RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

2011-05-20 Thread Pieter E. Zanstra
Please make a new topic, don't spoil this thread -Original Message- From: NoOp [mailto:gl...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 1:42 AM To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: [tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried? On 05/19/2011 11:03 AM, Andras Timar wrote

[tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

2011-05-19 Thread plino
Hi Tor Please no. We who have had to look at that codebase and even fix some problems in it are glad that it is abandoned. It is a huge unmaintainable pile of XSLT, and then some silly C# code around that. (snip) Furthermore, this allegedly Open Source project (hosted on soureforge)

[tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

2011-05-19 Thread NoOp
On 05/19/2011 10:23 AM, plino wrote: Hi Tor Please no. We who have had to look at that codebase and even fix some problems in it are glad that it is abandoned. It is a huge unmaintainable pile of XSLT, and then some silly C# code around that. (snip) Furthermore, this allegedly

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

2011-05-19 Thread Andras Timar
2011/5/19 plino pedl...@gmail.com: Then I think it's time to create a proper C/C++ ODF importer for Word. If this worked properly then this would be a further step in promoting ODF as a de facto open format alternative. ODF support is present in MS Office 2007 SP2 and MS Office 2010 (it even

[tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

2011-05-19 Thread plino
ODF support is present in MS Office 2007 SP2 and MS Office 2010 (it even can be selected as default file format) so what would be your target? MS Office 2003 and older? It does not look reasonable to me, because by the time we develop something useable, only a minority of users will use

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

2011-05-19 Thread Jaime R. Garza
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 20:22, plino pedl...@gmail.com wrote: ODF support is present in MS Office 2007 SP2 and MS Office 2010 (it even can be selected as default file format) so what would be your target? MS Office 2003 and older? It does not look reasonable to me, because by the time

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

2011-05-19 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 10:51 -0700, NoOp wrote: Given that Oracle has tossed OOo back over the fence, I wonder if that also includes the Sun ODF Plugin... the one they first offered for free, and then changed to a purchase. If so, then that might be worth salvaging. The free version of the Sun

[tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

2011-05-19 Thread NoOp
On 05/19/2011 11:03 AM, Andras Timar wrote: 2011/5/19 plino pedl...@gmail.com: Then I think it's time to create a proper C/C++ ODF importer for Word. If this worked properly then this would be a further step in promoting ODF as a de facto open format alternative. ODF support is present in

[tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

2011-05-19 Thread plino
There are *millions* of users that are still using WinXP and older versions of MS Office (think schools, libraries, individuals, small companies, government offices, etc). Granted the ideal situation would be to have all of them install LO, but we know: 1) that just isn't going to happen, 2)

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

2011-05-18 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com On 5/17/11 4:17 PM, BRM wrote: Personally I hope Oracle doesn't drop the ball on it and that OpenOffice proper can become a true community lead project as I haven't yet seen anything from the leadership of TDF

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

2011-05-18 Thread Thorsten Behrens
BRM wrote: In some cases, the community decision was aligned with the members, but they stilled didn't take to the decision through the community but through what they wanted so it the decision seemed more forced on the community than decided by the community even in those cases Hi Ben,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

2011-05-18 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org To: BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 5:34:38 AM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried? BRM wrote: In some cases, the community decision

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

2011-05-18 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Ben, This discussion is a bit, as we say in Dutch ouwe koeien uit de sloot halen :-) (hmm, old stuff that maybe you shouldn't care about any longer) I have seen moments too in the first months of TDF that did not feel so good. However ... BRM wrote (18-05-11 11:53): While I was

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

2011-05-18 Thread Olivier Hallot
Hi Em 18-05-2011 07:05, Cor Nouws escreveu: Hi Ben, (snip) .. in this community there is no single person or party pushing decisions. All that participate have a saying. But of course, most in areas where your participation is relevant. And sure, still some processes are not perfect. But

[tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

2011-05-18 Thread plino
Hi Kurti And not IAccessible2 is the only useful application which future is uncertain. There are many other tools (migration wizard, document analyzer, share-point connector, ODF modul for MSO) which were not open source licensed but were mainly free to use and helped a lot integrating OO.o

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

2011-05-18 Thread Mark Preston
May I just take the time to agree 100% that this old stuff is, or should be, dead and buried so we can move on. Remember, we are not alone in forking from Oracle this way - for instance the Drizzle database (by ex-MSQL developers) is now rated best non-proprietary database option and this month

[tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

2011-05-17 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 17/05/11 12:49, plino a écrit : Hi plino, What do they mean by handing it back? Are they giving up on the OpenOffice brand? Can someone from TDF shed some light? Nobody seems to know, or if they do, they are keeping wraps on it. The people still around on the openoffice.org lists are

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

2011-05-17 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com Le 17/05/11 12:49, plino a écrit : What do they mean by handing it back? Are they giving up on the OpenOffice brand? Can someone from TDF shed some light? Nobody seems to know, or if they do, they are

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

2011-05-17 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 5/17/11 4:17 PM, BRM wrote: Personally I hope Oracle doesn't drop the ball on it and that OpenOffice proper can become a true community lead project as I haven't yet seen anything from the leadership of TDF to give me confidence they are not doing the same thing they blamed Oracle for, just

[tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

2011-05-17 Thread plino
@Italo, since you are indeed a member of the SC, can you share with the community more information about the original topic, please? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/OpenOffice-dead-and-burried-tp2951991p2952858.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive

[tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

2011-05-17 Thread e-letter
Keeping OO separate from LO is a good thing overall; more actors in the open source office software sector gives healthy competition (like Opera and Firefox for web browsers), innovation and shows m$ users the benefits of using a non-proprietary document format. -- Unsubscribe instructions:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

2011-05-17 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 05/17/2011 05:17 PM, plino wrote: @Italo, since you are indeed a member of the SC, can you share with the community more information about the original topic, please? Apart from reiterating that we see one community going forward, as we always did (when we originally invited Oracle to