --
 Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org
 Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/
 *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***



-- 
Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org
Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/
*** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***


[tdf-discuss] REVIEW ARTICLE: VITAL reading for LibreOffice developers, users, supporters

2011-02-16 Thread Joe Rotello

Almost VITAL reading for LibreOffice developers, users, and supporters:

http://www.infoworld.com/d/applications/open-office-dilemma-openofficeorg-vs-libreoffice-716?page=0,0source=IFWNLE_nlt_daily_2011-02-16

PLEASE... might recommended that one pay particular attention to what 
is/are found as weaknesses in BOTH OpenOffice and LibreOffice.


The reasoning is that these weakness areas MUST be addressed and SOON, 
as the weakness seen will almost assuredly turn off many potential 
users and LibreOffice adopters, even those the same basic weakness 
described also afflict OpenOffice as well.


These include compatibility with MS Office XML and 2010 files, 
Presentation having limited PowerPoint features, and a few others that 
the article mentions.


Hope that this reading of the article brings many fruits to LibreOffice, 
perhaps in 3.3.1 or the next release and Update.


Joe Rotello
WindowGroup / Knoxville, TN / USA

--
Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org
Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/
*** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***



Re: [tdf-discuss] REVIEW ARTICLE: VITAL reading for LibreOffice developers, users, supporters

2011-02-16 Thread Kürti László
John,

I'm not with you with this interpretation of the compatibility issues

 These include compatibility with MS Office XML and 2010 files, 
 Presentation having limited PowerPoint features, and a few others that 
 the article mentions.

the problem is keeping the standards or not.
this is a mission impossible being compatible with closed MS formats, as you 
might know well MS doesn't even keep it's own standard bought from ISO

In this point, I suggest we have to show some toughness and we should show up a 
bit about MS indolent if not malicious behavior.

Laszlo

-- 
Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org
Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/
*** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***


-- 
Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org
Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/
*** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***